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Civil War: "Who is Traitor, North or South"

Civil War: "Who is Traitor, North or South"

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Unfortunately, that is determined by whose flag is the last fluttering in the nasty breeze at the conclusion of the last battle.

But I see you heeded the warning from the Boss Man and created this thread. That was a good move. Your flag would have been temporarily stowed in the Boss Man's locker for a bit if you had continued in that other thread.

I think Bodi will be here soon, along with a number of other folks and in about ten years y'all still won't have a clear answer. But there is plenty of material out there to study.

Myself, I am kind of partial to a full 50 State Union, and sure hope there are no more ideas about that receding thing and a new conflict starting.

By the way, why do we need such a huge pond just to the west of our nation? Maybe we should follow the lead of another nation and build a land bridge all the way to Hawaii and then we can claim a whole bunch of that pond as being ours.

Make it nice and wide and set the situation so that as time goes on and on we make it wider and wider. THEN we put in a couple canals and charge ships to pass through the canals. Let's use some of that new tech stuff and make our nation even bigger. We'll finish this idea in a new thread, so we don't go off-topic here.
 
Fledermaus said:
Someone asked "Who is Traitor, North or South".
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Uh oh, something just came to me; that 'present tense' could mean that somebody views one of those two entities as still a traitor. Wouldn't it be better to ask the Boss Man to edit that to the past tense?
 
No MAGA will vote that the South was the traitor, and @medi will take great pains to avoid expressing any discontent toward the conservative South for fear of what they'd do to him.
 
We never figured out how the right to self- determination gels with the idea that anything other than national unity is treason. Coerced unity between the states cannot be consistent with political self- determination so there needs to be some sort of off-ramp option that our Constitution did not provide for or the right to self determination we fought for is abandoned.
This is interesting material https://history.stackexchange.com/q...s-believe-that-states-had-the-right-to-secede

There is no procedure for a peaceful off-ramp and Congress would have to create one out of whole cloth. They can barely even pass a budget anymore.

The hubris in supposing this federalist form would be successful forever, astounds.
 
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Can't wait to watch the true Americans, you know white males defend the south and slavery
 
Since there have been no answers I'll say it, the south wanted out to protect slavery and their wealth from cotton. States rights my ass. Slavery was the issue and no matter how morally wrong it was, money spoke louder just like it does today with citizens united.
 
medi said:
Unfortunately, that is determined by whose flag is the last fluttering in the nasty breeze at the conclusion of the last battle.

But I see you heeded the warning from the Boss Man and created this thread. That was a good move. Your flag would have been temporarily stowed in the Boss Man's locker for a bit if you had continued in that other thread.

I think Bodi will be here soon, along with a number of other folks and in about ten years y'all still won't have a clear answer. But there is plenty of material out there to study.

Myself, I am kind of partial to a full 50 State Union, and sure hope there are no more ideas about that receding thing and a new conflict starting.

By the way, why do we need such a huge pond just to the west of our nation? Maybe we should follow the lead of another nation and build a land bridge all the way to Hawaii and then we can claim a whole bunch of that pond as being ours.

Make it nice and wide and set the situation so that as time goes on and on we make it wider and wider. THEN we put in a couple canals and charge ships to pass through the canals. Let's use some of that new tech stuff and make our nation even bigger. We'll finish this idea in a new thread, so we don't go off-topic here.
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The South unequivocally committed treason against the United States. It’s not even a matter of debate; they simply did so.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The South unequivocally committed treason against the United States. It’s not even a matter of debate; they simply did so.
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Well, I honestly don't have an opinion on the matter, as I just haven't studied the matter very much.

BUT, it seems there are questions still hanging over the issue, and here is an interesting piece, when/if you have time. I think it supports your point of view:

 
Easy: the South rebelled, thus they are the traitors.
 
Hey @Lees

Nobody seems to agree with you that the North committed “treason” by defending itself from the Slaver South.
 
I never really cared much for the traitor argument. One side supported slavery and other didn't. Those who opposed it were forced to participate in it, such as returning runaway slaves, and would have been forced to participate in it more if it spread westward.

That's good enough for me.
 
Imagine rebelling in the name of institutional slavery and still thinking you're the "good guys" lol.

Then imagine the amount of mental gymnastics you have to do to bootlick the Confederacy in 2025.

A movement that didn't even last as long as Kim Kardashians marriage with Kanye.
 
The North, technically.
It was illegal for the 13 colonies to secede from Britain, which made the American Revolution treason.
I don't believe it was illegal for individual states to secede from the Union, regardless what the courts had to say. That precedent had been very clearly set by the Revolution itself.

That said, the WW2 resistance movements were illegal too. Sometimes it's just better when the "traitors" win.
 
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