"Class Warfare"

[TurtleDude]

It says will have assistance of counsel. That is a positive statement. The accuse will have it regardless of if they can pay or if they are locked in jail or whatever.

wrong and that does not say you have the right to have others pay for counsel. and some defendants don't want counsel-are they violating the constitution by representing themselves pro se

 

[kenvin]

So using your logic the government ought to give me an M4 automatic carbine and a supply of ammo so I may exercise to Keep and bear arms?

2nd amendment. The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. That doesn't say you must have a gun. It says if you want one you can have one.

6fth and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. That is very clear. The accused will have it.

 

[kenvin]

wrong and that does not say you have the right to have others pay for counsel. and some defendants don't want counsel-are they violating the constitution by representing themselves pro se

The right to defend ones self is not absolute, but I don't have to explain that to you. The right to counsel is.

 

[TurtleDude]

The right to defend ones self is not absolute, but I don't have to explain that to you. The right to counsel is.

so it was so absolute it took the supreme court more than a century and a half to understand it

Got it

 

[kenvin]

so it was so absolute it took the supreme court more than a century and a half to understand it

Got it

Why pretend you don't understand how the law works? Is this for the benefit of those who are ignorant of the subject or do you believe what you write? The supreme court isn't perfect, and our country started out with most having very few actual rights. The Supreme court has done a lot of the heavy lifting to enforce our rights and it has taken a long time.

 

[Catawba]

GOP class warfare: Make the middle class pay

The Citizens for Tax Justice have crunched the numbers, and they are remarkable.

"The cost of the tax plans proposed by Republican presidential candidates would range from $6.6 trillion to $18 trillion over a decade. The share of tax cuts going to the richest one percent of Americans under these plans would range from over a third to almost half. The average tax cuts received by the richest one percent would be up to 270 times as large as the average tax cut received by middle-income Americans."

 

[haymarket]

freedom, rational economic policies etc make no sense to anyone who worships more government and thinks the government needs more of our money rather than having to spend less

Again you lie about my position. I have repeatedly - as in over and over and over again - told you that I favor a reduction in spending and a raise in everyones taxes.

Please stop lying about what you think I believe in.

 

[Fletch]

GOP class warfare: Make the middle class pay

The Citizens for Tax Justice have crunched the numbers, and they are remarkable.

"The cost of the tax plans proposed by Republican presidential candidates would range from $6.6 trillion to $18 trillion over a decade. The share of tax cuts going to the richest one percent of Americans under these plans would range from over a third to almost half. The average tax cuts received by the richest one percent would be up to 270 times as large as the average tax cut received by middle-income Americans."

Well, duh. Half of America pays no income taxes, so its a bit difficult to cut their taxes, no? And since the rich pay the most in taxes, any cut will benefit those people more.

And in other news, the sun is hot...

 

[Catawba]

Well, duh. Half of America pays no income taxes, so its a bit difficult to cut their taxes, no? And since the rich pay the most in taxes, any cut will benefit those people more.

And in other news, the sun is hot...

Half of Americans pay no income taxes because thanks to deregulation of the banks and supply side economics for the last 30 years, they are too poor.

U.S. Poverty: Census Finds Nearly Half Of Americans Are Poor Or Low-Income

 

[MoSurveyor]

[...] and supply side economics for the last 30 years, they are too poor.

U.S. Poverty: Census Finds Nearly Half Of Americans Are Poor Or Low-Income

Yep - been waiting for that to Trickle Down since Reagan ...

 

[Fletch]

Half of Americans pay no income taxes because thanks to deregulation of the banks and supply side economics for the last 30 years, they are too poor.

U.S. Poverty: Census Finds Nearly Half Of Americans Are Poor Or Low-Income

Sorry, cutting taxes for the rich does not make everyone else poor. Just thought I would point that rather obvious fact out to you. But if half of Americans are poor, what does that say about the $10 trillion war on poverty? Epic fail.

 

[Catawba]

Yep - been waiting for that to Trickle Down since Reagan ...

“Trickle-Down Economics” Found to be Urine-Based

"Financial theorists were led to believe that it was ‘wealth’ that trickled down, but due to reality they’ve since discovered it can’t be; wealth has done the opposite of trickling down, in that it has gushed upwards. Besides gushing up and trickling out, unintended side effects of this theory may include damaging the solvency of the US as a nation and setting a supermajority of people back a few decades.

The idea was that “a high tide lifts all ships,” but it turns out it lifts only the bigger ships and may in fact waterboard all the rest. Based on Reagan’s ‘supply-side economics’ model to which most presidents and legislators have adhered, if everyone continued Reagan’s slashing of 60% from the taxes of the wealthiest, and also cut regulations and undermined unions, then all that extra liquidity left over at the top would trickle its way down to the parched people and country below."

"Across the nation, scientists began testing random people off the street, checking their bank statements and scraping them for any residue. Several independent labs have since confirmed that though there is “a strong element of solid waste” present in the sample, “urine” is the main ingredient of trickle-down theory. Also, they concluded that “trickling” effect is also apparently a misnomer; it’s actually more like a steady stream.

“I’m not surprised, we’ve been pissing directly on their heads for some time now,” said an anonymous Wall Street source while under the influence of a cocaine-induced speaking frenzy. “Most days we all go up to the roof or open up our office windows just to see how long and hard we can urinate on whoever passes below. Most people here in New York just think it’s raining again but really it’s us, pissing from every office possible. Bob on the 54th floor holds the record in our division, but I just had two Gatorades and a Big Gulp so here goes winning—stand back!”

http://thewashingtonfancy.com/2012/02/16/trickle-down-economics-found-to-be-urine-based/9250#

 

[Catawba]

Sorry, cutting taxes for the rich does not make everyone else poor. Just thought I would point that rather obvious fact out to you. But if half of Americans are poor, what does that say about the $10 trillion war on poverty? Epic fail.

You didn't read what I said, did you?

"thanks to deregulation of the banks and supply side economics for the last 30 years, they are too poor.

And what $10 trillion dollar war on poverty????

 

[TurtleDude]

GOP class warfare: Make the middle class pay

The Citizens for Tax Justice have crunched the numbers, and they are remarkable.

"The cost of the tax plans proposed by Republican presidential candidates would range from $6.6 trillion to $18 trillion over a decade. The share of tax cuts going to the richest one percent of Americans under these plans would range from over a third to almost half. The average tax cuts received by the richest one percent would be up to 270 times as large as the average tax cut received by middle-income Americans."

there is that silly idiocy that tax cuts COST the government anything or even more silly COST US CITIZENS anything

 

[TurtleDude]

Half of Americans pay no income taxes because thanks to deregulation of the banks and supply side economics for the last 30 years, they are too poor.

U.S. Poverty: Census Finds Nearly Half Of Americans Are Poor Or Low-Income

More nonsense-many of those people were paying income taxes while having the same exact incomes. It was a stupid mistake by bush-and then Obama-to allow so many people to have no skin in the income tax game

 

[Catawba]

there is that silly idiocy that tax cuts COST the government anything or even more silly COST US CITIZENS anything

Are going to try to plead ignorance of the fact that taxes are how the government pays for your services they provide?

The Bush tax cuts cost us $11 million dollars an hour in lost revenues.

 

[Born Free]

Are going to try to plead ignorance of the fact that taxes are how the government pays for your services they provide?

The Bush tax cuts cost us $11 million dollars an hour in lost revenues.

And that comes to 96 billion a yr. Obama raised the national debt by 1.5 trillion a yr and by the end of his only term will have increased the national debt by 6 trillion.

 

[TurtleDude]

Are going to try to plead ignorance of the fact that taxes are how the government pays for your services they provide?

The Bush tax cuts cost us $11 million dollars an hour in lost revenues.

You are still displaying a fundamental lack of understanding of costs/revenues etc

 

[Catawba]

And that comes to 96 billion a yr. Obama raised the national debt by 1.5 trillion a yr and by the end of his only term will have increased the national debt by 6 trillion.

You don't think the the Bush tax cuts for the rich, two wars, and the almost depression he inherited had anything to do with that do you???

Romney has pledged to increase the deficit $3 trillion dollars higher than that projected under Obama over the next ten years.


Thanks, but no thanks!

 

[MoSurveyor]

You are still displaying a fundamental lack of understanding of costs/revenues etc

I think if "death tax" is acceptable then tax cuts "cost" the government. Same ****, different side.

 

[Catawba]

You are still displaying a fundamental lack of understanding of costs/revenues etc

At least I understand that a ledger has both income and expenses.

 

[Born Free]

You don't think the the Bush tax cuts for the rich, two wars, and the almost depression he inherited had anything to do with that do you???

Romney has pledged to increase the deficit $3 trillion dollars higher than that projected under Obama over the next ten years.


Thanks, but no thanks!

Funny how you talk about Bush and then Romney, yet leave out Obama that has raised the national debt higher and faster than any president before him.

Now please support your claim that Romney has pledged to increase the deficit 3 trillion higher than projected under Obama.

I await.

 

[TurtleDude]

I think if "death tax" is acceptable then tax cuts "cost" the government. Same ****, different side.

wrong, death tax is just as accurate as estate tax --death is what causes the tax to loot the wealth

 

[TurtleDude]

At least I understand that a ledger has both income and expenses.

and expenses are the costs. In other words you cannot claim ignorance for your lies then?

 

[winston53660]

freedom, rational economic policies etc make no sense to anyone who worships more government and thinks the government needs more of our money rather than having to spend less

Fine then build your own roads your own military and pay for health care of your employees.