Clearing Up The Christian Confusions About Our Doctrine

[Overitall]

Read the OP.


Mind you.........it might just well all by me - unless someone wants to pitch in - no problemo.
I had no problem with ANSWERS TO ATHEIST NONSENSE, have I?

That's similar concept with this.
If I find an issue somewhere, it can get expanded on this thread.

You need to lighten up.

 

[Daisy]

Is a "reputable Christian Bible" one where you agree with it's doctrinal presentation?

So, tell me, OIA...what is your go to Bible? You know, the one where you determined for yourself that the trinity doctrine is false?

 

[Overitall]

So, tell me, OIA...what is your go to Bible? You know, the one where you determined for yourself that the trinity doctrine is false?

I'm a KJV fan. In studying I use other versions to compare it to. I like the fact that it uses italics to highlight that words were not part of the texts from which it was translated. I recognize that even the KJV is influenced by religious men who have an agenda to make the texts agree with their theology .

 

[Daisy]

I'm a KJV fan. In studying I use other versions to compare it to. I like the fact that it uses italics to highlight that words were not part of the texts from which it was translated. I recognize that even the KJV is influenced by religious men who have an agenda to make the texts agree with their theology .

Yep, that's why it pays to compare translations, not to rely solely on one and no other....

 

[Overitall]

Yep, that's why it pays to compare translations, not to rely solely on one and no other....

Ultimately, no translation carries the authority of being declared The Word of God (2 Timothy 3:16 inspiration of/from God) due to attempts by translators to insert their theology into the mix. A simple comma can make all the difference between truth and false doctrine.

Btw, I discovered from the KJV that the Trinity was a lie.

 

[Daisy]

Ultimately, no translation carries the authority of being declared The Word of God (2 Timothy 3:16 inspiration of/from God) due to attempts by translators to insert their theology into the mix. A simple comma can make all the difference between truth and false doctrine.

Btw, I discovered from the KJV that the Trinity was a lie.

I have found that the biggest reason the NWT is hated so is because it does not support the trinity doctrine nor the hellfire doctrine...the NWT refers to Jesus a god/lower case g and it uses the original Hebrew and Greek words Sheol/Hades/Gehenna/Tartarus, where the KJV replaces those 4 words with hell...that's it, otherwise it is simply a modern English translation that easier to understand than the KJV...oh, and the NWT uses God's name, Jehovah, instead of God or LORD.... where the tetragrammaton/יהוה is removed from other translations...

 

[Overitall]

I have found that the biggest reason the NWT is hated so is because it does not support the trinity doctrine nor the hellfire doctrine...the NWT refers to Jesus a god/lower case g and it uses the original Hebrew and Greek words Sheol/Hades/Gehenna/Tartarus, where the KJV replaces those 4 words with hell...that's it, otherwise it is simply a modern English translation that easier to understand than the KJV...oh, and the NWT uses God's name, Jehovah, instead of God or LORD.... where the tetragrammaton/יהוה is removed from other translations...

I’m of the opinion that whatever version builds a relationship with God is the one you should go with. We aren’t supposed to worship the Bible; we are to worship God.

 

[Daisy]

I’m of the opinion that whatever version builds a relationship with God is the one you should go with. We aren’t supposed to worship the Bible; we are to worship God.

Absolutely...it leads us to God and God's Word is truth...

 

[Overitall]

Absolutely...it leads us to God and God's Word is truth...

Indeed! However some truths, gleaned from the Bible, don’t need much explanation from a theologian (which the OP must think she is) to lead one to God. Some truths are so easy to follow. John 3:16 being one simple example.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.“

Who would need a theologian to explain this verse? Who would be confused with it?

 

[Daisy]

Indeed! However some truths, gleaned from the Bible, don’t need much explanation from a theologian (which the OP must think she is) to lead one to God. Some truths are so easy to follow. John 3:16 being one simple example.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.“

Who would need a theologian to explain this verse? Who would be confused with it?

The basics most people get but for the more complex...

 

[Overitall]

The basics most people get but for the more complex...

Absolutely! God has opened my eyes to certain scriptures over the years. Usually when I’m faced with a difficult verse I’ll put it on the back burner and wait patiently for God to show its meaning to me. I’m not sure why many christians dont believe that God can speak directly to them, but rather only through the voices of theologians/instructors. Sometimes I find what I’m looking for in an entirely different verse found elsewhere.

 

[tosca1]

You may wanna research your trinity doctrine a little bit better then...it's not in the Bible...

Just to address this............................................. to clear things up about this thread:


The OP says:
It is a place that's meant to provide deeper explanations about specific incidental doctrinal issues brought up in other threads, thereby other threads will not be derailed.




There are threads that are already devoted to The Trinity.

The Trinity has been thoroughly discussed, debated and explained in one,

[W: #795] [W: #1002] The Trinity

First, I’ll give the Orthodox definition of the Trinity. If anyone wants to share how they define it go for it. The doctrine of the trinity states that the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God and together, not exclusively, they form one God. The trinity is co eternal, without...

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and The Trinity is shown to be BIBLICALLY SOUND, in another.
The biblical evidences for it are still being added.

[W:105] GOD HIMSELF will be with them

I've been quoting verses this past couple of days – verses that show Jesus is God Himself, incarnated, to dwell among the people and to save mankind. I thought I'd exhausted everything...... until this morning. I'm on the Book of Revelation these days, and I just finished reading Chapter 21...

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There is no confusion about the Trinity.

 

[tosca1]

You need to lighten up.

What makes you think I'm not?

The explanations given on the first issue is nothing but just what this thread is supposed to be for.
It's people who seem to take umbrage about this thread that needs to.....................lighten up.



Lol - what is this?
A demonic attempt to save and keep the confusion going...................and an attempt to shut out the Truth?

No need to get panty hoses tied in knots, folks! JUST KIDDING...............




This thread has been posted in THEOLOGY for a reason.

So far, I've tolerated some posts that are not supposed to be on this thread.
What more do you want?

 

[Slartibartfast]

Having a thread about specific doctrine is good I think, but lets not all lose the principal that we are supposed to be as children and not always get too caught up in various formalities or interpretations (as long as we get the basics right).

In other words, it is better to pray and study about these things, while listening to that small voice.

 

[tosca1]

I’m of the opinion that whatever version builds a relationship with God is the one you should go with.

AT LAST! Another issue!


That's your opinion.

That sounds like, "there are many paths to God."
Although in your case, you're saying............................................. "there are many different bibles to God."



In a nutshell, it's another version of........................."Whatever works for you, baby."


My answer to that:

We aren’t supposed to worship the Bible; we are to worship God.

Jesus won't agree with you.
This is how He answered the devil in the wilderness.



Matthew 4:4
But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”







How do you define worship of the Bible?

Would religiously reading the Bible every day, a form of worshipping the Book given to us by God?
Whenever we insist to uphold the WORD OF GOD (as we are supposed to do), would that be worship?



Or.........................................is that just another confusing thought............................... that tries to justify in not taking the WORDS OF GOD to heart?





Just a few verse about the importance of the Bible.


2 Tim 3:16-17
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

Psalm 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.


Romans 10:17
So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.





I'm confused.
What are you saying here?
We shouldn't take the Bible in utmost seriousness?

Is that what you meant by............................"lighten up?"
Take it lightly?

 

[Overitall]

AT LAST! Another issue!


That's your opinion.

That sounds like, "there are many paths to God."
Although in your case, you're saying............................................. "there are many different bibles to God."



In a nutshell, it's another version of........................."Whatever works for you, baby."


My answer to that:

Jesus won't agree with you.
This is how He answered the devil in the wilderness.



Matthew 4:4
But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”







How do you define worship of the Bible?

Would religiously reading the Bible every day, a form of worshipping the Book given to us by God?
Whenever we insist to uphold the WORD OF GOD (as we are supposed to do), would that be worship?



Or.........................................is that just another confusing thought............................... that tries to justify in not taking the WORDS OF GOD to heart?





Just a few verse about the importance of the Bible.


2 Tim 3:16-17
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

Psalm 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.


Romans 10:17
So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.





I'm confused.
What are you saying here?
We shouldn't take the Bible in utmost seriousness?

Is that what you meant by............................"lighten up?"
Take it lightly?

The Bible is part of God’s creation in the physical world. Given that versions differ with each other they aren’t perfect. God is perfect. Bibles are not. Thus if you elevate any one of them over another you are worshipping the creation, not the Creator.

Sure, we are to live by every word from God, but none of the various versions can be declared “the Word of God”. That declaration is only true of the words that were originally given to “men of God”. We have only portions of “the Words of God”. Thus, if a particular version builds a relationship between God and a person, how can you judge that relationship null and void based upon the use of a version you decide isn’t good enough?

 

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[tosca1]

The Bible is part of God’s creation in the physical world. Given that versions differ with each other they aren’t perfect. God is perfect. Bibles are not. Thus if you elevate any one of them over another you are worshipping the creation, not the Creator.

Sure, we are to live by every word from God, but none of the various versions can be declared “the Word of God”. That declaration is only true of the words that were originally given to “men of God”. We have only portions of “the Words of God”. Thus, if a particular version builds a relationship between God and a person, how can you judge that relationship null and void based upon the use of a version you decide isn’t good enough?

That's why you say it's okay to go by any other kinds of bibles!
You're saying.......it's okay to follow any teachings!
As long as it works for YOU (SELF).............that's okay!
It's YOU, that counts. What YOU think works for YOU.

In other words.................this is freakin' about..............................YOURSELF.


S E L F.










Matthew 4:4
But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”



You're now correcting JESUS!
You're saying............Jesus got that wrong!



The Bible wasn't given to us for nothing.
It is our REFERENCE Book.



Lol - even Jesus used the Scriptures for Reference!
What do you think He meant....................................... it is written?
Written where? Twitter?




You started with making it like, taking the Bible seriously is, "Bible-worship."
Now - you end up butting heads with Jesus.


See where that has led you?
How Christians can easily be misled down the slippery slopes?


Once you deviate from the Scriptures - you'll go down the slippery slope faster than a bullet train.

 

[Overitall]

Hahahahaha right.

That's why you say it's okay to go by any other kinds of bibles !







Matthew 4:4
But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”



You're now correcting JESUS!
You're saying............Jesus got that wrong!



You started with making it like taking the Bible seriously, is "Bible-worship."

See where Christians can easily be misled down the slippery slopes?

Do you believe all bibles are the same in declaring them “the words of God”? A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

 

[tosca1]

Do you believe all bibles are the same in declaring them “the words of God”? A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

Never mind trying to switch the tables around.


Post #65!

You're the one who declared that!



What are you trying to do now?
Throw the Bible under the bus?

Is the Bible reliable? | GotQuestions.org

Is the Bible reliable? Is the Bible trustworthy? Can I truly rely on what the Bible says?

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[Overitall]

Never mind trying to switch the tables around.


Post #65!

You're the one who declared that!

It’s a simple question. Your refusal to answer it amounts to a “no” answer. The follow up question, therefore, is:

What version(s) are not the true word of God; and why aren’t they?

 

[tosca1]

It’s a simple question. Your refusal to answer it amounts to a “no” answer. The follow up question, therefore, is:

What version(s) are not the true word of God; and why aren’t they?

Deut 12:32
See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.


Rev 22:18-19
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.



A version that has removed and/or added to the Scriptures!





In your case, whatever it is you claim to use, which is "working" for you.

Lol - you don't wonder why you don't win with your arguments?



Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.



1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God,
for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

 

[Overitall]

A version that has removed and/or added to the Scriptures!

Name one version that doesn’t do that.

ETA: I see you modified your post. I'll ignore the rest of it to focus only on this line of discussion. Please focus on it.

 

[tosca1]

Name one version that doesn’t do that.

NASB.


When we say "remove or add"...............................it means removing something or adding something that changes the message being given in the Bible.
GOD doesn't want His message to be changed.


The JW's New World Translation comes to mind. Their motive was clearly to not give any hint of The TRINITY.
They've changed the term God's spirit into God's active force (which changed the dynamics of the message of God because it doesn't fit in other verses throughout the Bible).

They've also changed John 1:1............and made The Word into "a god," instead of GOD.

 

[Overitall]

NASB.


When we say "remove or add"...............................it means removing something or adding something that changes the message being given in the Bible.
GOD doesn't want His message to be changed.


The JW's New World Translation comes to mind. Their motive was clearly to not give any hint of The TRINITY.
They've changed the term God's spirit into God's active force (which changed the dynamics of the message of God because it doesn't fit in other verses throughout the Bible).

They've also changed John 1:1............and made The Word into "a god," instead of GOD.

Was the NASB handed down by God and completely free from the influence of man's theology? If so, I shouldn't find any errors, right?