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Lets go to a galaxy far far away....Yeah, geeky and cheesy I know but hey, its going to get cheesier. :shrug: :mrgreen:
In this galaxy you have two factions that are warring against each other. The Light side and the Dark side. But don't let the names fool you. On both sides there are normal, every day people that essentially believe the exact same things and believe in doing what is Right and True. Neither side is religious. Both sides have equal rights for everyone. There is no racial discrimination. The only reason for the war is resources. Lets say....water. That particular galaxy is low on water. Which they of course need to survive. In between these two factions territories is a band of worlds that is chalk full of fresh water. Both sides have mutually agreed, before the war started, to not even come with in 50 light years of those planets until there is a victor in their war to see who gets the water. (for those that love semantics, they travel to different planets via directed wormhole technology which gets them from point A to point B of their choosing in a matter of seconds..but it only works inside their galaxy due to a highly radiation and magnetic bubble that wraps their entire galaxy and collapses worm holes that attempt to go beyond it)
If you were in charge of one of these factions how would you conduct your war?
Civilized war in which you spare innocent civilians as much as possible?
or
WAR! in which you exterminate anything that gets in your way?
Remember, the survival of your faction means winning the war in order to get that precious water. If you lose, your faction gets none of that water. The poll choices are your only options. There is no middle ground. No haggling. No diplomacy available as both factions refuse to come to the negotiation table, or even talk to each other for that matter as the war has started. In fact any attempt to contact or talk to the other side will get you summarily executed right on the spot. Cameras which you have no control over and cannot destroy as it would mean instant death for you are always on you...even in the bathroom, no privacy what so ever. You agreed to it when you became the leader as you want your people to trust you. Only a select group of people are able to watch and see what is going on via those cameras. People you will never have contact with as you know not who they are or how to get ahold of them. This is of course to preserve military tactics. IE: cameras are not broadcast to the public, only those select people. You also have no idea where the leader of the other faction is, just like they have no idea where you are at. You are both as secure as secure can be from any type of spying.
Hopefully I've covered all the bases here. What is your choice?
In this galaxy you have two factions that are warring against each other. The Light side and the Dark side. But don't let the names fool you. On both sides there are normal, every day people that essentially believe the exact same things and believe in doing what is Right and True. Neither side is religious. Both sides have equal rights for everyone. There is no racial discrimination. The only reason for the war is resources. Lets say....water. That particular galaxy is low on water. Which they of course need to survive. In between these two factions territories is a band of worlds that is chalk full of fresh water. Both sides have mutually agreed, before the war started, to not even come with in 50 light years of those planets until there is a victor in their war to see who gets the water. (for those that love semantics, they travel to different planets via directed wormhole technology which gets them from point A to point B of their choosing in a matter of seconds..but it only works inside their galaxy due to a highly radiation and magnetic bubble that wraps their entire galaxy and collapses worm holes that attempt to go beyond it).
If you were in charge of one of these factions how would you conduct your war?
Civilized war in which you spare innocent civilians as much as possible?
or
WAR! in which you exterminate anything that gets in your way?
Cameras which you have no control over and cannot destroy as it would mean instant death for you are always on you...even in the bathroom, no privacy what so ever. You agreed to it when you became the leader as you want your people to trust you. Only a select group of people are able to watch and see what is going on via those cameras. People you will never have contact with as you know not who they are or how to get ahold of them. This is of course to preserve military tactics. IE: cameras are not broadcast to the public, only those select people.
Lets go to a galaxy far far away....Yeah, geeky and cheesy I know but hey, its going to get cheesier. :shrug: :mrgreen:
In this galaxy you have two factions that are warring against each other. The Light side and the Dark side. But don't let the names fool you. On both sides there are normal, every day people that essentially believe the exact same things and believe in doing what is Right and True. Neither side is religious. Both sides have equal rights for everyone. There is no racial discrimination. The only reason for the war is resources. Lets say....water. That particular galaxy is low on water. Which they of course need to survive. In between these two factions territories is a band of worlds that is chalk full of fresh water. Both sides have mutually agreed, before the war started, to not even come with in 50 light years of those planets until there is a victor in their war to see who gets the water. (for those that love semantics, they travel to different planets via directed wormhole technology which gets them from point A to point B of their choosing in a matter of seconds..but it only works inside their galaxy due to a highly radiation and magnetic bubble that wraps their entire galaxy and collapses worm holes that attempt to go beyond it)
If you were in charge of one of these factions how would you conduct your war?
Civilized war in which you spare innocent civilians as much as possible?
or
WAR! in which you exterminate anything that gets in your way?
Remember, the survival of your faction means winning the war in order to get that precious water. If you lose, your faction gets none of that water. The poll choices are your only options. There is no middle ground. No haggling. No diplomacy available as both factions refuse to come to the negotiation table, or even talk to each other for that matter as the war has started. In fact any attempt to contact or talk to the other side will get you summarily executed right on the spot. Cameras which you have no control over and cannot destroy as it would mean instant death for you are always on you...even in the bathroom, no privacy what so ever. You agreed to it when you became the leader as you want your people to trust you. Only a select group of people are able to watch and see what is going on via those cameras. People you will never have contact with as you know not who they are or how to get ahold of them. This is of course to preserve military tactics. IE: cameras are not broadcast to the public, only those select people. You also have no idea where the leader of the other faction is, just like they have no idea where you are at. You are both as secure as secure can be from any type of spying.
Hopefully I've covered all the bases here. What is your choice?
Lets go to a galaxy far far away....Yeah, geeky and cheesy I know but hey, its going to get cheesier. :shrug: :mrgreen:
In this galaxy you have two factions that are warring against each other. The Light side and the Dark side. But don't let the names fool you. On both sides there are normal, every day people that essentially believe the exact same things and believe in doing what is Right and True. Neither side is religious. Both sides have equal rights for everyone. There is no racial discrimination. The only reason for the war is resources. Lets say....water. That particular galaxy is low on water. Which they of course need to survive. In between these two factions territories is a band of worlds that is chalk full of fresh water. Both sides have mutually agreed, before the war started, to not even come with in 50 light years of those planets until there is a victor in their war to see who gets the water. (for those that love semantics, they travel to different planets via directed wormhole technology which gets them from point A to point B of their choosing in a matter of seconds..but it only works inside their galaxy due to a highly radiation and magnetic bubble that wraps their entire galaxy and collapses worm holes that attempt to go beyond it)
If you were in charge of one of these factions how would you conduct your war?
Civilized war in which you spare innocent civilians as much as possible?
or
WAR! in which you exterminate anything that gets in your way?
Remember, the survival of your faction means winning the war in order to get that precious water. If you lose, your faction gets none of that water. The poll choices are your only options. There is no middle ground. No haggling. No diplomacy available as both factions refuse to come to the negotiation table, or even talk to each other for that matter as the war has started. In fact any attempt to contact or talk to the other side will get you summarily executed right on the spot. Cameras which you have no control over and cannot destroy as it would mean instant death for you are always on you...even in the bathroom, no privacy what so ever. You agreed to it when you became the leader as you want your people to trust you. Only a select group of people are able to watch and see what is going on via those cameras. People you will never have contact with as you know not who they are or how to get ahold of them. This is of course to preserve military tactics. IE: cameras are not broadcast to the public, only those select people. You also have no idea where the leader of the other faction is, just like they have no idea where you are at. You are both as secure as secure can be from any type of spying.
Hopefully I've covered all the bases here. What is your choice?
Dispatch sharp diplomats that succeeded in finding a way that both shared the water, and neither perished.
You and those diplomats are now executed. Try again.
The idea of a war is that you do whatever it takes to achieve a military/political goal.
If you need to ****ing butcher the entirety of the enemy then so be it.
This idea of a limited war is moronic.
Just use nukes.
Why me. Look Kal, I realize your excercise here is to legitimize the targeting of civilians.
Actually no, its not. Some in this thread have given perfectly good answers for both decisions. Not sure why you can't/won't even attempt to. :shrug:
That's not possible, targeting civilians has no legitimacy. Despite the US record to the contrary, the US acknowledges that, and is party to agreements that forbid it.
We're not talking about the US. Or any other country. This is about civilized war vs WAR. Nothing more, nothing less.
Bold: I'll take that as you voting for civilized war.
No, I voted, in my post anyway, for an option that wasn't available in your hypothetical, yet is always an option.
No, its not always an option. If it was then there would be no wars in the world. Or at the very least, far less.
Diplomacy is to always an option, but sometimes when you want your gawd damn war bad enough (Iraq) diplomacy is dismissed. Funny that you might think that all wars happen because there was no political/diplomatic solution.
^-------- I take my war lessons from this guy
But in all seriousness....
My general thought in combat, regardless of whether it's someone mugging me or a war, is you do whatever is necessary to win. Period.
That doesn't necessarily mean going all out without any regard for civilians; but it MIGHT.
If I believe conducting a more "civilized" War will work to my advantage because I have a significant belief that my opponent will "fight clean" as well, and that the potential pit falls of "fighting dirty" (loss of support at home, my own civilians being targetted, etc) outweigh the benefits, then I'll "fight clean".
On the flip side....
If I'm confident of my citizens resolve and believe I can end the conflict quickly which would minimize causalities on my end, OR I'm confident that the other guy won't fight dirty even if I do, OR I'm confident that they will fight dirty regardless of what I do, then by all means Sherman it up and burn that mother****er to the ground.
Diplomacy is to always an option, but sometimes when you want your gawd damn war bad enough (Iraq) diplomacy is dismissed. Funny that you might think that all wars happen because there was no political/diplomatic solution.
Lets go to a galaxy far far away....Yeah, geeky and cheesy I know but hey, its going to get cheesier. :shrug: :mrgreen:
In this galaxy you have two factions that are warring against each other. The Light side and the Dark side. But don't let the names fool you. On both sides there are normal, every day people that essentially believe the exact same things and believe in doing what is Right and True. Neither side is religious. Both sides have equal rights for everyone. There is no racial discrimination. The only reason for the war is resources. Lets say....water. That particular galaxy is low on water. Which they of course need to survive. In between these two factions territories is a band of worlds that is chalk full of fresh water. Both sides have mutually agreed, before the war started, to not even come with in 50 light years of those planets until there is a victor in their war to see who gets the water. (for those that love semantics, they travel to different planets via directed wormhole technology which gets them from point A to point B of their choosing in a matter of seconds..but it only works inside their galaxy due to a highly radiation and magnetic bubble that wraps their entire galaxy and collapses worm holes that attempt to go beyond it)
If you were in charge of one of these factions how would you conduct your war?
Civilized war in which you spare innocent civilians as much as possible?
or
WAR! in which you exterminate anything that gets in your way?
Remember, the survival of your faction means winning the war in order to get that precious water. If you lose, your faction gets none of that water. The poll choices are your only options. There is no middle ground. No haggling. No diplomacy available as both factions refuse to come to the negotiation table, or even talk to each other for that matter as the war has started. In fact any attempt to contact or talk to the other side will get you summarily executed right on the spot. Cameras which you have no control over and cannot destroy as it would mean instant death for you are always on you...even in the bathroom, no privacy what so ever. You agreed to it when you became the leader as you want your people to trust you. Only a select group of people are able to watch and see what is going on via those cameras. People you will never have contact with as you know not who they are or how to get ahold of them. This is of course to preserve military tactics. IE: cameras are not broadcast to the public, only those select people. You also have no idea where the leader of the other faction is, just like they have no idea where you are at. You are both as secure as secure can be from any type of spying.
Hopefully I've covered all the bases here. What is your choice?
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