Climate Change? What Climate Change?

[Loulit01]

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Utah's Great Salt Lake Expected to Hit Record Low Levels Again This Year (PHOTOS) | The Weather Channel

Great Salt Lake has dropped 11 feet since it was first measured in the 1800s. This year, it is expected to drop another 2 feet. - Articles from The Weather Channel | weather.com

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More human remains found at drought-stricken Lake Mead

The grim discovery comes a week after the body of a homicide victim was discovered in a barrel at the Nevada lake

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No exaggeration: Record lows at Lake Powell and Lake Mead call for drastic action

Lake Powell's elevation requires immediate protective actions. Everyone will be asked to conserve to delay or reduce further mandatory reductions.

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Louisiana farmers can apply for drought loans

Louisiana farmers can apply for drought loans

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Massive New Mexico wildfire continues to spread rapidly, force evacuations

Evacuations are underway in northern New Mexico and many other communities have been told to be ready to flee at a moment's notice as a massive wildfire continues to spread thanks to hot, dry and windy conditions across the Southwest. The Calf Canyon and Hermits Peak fires are currently torching...

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New Mexico wildfires captured in NASA satellite image

A satellite image released by NASA's Earth Observatory captured an aerial view of New Mexico's raging wildfires. The fires have been driven by windy and dry conditions, scorching grass, brush and tinder.

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Graphic: Dramatic glacier melt – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Now you see it, now you don't - Climate 365 graphic

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2022/05/08/texas-record-heat-midwest/?utm_campaign=wp_the7&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_the7&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F36cb263%2F6278f4a9956121755a6eb6da%2F618bca6eae7e8a6798b26778%2F14%2F40%2F6278f4a9956121755a6eb6da

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[Nomad4Ever]

 

[Napoleon]

Just so we’re clear on what we’re supposed to be talking about in this thread - we’re talking about man-made reservoirs that were built so people could plant non-deciduous faunas that are gluttons for water in the middle of a natural desert. And the expectation is what? That we shed tears and run around with our hair on fire over the disappearance of something that never would have existed naturally in the first place?

Zooming in on the wasting away of artificial environments as though it’s reflective of the severity of what climate change would do to natural environments isn’t a very honest way of looking at the issue.

 

[PoS]

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Utah's Great Salt Lake Expected to Hit Record Low Levels Again This Year (PHOTOS) | The Weather Channel

Great Salt Lake has dropped 11 feet since it was first measured in the 1800s. This year, it is expected to drop another 2 feet. - Articles from The Weather Channel | weather.com

weather.com

More human remains found at drought-stricken Lake Mead

The grim discovery comes a week after the body of a homicide victim was discovered in a barrel at the Nevada lake

news.yahoo.com

No exaggeration: Record lows at Lake Powell and Lake Mead call for drastic action

Lake Powell's elevation requires immediate protective actions. Everyone will be asked to conserve to delay or reduce further mandatory reductions.

news.yahoo.com

Louisiana farmers can apply for drought loans

Louisiana farmers can apply for drought loans

news.yahoo.com

Massive New Mexico wildfire continues to spread rapidly, force evacuations

Evacuations are underway in northern New Mexico and many other communities have been told to be ready to flee at a moment's notice as a massive wildfire continues to spread thanks to hot, dry and windy conditions across the Southwest. The Calf Canyon and Hermits Peak fires are currently torching...

news.yahoo.com

New Mexico wildfires captured in NASA satellite image

A satellite image released by NASA's Earth Observatory captured an aerial view of New Mexico's raging wildfires. The fires have been driven by windy and dry conditions, scorching grass, brush and tinder.

news.yahoo.com

Graphic: Dramatic glacier melt – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Now you see it, now you don't - Climate 365 graphic

climate.nasa.gov

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2022/05/08/texas-record-heat-midwest/?utm_campaign=wp_the7&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_the7&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F36cb263%2F6278f4a9956121755a6eb6da%2F618bca6eae7e8a6798b26778%2F14%2F40%2F6278f4a9956121755a6eb6da

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So wildfires didnt happen, glaciers never melted, and lakes never dried up until humans began using fossil fuels?

 

[Steve Case]

National Fire News | National Interagency Fire Center

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Utah's Great Salt Lake Expected to Hit Record Low Levels Again This Year (PHOTOS) | The Weather Channel

Great Salt Lake has dropped 11 feet since it was first measured in the 1800s. This year, it is expected to drop another 2 feet. - Articles from The Weather Channel | weather.com

weather.com

More human remains found at drought-stricken Lake Mead

The grim discovery comes a week after the body of a homicide victim was discovered in a barrel at the Nevada lake

news.yahoo.com

No exaggeration: Record lows at Lake Powell and Lake Mead call for drastic action

Lake Powell's elevation requires immediate protective actions. Everyone will be asked to conserve to delay or reduce further mandatory reductions.

news.yahoo.com

Louisiana farmers can apply for drought loans

Louisiana farmers can apply for drought loans

news.yahoo.com

Massive New Mexico wildfire continues to spread rapidly, force evacuations

Evacuations are underway in northern New Mexico and many other communities have been told to be ready to flee at a moment's notice as a massive wildfire continues to spread thanks to hot, dry and windy conditions across the Southwest. The Calf Canyon and Hermits Peak fires are currently torching...

news.yahoo.com

New Mexico wildfires captured in NASA satellite image

A satellite image released by NASA's Earth Observatory captured an aerial view of New Mexico's raging wildfires. The fires have been driven by windy and dry conditions, scorching grass, brush and tinder.

news.yahoo.com

Graphic: Dramatic glacier melt – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Now you see it, now you don't - Climate 365 graphic

climate.nasa.gov

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2022/05/08/texas-record-heat-midwest/?utm_campaign=wp_the7&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_the7&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F36cb263%2F6278f4a9956121755a6eb6da%2F618bca6eae7e8a6798b26778%2F14%2F40%2F6278f4a9956121755a6eb6da

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[ataraxia]

So wildfires didnt happen, glaciers never melted, and lakes never dried up until humans began using fossil fuels?

Sure. Home fires also happened before electricity. But I would still make sure you kept your house circuits up to code.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Yep.

I said in another thread someplace that our driest period of time was centered about 1,000 years ago. You should give that a proper link though.

 

[EdwinWillers]

The drought in the west is indeed serious. There's no question about that.

But caused by "climate change" or "global warming?" No.

Is it "anthropogenic?" Well, I think so, and in large part perhaps, but not in the sense the climate activists do. We've been using water irresponsibly for literally decades now. Most of our major aquifers are running dry - not because of the draught, but because of irresponsible over use of water. And then there's population growth - which has literally exploded in the southwest in the last century that's only compounding the problem.

Do you know the mighty Colorado River, that once used to flow into the Gulf of California no longer does? It doesn't even reach the gulf. It's been tapped so many times and by so many people there's just not enough water to supply everyone's needs and wants.

Catastrophic droughts have occurred since recorded history, and while we don't yet know the extent of this one, we're not even close to some of the worst ones ever experienced.

Moreover, catastrophic misuse of the land and resources has also been a part of human history - and largely why many civilizations that once existed no longer do - they exhausted their natural resources.

And they didn't even know about SUVs.

We live on a hostile planet. This isn't the garden of Eden. And humans, as a group, aren't the sharpest of beings either.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Here's another:



I guess we were causing climate change from 900 to 1300 AD also!

https://www.academia.edu/download/73805005/Long-Term_Aridity_Changes_in_the_Western20211029-5356-bq7shj.pdf

 

[EdwinWillers]

Here's another:

View attachment 67389760

I guess we were causing climate change from 900 to 1300 AD also!

https://www.academia.edu/download/73805005/Long-Term_Aridity_Changes_in_the_Western20211029-5356-bq7shj.pdf

Those were good years for SUVs though.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Those were good years for SUVs though.

Absolutely. Coal fired power plants as well.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Consider this:

Conclusions​

​

The relationship between the occurrence of drought and global warming is, at best, weak. Nonetheless, in some places, such as North America, severe droughts occurred during the Medieval Warm Period. Given the absence of similar droughts during the warming in the late twentieth century, two conclusions follow. First, the Medieval Warm Period must have been more extreme in terms of both high temperature and its duration than anything experienced recently. Second, the occurrence of such extra warming is strong evidence that warmings greater than the recent one can occur without any help from rising atmospheric CO2 concentrations, which were more than 100 ppm less during the Medieval Warm Period than they are today. This research thus suggests both recent warming and drought are the result of something other than anthropogenic CO2 emissions.​

page 760-761 of https://www.researchgate.net/profil...0/Observations-The-Hydrosphere-and-Oceans.pdf

 

[Buzz]

So wildfires didnt happen, glaciers never melted, and lakes never dried up until humans began using fossil fuels?

Nope!! Nobody says this other than climate change denialists who have no clue what the science really says.

 

[Buzz]

Here's another:

View attachment 67389760

I guess we were causing climate change from 900 to 1300 AD also!

https://www.academia.edu/download/73805005/Long-Term_Aridity_Changes_in_the_Western20211029-5356-bq7shj.pdf

From this study:

If the Z-C modeling results hold up, it is plausible that continued warming over the tropical Pacific, whether natural or anthropogenically forced, will promote the development of persistent drought-inducing La NiNa–like conditions. Should this situation occur, especially in tandem with midcontinental drying over North America, the epoch of unprecedented aridity revealed in the DAI reconstruction might truly be a harbinger of things to come in the West.

https://www.researchgate.net/...

Obviously, neither of you two bothered to read this study.

 

[Fabiusbile]

Nope!! Nobody says this other than climate change denialists who have no clue what the science really says.

The lion's share of modern scientists are plumbers in suits, and their scientific research is nothing more than an order from sponsors.
The climate has always changed, it is a natural part of nature.

 

[Buzz]

Consider this:

Conclusions​

​

The relationship between the occurrence of drought and global warming is, at best, weak. Nonetheless, in some places, such as North America, severe droughts occurred during the Medieval Warm Period. Given the absence of similar droughts during the warming in the late twentieth century, two conclusions follow. First, the Medieval Warm Period must have been more extreme in terms of both high temperature and its duration than anything experienced recently. Second, the occurrence of such extra warming is strong evidence that warmings greater than the recent one can occur without any help from rising atmospheric CO2 concentrations, which were more than 100 ppm less during the Medieval Warm Period than they are today. This research thus suggests both recent warming and drought are the result of something other than anthropogenic CO2 emissions.​

page 760-761 of https://www.researchgate.net/profil...0/Observations-The-Hydrosphere-and-Oceans.pdf

From your link:

Publisher: The Heartland Institute

Busted!!... citing climate change denialist propaganda.

Are you proud of yourself??

 

[PoS]

Nope!! Nobody says this other than climate change denialists who have no clue what the science really says.

Thats exactly what is being implied by the OP, so too bad for you.

 

[longview]

From your link:





Busted!!... citing climate change denialist propaganda.

Are you proud of yourself??

Actually the graph was from a real peer reviewed study.
Long-Term Aridity Changes in the Western United States

 

[Buzz]

Thats exactly what is being implied by the OP, so too bad for you.

Where did he imply that? He didn't. You are just making stuff up again. You denialists seem to do that a lot.

 

[Buzz]

Actually the graph was from a real peer reviewed study.
Long-Term Aridity Changes in the Western United States
View attachment 67390307

See post #14.

I'll bet you didn't read it either.

 

[longview]

See post #14.

I'll bet you didn't read it either.

It said what you already quoted,

If the Z-C modeling results hold up, it is plausible that continued warming over the tropical Pacific, whether natural or anthropogenically forced, will promote the development of persistent drought-inducing La NiNa–like conditions. Should this situation occur, especially in tandem with midcontinental drying over North America, the epoch of unprecedented aridity revealed in the DAI reconstruction might truly be a harbinger of things to come in the West.

i.e. it did not single out an AGW as the cause of the recent drought, but showed a re occurring patter,
that could be triggered by AGW.

 

[Lord of Planar]

From this study:


https://www.researchgate.net/...

Obviously, neither of you two bothered to read this study.

IF..... Plausible....

You still don't understand words. Dammit. How many times must I remind you "words have meaning?" You seem to be taking that statement as fact, that we are wrong.

When is the last time you opened up a dictionary?

 

[Lord of Planar]

From your link:





Busted!!... citing climate change denialist propaganda.

Are you proud of yourself??

It's that the "poisoning of the well" fallacy?

You love your logical fallacies, don't you?

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

Having panic attacks over climate change is no different than coming unglued over volcanic activity and earth quakes. Earth is Mr Toads wild ride and we are nothing more than little children screaming in terror at every turn in the track. Well some of us anyway.

 

[EdwinWillers]

IF..... Plausible....

You still don't understand words. Dammit. How many times must I remind you "words have meaning?" You seem to be taking that statement as fact, that we are wrong.

When is the last time you opened up a dictionary?

I suspect he's just being an "irritant" like his subtitle says.

Many have no more knowledge or insight into any of this than your neophyte figure skater toting a hockey stick they know less about than their skates.