Classified documents from Biden's time as VP discovered in private office, source says

[snakestretcher]

Aw, feel bad that I insulted the demented simp? Perhaps I should take note from a paragon of intellectualism.

I don't feel bad at all. This forum is for grown-ups.

 

[snakestretcher]

How about just looking like... you know... a regular guy?

And I don't consider Trump a conservative. He has no political ideology.

He has flip-flopped from Democrat to Republican as it suits his purposes at any given time. He has no allegiance to anything but money and his absurdly pompous and delicate ego.

 

[dcsports]

He was subpoenaed to return all classified documents and claimed he complied. It was a lie and that is when the search warrant was obtained and hundreds more classified documents were recovered.

He was subpoenaed to return government records. He was disputing whether they were presidential or personal records - something a president is supposed to have the call on. Obviously, he wasn't in a rush to go through them - just as Biden wasn't in a rush to go through his records.

With the warrant they recovered just over a hundred (not hundreds) of documents with classified markings. They haven't said how many were classified.

 

[snakestretcher]

He was subpoenaed to return government records. He was disputing whether they were presidential or personal records - something a president is supposed to have the call on. Obviously, he wasn't in a rush to go through them - just as Biden wasn't in a rush to go through his records.

With the warrant they recovered just over a hundred (not hundreds) of documents with classified markings. They haven't said how many were classified.

He shouldn't have kept them in the first place. Instead he behaved as he always does, like a petulant child, refusing to give up what he clearly believed was his own property. The FBI published a list of items seized which clearly shows what was classified:

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/02/1120643423/judge-unseals-list-documents-fbi-trump-mar-a-lago

 

[Callen]

Before, I kept on asking about the procedure specifically a President must follow to declassify. So far, no one supplied one.

The obsession about Trump saying he declassified them is ridiculous.

Do you think that his defense lawyers are simply going to say he classified them without showing any evidence or witness testimony to support that claim and the jury is going to buy it?

Do you think that Trump is going to take the stand and say he declassified them and how (under oath) opening himself up to cross- examination?

All that aside the majority of the case against Trump has nothing to do with whether the documents were classified ior not. Their status is irrelevant to the charges cited in the probable cause affidavit authorizing the search warrant. You can talk about the process all you want.....it doesn't matter.

 

[snakestretcher]

The obsession about Trump saying he declassified them is ridiculous.

Do you think that his defense lawyers are simply going to say he classified them without showing any evidence or witness testimony to support that claim and the jury is going to buy it?

Do you think that Trump is going to take the stand and say he declassified them and how under oath opening himself up to cross- examination?

All that aside the majority of the case against Trump has nothing to do with whether the documents were classified it not. Their status is irrelevant to the charges cited in the probable cause affidavit authorizing the search warrant. You can talk about the process all you want.....it doesn't matter.

Bottom line; there is no evidence of declassification-except in Trump's febrile imagination.

 

[Callen]

Biden's team of people, that were rummaging through classified documents, didn't even have the clearance to look at them.

Which only supports the fact that they had no idea they would find classified documents when they were packing the office up.

 

[rahl]

For the record, this none of this would even have been newsworthy, until Biden and the Democrats decided to try and criminalize the Presidential records act. Ironic, how Biden created the very thing that he is now in trouble for.

Lol, no.

Seems to get worse every day for Biden. It's always the cover up that gets them.

How does voluntarily turning over the records and making the DOJ and NARA aware of the find, covering it up? lol

 

[soap box]

Lol, no.

How does voluntarily turning over the records and making the DOJ and NARA aware of the find, covering it up? lol

That's exactly my question.

 

[Callen]

He was subpoenaed to return government records. He was disputing whether they were presidential or personal records - something a president is supposed to have the call on. Obviously, he wasn't in a rush to go through them - just as Biden wasn't in a rush to go through his records.

With the warrant they recovered just over a hundred (not hundreds) documents with classified markings. They haven't said how many were classified.

Negotiations went on for months before the DOJ issued a subpoena. You don't just defy a subpoena and lie about it. If you think the subpoena is inappropriate you go to court. Had he complied with the subpoena or fought it in court this would be a nonstory today not a criminal investigation.

 

[Galactic Spin]

No idea what are you talking about 16 months? six years are not 16 months

Yes you do. This low iq trolling won't help you.

You know exactly what I meant. And so you had a hissy and avoided it. Because cult.

It has not been 6 years since Biden was asked to return documents.

 

[Galactic Spin]

He was subpoenaed to return government records.

* because they knew he was lying

 

[bubbabgone]

why would Trump take classified documents ?

whatever a person thinks his motivations were, assign to Biden the very same

none of them are trustworthy, they prove it ever day

Dunno.
For either of them, the reasons they would take them might be clearer if we knew what's in them.
So the motivations could be quite different.

 

[Anthony60]

They gave Trump 18 months to return the secret documents in his possession and he ran out of time. It was also 6 months before any election.

What deadline did they give Joe?

 

[Anthony60]

Let's also not forget that is basically DOJ policy.

And let's also not forget that you didn't hear a peep out of the DOJ regarding Trump's hoarding for 16 months.

Like every other President, except none of them get raided.

 

[Rawley]

You didn't answer. Why is an archivist better than a lawyer?

I told you 1,000 times, hence the charge of being intentionally obtuse. The job of inventorying documents is an archivist's job. And an archivist is going to charge $100/hr versus $1.000 for a lawyer

 

[Callen]

Like every other President, except none of them get raided.

Name one other President who defied a legally obtained subpoena and then lied about it? Why do you think Trump had a right to do that? If he had complied this would be a nonissue legally.

 

[Rawley]

I don't feel bad at all. This forum is for grown-ups.

Grown up commentary such as "But of course the protests, according to the orange lardarse cretin, were "fake news" LOL If you didn't have your hypocrisy you'd have nothing at all.

 

[Anthony60]

How does voluntarily turning over the records and making the DOJ and NARA aware of the find, covering it up? lol

I guess you have not been keeping up. They hid the "discovery" for two months, until they found out Rep. Comer was going to investigate the National Archives. They knew they would be caught, so they made the announcement the next day. If the Republicans had not won the House, we'd never know about this.

 

[Anthony60]

Name one other President who defied a legally obtained subpoena and then lied about it? Why do you think Trump had a right to do that? If he had complied this would be a nonissue legally.

Oh, that's right, also the only one to get a subpoena.

 

[rahl]

I guess you have not been keeping up. They hid the "discovery" for two months, until they found out Rep. Comer was going to investigate the National Archives.

You've confused yourself. The very DAY the docs were discovered, the proper authorities were notified immediately.

They knew they would be caught, so they made the announcement the next day. If the Republicans had not won the House, we'd never know about this.

You have no need or right to "know" about it. The actual proper authorities who do have the right to know about it, were notified moments after the docs were discovered. So to claim "cover up" is painfully retarded.

 

[Callen]

Oh, that's right, also the only one to get a subpoena.

Name one other President who refused to return classified documents and therefore necessitated the subpoena. The point is he defied it and lied about. That is a crime. If he thought it was inappropriate he should have gone to court. Trump brought this on himself. He knowingly broke the law.

 

[Anthony60]

You've confused yourself. The very DAY the docs were discovered, the proper authorities were notified immediately.

You have no need or right to "know" about it. The actual proper authorities who do have the right to know about it, were notified moments after the docs were discovered. So to claim "cover up" is painfully retarded.

LOL!!! Now that is hilarious! Biden has classified docs at his home, and the public has no right to know? But, they made sure Trump was all over the headline, just a few months before the election. Wow.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Like every other President, except none of them get raided.

Trump was asked to return what he stole and refused. The FBI went and got those documents back.

Stop defending Trump.

 

[rahl]

LOL!!! Now that is hilarious! Biden has classified docs at his home, and the public has no right to know?

Of course they don't.

But, they made sure Trump was all over the headline, just a few months before the election. Wow.

Trump wasn't in the news until he defied a subpoena, and had his house raided. Then he decided to blast his crimes all over social media. See the difference?

Again, to claim there is a cover up here is mind numbingly retarded.