Classified documents from Biden's time as VP discovered in private office, source says

[soap box]

By all accounts, Trump was cooperating with the FBI. Don't let that stop you from pretending what Biden did wasn't criminal. We know you can never call out a fellow progressive even when he is caught red-handed.

From now on your nickname is WHOPPER

 

[Hypothetical]

You are mixing two different subquestions.

One question is who put the docs there.

The other question is how should national security/intelligence documents should be reformed.

I'm not aware of anyone saying we don't need classification standards reformed. We agree there. That is a long term matter that potentially could avoid this.

In the meantime, short term, that future reform doesn't answer any questions today.

So I'm saying you presented a false dilemma, but I don't think you meant to

My question for you is how could settle on just two possibilities? No other explanation could possibly be true?

no, no I'm not. the intelligence community is not that stupid. He should not have had those documents out of archival purview for that long, its that simple.

someone hid those damn documents or they were copied for a reason. During the cold war the first thing that would have come to mind would have been espionage. Unless we have MIGHTILY regressed, there have to still be rules in place for handling those kinds of documents securely and putting them in a former VP/ now civilians closet for 7 years is not it.

 

[soap box]

LOL your boy had them six years SIX FREAKING YEARS

And now there are more. Too funny. What going to be the excuse when the FB fails to raid his various homes?

No excuse, just facts. Biden is cooperating. That's different.

 

[Rawley]

But you saying that means he intentionally did that. How are you sure Biden knew they were there?

SOmeone else stole them and planted them in Biden's offices? LOL Stop it, you're killing me.

 

[Hypothetical]

No excuse, just facts. Biden is cooperating. That's different.

once they are caught , serial killers sometimes cooperate also, helping investigators find other bodies... they still receive the death penalty a lot of the time (meaning they are still guilty of a crime ) .

 

[Rawley]

No excuse, just facts. Biden is cooperating. That's different.

The time for cooperation was six years ago. SIX FREAKING YEARS

 

[Cordelier]

The time for cooperation was six years ago. SIX FREAKING YEARS

So how come we're only finding out about them now? Why not during the Trump Administration?

 

[Athanasius68]

But you saying that means he intentionally did that. How are you sure Biden knew they were there?

They didn't walk there.

Mr. Biden wrote a book after he left the VP office. Think maybe he used these documents as sources to perhaps to jog his memory?

 

[Nickyjo]

LOL your boy had them six years SIX FREAKING YEARS

And now there are more. Too funny. What going to be the excuse when the FB fails to raid his various homes?

Did he know he had this stuff? Did he lie about retuning it? Did he ignore a subpoena to produce it?

But it if that’s all you got, run with it.

 

[Cardinal]

are you guys getting paid tonight to make jokes or something about entirely obvious circumstances?

You’re not entitled to everybody agreeing with you. You have to support your claims.

 

[Cordelier]

They didn't walk there.

Mr. Biden wrote a book after he left the VP office. Think maybe he used these documents as sources to perhaps to jog his memory?

Or maybe they were planted by Giuliani & Co.?? He was willing to turn over the Ukraine in search of a non-existent server, so why stop at planting top secret documents?

 

[soap box]

no, no I'm not. the intelligence community is not that stupid. He should not have had those documents out of archival purview for that long, its that simple.

someone hid those damn documents or they were copied for a reason. During the cold war the first thing that would have come to mind would have been espionage. Unless we have MIGHTILY regressed, there have to still be rules in place for handling those kinds of documents securely and putting them in a former VP/ now civilians closet for 7 years is not it.

meh sure you're not.

Where did you see that someone ' hid' the documents? How are you certain? You can imagine those scenarios but you can't imagine any other?

 

[soap box]

SOmeone else stole them and planted them in Biden's offices? LOL Stop it, you're killing me.

Yeah , there's a name for playing tricks on posters, but go right ahead.

 

[Rawley]

Did he know he had this stuff?

LOL going with the "someone else planted then in his offices" excuse? Too funny,

Did he lie about retuning it? Did he ignore a subpoena to produce it?

But it if that’s all you got, run with it.

Bigger question for you to ask is why the archive didn't issue a subpeona six years ago (hint TDS)

 

[Atomic Kid]

how in the hell do TOP SECRET CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS get INADVERTANTLY STORED in closets other than by serious negligence... either this shit is ON PURPOSE OR the intelligence community that protects our Secrets are dumb as sh*t.

the Intelligence community can be seen as a LOT of things, but stupid is not one of them.

You need to calm down. First of all document snafus are not unheard of by a long shot when it comes Administration transitions. It's a very large task. Secondly no one knows just yet what the exact of nature of these documents actually are and whether they are considered to be still relevant. Secondly we have to admit that we have a classification problem, or more accurately put, an over-classification problem. This government classifies a ridiculous amount of information every year. Top secret was a big deal back in say WWII, but it doesn't seem to take nearly at all much nowadays for something to become classified as top secret. So that needs a closer look as well. As does the Intelligence community's and NARA's document tracking practices. But what we have at the moment a lot of speculation rather than facts and the facts I believe will show in this case that this was not on purpose in anyway whatsoever. And sorry to have to burst your bubble, but there have been intelligence failures such the Iranian Revolution, the 2nd Iraq war, the collapse of the Soviet Union, the apparent instability of the Afghan government and it's military post the peace agreement and withdrawal of US troops prior to the Taliban's takeover. One could certainly find cause to accuse them of being dumb in each of those failures if they're looking to blame someone.

 

[soap box]

I wonder how many places we would find documents in Bidens possession if the FBI raided his places.

If you work with them, nobody needs a search. Like Joe did.

 

[Anthony60]

NO Trump admitted he took them there
Have a nice day

Well, he was POTUS, so not a problem. Biden took scif documents as VP.

 

[Hypothetical]

meh sure you're not.

Where did you see that someone ' hid' the documents? How are you certain? You can imagine those scenarios but you can't imagine any other?

geezus everything has to be spelled out right?

By all means, enlighten me to what scenario that is not ludicrous do you see controlled Top Secret government documents being 'misplaced' for years on end in someone's broom closet?

do you see lists of CIA operatives being treated that way? do you see specs on Top secret circuitry or other technology being carelessly strewn about without tha being a problem?

Supposedly, according to what I have read, these are not JUST classified documents, these are labelled TOP SECRET. There is a reason for that.

The classified materials included some top-secret files with the “sensitive compartmented information” designation, also known as SCI, which is used for highly sensitive information obtained from intelligence sources.

in WHAT scenario do you see some of the most guarded national secrets being treated this way and that being ok with just an "aww shucks"?? there are rules in place that have been around for DECADES to control such documents properly and I am telling you straight up THIS BREAKS a LOT of them.

at the height of the cold war this would have been grounds for an ESPIONAGE investigation IMMEDIATELY.

 

[Hypothetical]

You need to calm down. First of all document snafus are not unheard of by a long shot when it comes Administration transitions. It's a very large task. Secondly no one knows just yet what the exact of nature of these documents actually are and whether they are considered to be still relevant. Secondly we have to admit that we have a classification problem, or more accurately put, an over-classification problem. This government classifies a ridiculous amount of information every year. Top secret was a big deal back in say WWII, but it doesn't seem to take nearly at all much nowadays for something to become classified as top secret. So that needs a closer look as well. As does the Intelligence community's and NARA's document tracking practices. But what we have at the moment a lot of speculation rather than facts and the facts I believe will show in this case that this was not on purpose in anyway whatsoever. And sorry to have to burst your bubble, but there have been intelligence failures such the Iranian Revolution, the 2nd Iraq war, the collapse of the Soviet Union, the apparent instability of the Afghan government and it's military post the peace agreement and withdrawal of US troops prior to the Taliban's takeover. One could certainly find cause to accuse them of being stupid in each of those failures if they're looking to blame someone.

LOL as if you all ever "calm down" when you are cussing me left and right about my opinions... sorry, you don;t have the right to tell me what I am going to debate or not, thanks.

yes it could have been a snafu, but it needs to be THOROUGHLY investigated and every possibility explored. even then someone should be in serious trouble with such negligence.

 

[Michael Cole]

As VP, Biden didn't have any power to declassify government documents.

Nobody is claiming the documents were declassified. You must be stuck on Trump. TDS?

 

[Integrityrespec]

So fun to watch the democrats do what they always do and quickly flip their stance of the possession of classified documents. Hillary had 33,000 documents on her private server that were under subpoena, and she destroyed them. Trump had 160 under lock and key and according to him declassified. Joe has 12+ now that the second dump has been revealed, but the only one that matters is Trump. LOL>

 

[Hamish Howl]

Nope!!
Biden got caught dirty....
And caught a 2nd time.
Soon the special prosecutor will be knocking on the White House door.

For years highly classified material left in the wind by Biden.

Keep dreaming.

 

[Hamish Howl]

So fun to watch the democrats do what they always do and quickly flip their stance of the possession of classified documents. Hillary had 33,000 documents on her private server that were under subpoena, and she destroyed them. Trump had 160 under lock and key and according to him declassified. Joe has 12+ now that the second dump has been revealed, but the only one that matters is Trump. LOL>

And?

 

[soap box]

geezus everything has to be spelled out right?

By all means, enlighten me to what scenario that is not ludicrous do you see controlled Top Secret government documents being 'misplaced' for years on end in someone's broom closet?

do you see lists of CIA operatives being treated that way? do you see specs on Top secret circuitry or other technology being carelessly strewn about without tha being a problem?

Supposedly, according to what I have read, these are not JUST classified documents, these are labelled TOP SECRET. There is a reason for that.



in WHAT scenario do you see some of the most guarded national secrets being treated this way and that being ok with just an "aww shucks"?? there are rules in place that have been around for DECADES to control such documents properly and I am telling you straight up THIS BREAKS a LOT of them.

at the height of the cold war this would have been grounds for an ESPIONAGE investigation IMMEDIATELY.

Thanks for answering those other questions.

You're asking what I imagine? In my wild imagination these were atomic secrets first classified in 1952 and the tech in them was so out of date by 1994, they were declassfied so that the info could be available to the space flight industry. Developing countries were establishing nuclear plants and the docs suddenly became useful again. That's how they got to a geopolitical think-tank. Some lazy staffers piled everything into boxes, somebody locked the door. Last November they finally had to clear out, turned on the light for the first time in 6 years, cleared the dust and started finding out what was there. That was fun! Just making sh*t up 'cause you asked

But still, the other questions,
Where did you see that someone 'hid' the documents? How are you certain they were deliberately hidden?

 

[soap box]

LOL going with the "someone else planted then in his offices" excuse? Too funny,



Bigger question for you to ask is why the archive didn't issue a subpeona six years ago (hint TDS)

You didn't answer the questions.