"Class Warfare"

[Hatuey]

Every now and then I have to hear some partisan hack conservative on this forum complaining about Liberals engaging "class warfare". They'll bitch about the supposed "attacks" on the rich and their "success". Even the "undisclosed" conservatives and their moderate and centrist brethren will engage in spewing the same kind of vile rhetoric usually left up to the Republican Media wing. You guys sound like Marxists teenagers. Not only do you not know what class warfare actually is but you're guilty of the same bull**** you swear liberals are guilty of. You call the MILLIONS of unionized workers of America "thugs" and anybody who is on welfare is labeled as scum, sleezebag or junkie. By your own standards of class warfare, your actions fall right in.

I know it's hard to contain yourselves before an election but please, tone down the nonsense. It's not good for your health. Not only that, but you look like a complete asshole when you proclaim your fellow Americans are commies that want to destroy America, but ignore that if it weren't for people standing up to corporations we'd look more like South East Asia and less like what we are today. Seriously, tone the rhetoric down a few notches. It's getting annoying. That goes for you hackish liberals too. Tone it down. It's just an election and we're all on the same boat together whether we like it or not.

 

[StillBallin75]

I ****in hate boats...seasickness.

 

[Hatuey]

I ****in hate boats...seasickness.

You're Asian. Your ancestors didn't really do transoceanic voyages. It's understandable. Both sides of my ancestry use to cross the Atlantic a few hundred at a time. The white ones always took the good seats.

 

[Mycroft]

Every now and then I have to hear some partisan hack conservative on this forum complaining about Liberals engaging "class warfare". They'll bitch about the supposed "attacks" on the rich and their "success". Even the "undisclosed" conservatives and their moderate and centrist brethren will engage in spewing the same kind of vile rhetoric usually left up to the Republican Media wing. You guys sound like Marxists teenagers. Not only do you not know what class warfare actually is but you're guilty of the same bull**** you swear liberals are guilty of. You call the MILLIONS of unionized workers of America "thugs" and anybody who is on welfare is labeled as scum, sleezebag or junkie. By your own standards of class warfare, your actions fall right in.

I know it's hard to contain yourselves before an election but please, tone down the nonsense. It's not good for your health. Not only that, but you look like a complete asshole when you proclaim your fellow Americans are commies that want to destroy America, but ignore that if it weren't for people standing up to corporations we'd look more like South East Asia and less like what we are today. Seriously, tone the rhetoric down a few notches. It's getting annoying. That goes for you hackish liberals too. Tone it down. It's just an election and we're all on the same boat together whether we like it or not.

WHEW!!

Talk about hacks!!


LOL!!!

 

[Hatuey]

WHEW!!

Talk about hacks!!

LOL!!!

I'm a hack? Most people who've been here longer than a year would beg to differ.

 

[Mycroft]

I'm a hack? Most people who've been here longer than a year would beg to differ.

Yep. You are.

"They'll bitch about the supposed "attacks" on the rich and their "success". Even the "undisclosed" conservatives and their moderate and centrist brethren will engage in spewing the same kind of vile rhetoric usually left up to the Republican Media wing. You guys sound like Marxists teenagers. Not only do you not know what class warfare actually is but you're guilty of the same bull**** you swear liberals are guilty of. You call the MILLIONS of unionized workers of America "thugs" and anybody who is on welfare is labeled as scum, sleezebag or junkie. By your own standards of class warfare, your actions fall right in."

Plus, you are a whiny hack.

"I know it's hard to contain yourselves before an election but please, tone down the nonsense. It's not good for your health. Not only that, but you look like a complete asshole when you proclaim your fellow Americans are commies that want to destroy America, but ignore that if it weren't for people standing up to corporations we'd look more like South East Asia and less like what we are today. Seriously, tone the rhetoric down a few notches."

Give me a freaking break, eh?

 

[X Factor]

Translation: Anyone who disagrees with the OP needs to STFU. :roll:

BTW, I did find the tepid lip service about "hackish liberals" pretty funny after an entire rant bashing only conservatives.

 

[Your Star]

All I have to say is, if "I want to raise taxes on the richest 2%" is class warfare, then "I want to end entitlement programs for the poorest of us" is also class warfare.

 

[Hatuey]

Translation: Anyone who disagrees with the OP needs to STFU. :roll:

BTW, I did find the tepid lip service about "hackish liberals" pretty funny after an entire rant bashing only conservatives.

Took pot shots at Marxists too. But hey don't let me stop your crying.

Yep. You are.

Plus, you are a whiny hack.

Give me a freaking break, eh?

Oh so you don't know why - you just say I am?

 

[Hatuey]

All I have to say is, if "I want to raise taxes on the richest 2%" is class warfare, then "I want to end entitlement programs for the poorest of us" is also class warfare.

The point of my post went way over their heads You Star. It's okay, they'd rather focus on me

 

[X Factor]

All I have to say is, if "I want to raise taxes on the richest 2%" is class warfare,

That's not what I consider "class warfare". What I would call class warfare is vilifying the rich and saying that they're not paying their "fair share" when they're supporting nearly half of the nation.

 

[X Factor]

Took pot shots at Marxists too. But hey don't let me stop your crying.

LOL, so saying conservatives are like "marxist teenagers" is taking a shot at Marxists? You're accusing me of crying? Have you read your OP?

The point of my post went way over their heads You Star. It's okay, they'd rather focus on me

Oh yeah, the point of your OP is a real ****ing mystery.

 

[Hatuey]

LOL, so saying conservatives are like "marxist teenagers" is taking a shot at Marxists? You're accusing me of crying? Have you read your OP?

If you refer to group A to insult group B, by default, it means you think group A is negative. For example, if somebody on the street were to call you a faggot, would you suggest that they think being a faggot is a good thing? Obviously not. They would have insulted you with something they think is negative. So yes, it's a shot at Marxist too; a passive aggressive insult.

 

[Your Star]

That's not what I consider "class warfare". What I would call class warfare is vilifying the rich and saying that they're not paying their "fair share" when they're supporting nearly half of the nation.

Would you say calling people on any form of government assistance are lazy, parasites, and if they only worked harder they would succeed, class warfare as well?

 

[Mycroft]

All I have to say is, if "I want to raise taxes on the richest 2%" is class warfare, then "I want to end entitlement programs for the poorest of us" is also class warfare.

I don't consider those statements as examples of class warfare at all...just opinions.

What I consider class warfare is stuff Obama and his ilk trot out...like:

Those guys with their jet planes are stealing your money.

and

You poor people don't have any money because those rich guys took it all...and they don't want to give any of it back by paying more taxes.

You know...that sort of class warfare stuff.

 

[X Factor]

If you refer to group A to insult group B, by default, it means you think group A is negative. For example, if somebody on the street were to call you a faggot, would you suggest that they think being a faggot is a good thing? Obviously not. They would have insulted you with something they think is negative. So yes, it's a shot at Marxist too; a passive aggressive insult.

Fine, if you want to play this silly semantics game then I'll point out you specified only Marxist teenagers, so presumably, to you, adult Marxists compare favorably to conservatives, even moderate conservatives, but yeah, it's everyone else who are the hacks. :roll:

 

[Hatuey]

I don't consider those statements as examples of class warfare at all...just opinions.

Oh I get it. Vilifying the rich is class warfare. Vilifying the poor isn't class warfare. The point of my OP is becoming more clear.

A simple definition of "class conflict" ie "class warfare"

Class conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Class conflict is the tension or antagonism which exists in society due to competing socioeconomic interests between people of different classes.

 

[Your Star]

I don't consider those statements as examples of class warfare at all...just opinions.

What I consider class warfare is stuff Obama and his ilk trot out...like:

Those guys with their jet planes are stealing your money.

and

You poor people don't have any money because those rich guys took it all...and they don't want to give any of it back by paying more taxes.

You know...that sort of class warfare stuff.

What about the vilifying of the poor? Is that class warfare?

 

[Hatuey]

Fine, if you want to play this silly semantics game

Semantics would imply I'm saying the same thing twice. Insulting group A by using group B, would be a direct insult at group A with a passive aggressive at group B.

then I'll point out you specified only Marxist teenagers, so presumably, to you, adult Marxists compare favorably to conservatives, even moderate conservatives, but yeah, it's everyone else who are the hacks. :roll:

Please stop presuming. It's synonymous to "excessively arrogant". Also, can I borrow your crystal ball next Saturday? I want to double down on the Giants but I want to make sure I can see what's going to go on in Brady's head first.

 

[Mycroft]

Oh I get it. Vilifying the rich is class warfare. Vilifying the poor isn't class warfare. The point of my OP is becoming more clear.

A simple definition of "class conflict" ie "class warfare"

Class conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Class conflict is the tension or antagonism which exists in society due to competing socioeconomic interests between people of different classes.

What about the vilifying of the poor? Is that class warfare?

I DO consider vilifying the poor to be class warfare. However, do you have any examples of a President...or even a Congressman...vilifying the poor? I'd be happy to see them.

 

[X Factor]

Semantics would imply I'm saying the same thing twice. Insulting group A by using group B, would be a direct insult at group A with a passive aggressive at group B.

And group B is "Marxist teenagers" so, by your very explanation, the only "shot" you took at Marxists was actually only and specifically at Marxist teenagers.

Please stop presuming. It's synonymous to "excessively arrogant". Also, can I borrow your crystal ball next Saturday? I want to double down on the Giants but I want to make sure I can see what's going to go on in Brady's head first.

Once again, you're not the great mystery you think you are. Your OP makes it very clear who you have a problem with, and it's not people who share your political beliefs. Color me shocked.

 

[Your Star]

I DO consider vilifying the poor to be class warfare. However, do you have any examples of a President...or even a Congressman...vilifying the poor? I'd be happy to see them.

A lot of the more conservative members of congress do this, quite often, and most of the GOP presidential candidates are guilty of this.

 

[X Factor]

A lot of the more conservative members of congress do this, quite often, and most of the GOP presidential candidates are guilty of this.

Ok, so your turn. Is demonizing rich people class warfare?

 

[Hatuey]

However, do you have any examples of a President...or even a Congressman...vilifying the poor? I'd be happy to see them.

Here are some:

You know, we should not be giving cash to people who basically are just going to blow it on drugs and not take care of their own children." — Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah). Tell Hatch that drug-testing the unemployed is discriminatory and unconstitutional right here.

"You know, people are poor in America ... not because they lack money; they're poor because they lack values, morals and ethics. And if government can't teach and instill that, we're wasting our time simply giving poor people money." — Radio personality Bill Cunningham


"[Y]ou gotta look people in the eye and tell 'em they're irresponsible and lazy .... Because that's what poverty is, ladies and gentlemen. In this country, you can succeed if you get educated and work hard. Period. Period." — FOX News host Bill O’Reilly

Government officials were praising, even subsidizing, the worst kinds of behavior--not just abortion but also idleness, dependency, and delinquency. The pundits of [the 1970s and 1980s] called it "justice" and "liberation." But here on the ground, in real-world America, where I was living, the rest of us could see that government was fostering injustice and anarchy. - Michelle Bachman

By 2009 the poverty rate stood at 14.3%--about where it was when the War of Poverty began. In 1960, nearly 2/3rds of low-income households were headed by persons who worked, but by 1991, the proportion had fallen to 1/3, with only 11% working full time, year round. With the government providing so much in free welfare, many people chose not to work. Welfare recipients who go to work lose their benefits as their income rises. This is effectively an extra tax on work that must be paid on top of the usual array of federal, state, and local taxes. - Gringrich.

In essence those are just the few examples of conservatives calling people on welfare lazy, junkies etc.

 

[Hatuey]

Ok, so your turn. Is demonizing rich people class warfare?

No. Vilifying people in public is rhetoric associated with class warfare but it's not class warfare itself. If you had understood the OP enough to create something more than a simplistic interpretation, you would have realized it. Cutting somebody's welfare because you think they're lazy scum and junkies, that's class conflict. Making it easier for companies to ship jobs overseas while proclaiming that the free market will magically help us all, that's class warfare. Creating legislation that simply taxes the rich as a solution, that's class warfare. Telling people that there are huge wealth inequalities that need to be resolved somehow? That's not class warfare. Saying we need to cut spending while fixing tax loopholes? That's not class warfare. They're sensible statements. In essence, the post I made was a reference to the stifling of civil discourse under the mantra of being "anti-class warfare".