Classified documents from Biden's time as VP discovered in private office, source says

[Napoleon]

Everyone has stuff they forget about unless they live a minimalist existence.

The obvious difference is that the stuff “everyone” forgets about doesn’t have major national security implications.

 

[Galactic Spin]

6 years later.

But no reason to believe he knew he had them for 6 years. And he self reported. Your half truths are getting pretty old.

 

[Napoleon]

ok now I want to know if Hunter Biden or ANY of their business associates EVER went near this place in those 7 years....

To be honest I think it’s strange that Biden kept anything there. It’s an honorary office to go along with his honorary professorship that he’s used maybe 4 times since 2017 ahead of paid speeches. Why was Biden using it as a storage facility for the proceeds of his sticky fingers?

 

[Ambig]

Yet Comey claimed no reasonable prosecutor would pursue the case. No prosecutor would pass up the chance in Trumps case.

Yeah, that's because they are two distinctly different cases. Trump's would be a slam-dunk before an impartial jury. Hillary's wouldn't.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

This may have been mentioned but is it possible Biden declassified these by just thinking about it? If so this is a big nothing burger.

Not when he was VP & a private citizen.

 

[Chomsky]

Something similar with Hilary could of been charged with "Gross Negligence" mishandling of classified material, no intent is needed.

Which statute are you referring to, specifically?

The three in the Mar a Lago Probable Cause Document, even the one with the negligence element, all seem to require intent - from my read.

 

[TomFitz]

Immaterial. When you're dealing with tons of paperwork then stuff gets misplaced from time to time.

A few years back I had a client asking for paperwork he claimed to have given me. I went through everything in the office looking for it and didn't find what he was looking for even though I had several folders associated with him. It wasn't a one time search either and neither my secretary, my assistant or myself came up with the records. Then, three years later, mixed in with some other stuff, the folder we had been looking for showed up. It happens and the fact that it happens DOES NOT prove bad intent.

No, bad intent is proven when you ignore requests to return documents you know you have, or lie about not having them.

Both of which your fuhrer did more than once.

Bad intent is when you ignore a subpoena, as your fuhrer did.

Bad intent comes from playing martyr when you get caught, as your fuhrer always does.

And trump losers bob their bobble heads!

 

[SuperDS77]

But no reason to believe he knew he had them for 6 years.

There is also no reason NOT to believe he knew he had them.

The word of Biden is worth very little. Been a lying, corrupt politician for 50+ years.

 

[Slartibartfast]

The obvious difference is that the stuff “everyone” forgets about doesn’t have major national security implications.

That's why it was turned back in.

 

[SuperDS77]

This may have been mentioned but is it possible Biden declassified these by just thinking about it? If so this is a big nothing burger.

Only the POTUS can do that!

 

[JasperL]

If I steal your dog and my attorney gives it back to you 6 years from now should I be immune from prosecution because alls well that ends well?

If I don't know your dog is living in my house, then when I see him wandering the yard, call you up and say, "hey, found your dog, come get him" on what charge would you prosecute me?

On the other hand, if you leave your dog at my house, call me up and say, "Hey, seen my dog?" and I lie to you and say I looked all over the house and yard, no dog, and LEOs discover that when I declared I couldn't find the dog that he was at that moment eating my leftovers in my kitchen, that's different.

It's clear that INTENT matters. It's also clear that Trump intended to take classified documents, then retain them, and we know that because FBI, NARA, and a grand jury all demanded the return of documents they knew he had, and Trump through his legal hacks lied to all of them, repeatedly.

 

[Galactic Spin]

There is also no reason NOT to believe he knew he had them.

False. He self reported and gave them back immediately. He has not used the office for several years. He had someone else transport and search the office contents with no effort to conceal them.

So that's wrong.

 

[Napoleon]

Which statute are you referring to, specifically?

The three in the Mar a Lago Probable Cause Document, even the one with the negligence element, all seem to require intent - from my read.

One doesn’t accidentally set up a server over the basement toilet. The difference between Hillary and the other cases the DOJ actually prosecuted is that Hillary was grossly negligent with classified information but the involvement of classified information was incidental.

She wasn’t laughing maniacally, twirling her mustache, and saying ‘I’m going to store classified information on the server. Mwahahaha.’ What was stored on the server was indiscriminate - anything and everything sent to her e-mail address. Hence the gross negligence because she should have known better. She could have been charged under the letter of the law for that but she wasn’t.

 

[Peacenik]

Ouu. Big crime.

When will the House Select Committee to investigate this be formed?

2 years later the conclusion: It was an oversight corrected immediately upon discovery.

Your tax dollars at work.

 

[Ambig]

That's kind of the point of all this, isn't it? Trump was accused of "stealing" classified documents and Biden is accused of "forgetting about" classified documents. Such a difference in perception would, to a reasonable person, indicate an intense and unfair bias against Trump.

Well, not if they knew the facts of each case.

 

[Lutherf]

No, bad intent is proven when you ignore requests to return documents you know you have, or lie about not having them.

Both of which your fuhrer did more than once.

Bad intent is when you ignore a subpoena, as your fuhrer did.

Bad intent comes from playing martyr when you get caught, as your fuhrer always does.

And trump losers bob their bobble heads!

"Fuhrer"? Well, as long as you take yourself seriously...

 

[MTAtech]

...

Again its not a big deal in either case. Secret documents rapidly degrade in their value. Any codes would be changed in a new administration. You all forgave Hillary for her utter lapse of security while she was still the Secretary of State. No one had to break in to get to her documents. Yet Comey claimed no reasonable prosecutor would pursue the case. No prosecutor would pass up the chance in Trumps case.

Jeff Sessions admits there is not enough evidence to investigate Hillary Clinton over anything

Republicans wanted the appointment of a second special prosecutor

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Ambig]

LOL! Garland is "looking in to it"? As if he will be fair. You must be outta your mind, son!

I've noticed that Trumpers often assume that everyone else is as corrupt as they are.

 

[Lovebug]

Of course. Why else would either Trump or Biden steal these documents if they didn’t think they could be useful for something in the future?

There is a very important difference.
A the papers were discovered by Biden's attorneys
B

After the discovery, Biden’s lawyers immediately contacted the National Archives and Records Administration, which started looking into the matter, the source said. Biden’s team cooperated with NARA

 

[Chomsky]

Yeah, that's because they are two distinctly different cases. Trump's would be a slam-dunk before an impartial jury. Hillary's wouldn't.

A prosecution against HRC's might indeed be difficult, given that the server was decommissioned in 2013 - which I suspect would be well past the statute of limitations!

 

[Slartibartfast]

A prosecution against HRC's might indeed be difficult, given that the server was decommissioned in 2013 - which I suspect would be well past the statute of limitations!

I heard it was in Germany from Sidney Powel and Mike Flynn.

 

[Paradoxical]

and I posted that the DOJ should look into the issue.
I agree same standards should be applied.

Biden and Trump have some explaining to do.

Biden does because he would have had to have stolen them as he had no right to classified docs. Where is WAPo on this speculating that they contained military secrets?
Oh, Wait. It’s a Democrat

 

[Galactic Spin]

I've noticed that Trumpers often assume that everyone else is as corrupt as they are.

That is precisely what they do.

Everyone thinks of themselves as "normal". Even abnormal cultists. And so they assume others are like them.

Like whe they accused the McMichaels jury of criminally and corruptly convicting the murderers because of "pressure from liberals".

The cultists don't understand that they are just telling the world that they, themselves, would sent innocent people to prison for the rest of their lives out of their own convenience.

 

[holbritter]

Why?

They were discovered on November 2nd, the NARA notified, and the NARA took custody on November 3rd.

The NARA doesn't know what documents an administration has until such time as the administration ends and the documents - as required by law - are turned over to them.

WW

I think they have some kind of system of indexing documents and keeping track.

 

[Lovebug]

On the contrary. These documents have been in Biden’s possession for 6 years so he was obviously keeping the documents for himself for 6 years. He can be prosecuted for mishandling classified information because he wasn’t legally allowed to be in possession of these documents for 6 seconds after his term ended let alone 6 years.

Lol, according to the claims that Biden is completely senile, why would you think he even remembers them? Can't have it both ways.