Citizens referendum to abolish Qualified Immunity in Ohio clears major hurdle.

[Minerva]

What do you want? What if all that was going on is that you were late for your therapy appointment and stopping for kids in a crosswalk was going to cost you a $25 fee for being late? The cops can't pull you over for that! Besides, they never pull white people over for stuff like that.

Seems we agree that removing/limiting QI is a positive change in our laws. Just for different reasons. Cool.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Victimhood?

victimhood

1. the condition of having been hurt, damaged, or made to suffer, especially…

dictionary.cambridge.org

I'm helping with your plan to get rid of the police and install gang members as the legitimate guardians of American society!

You're pretending you're a victim of the things you make up about other people

 

[Minerva]

I'm against eliminating QI.

Being a cop you get to deal with the worst society has to offer, people at their most irrational moment, often violent and armed, and are forced to make split second decisions in life threatening situations.

It is unreasonable to expect that humans are always going to make the same decision in those circumstances as those arrived at from the arm chairs in the cheap seats under no duress or stress.

QI is a means to give cops in a most difficult job a break they deserve to have simply for the fact of being human beings.
Sure, there are people who shouldn't be cops.
I'd be more inclined to strengthen the processes which identifies them, and removes them from the job.

I'm in agreement with that statement.

 

[bomberfox]

Ohio Issue 1: Yost wants court filings that would again challenge anti-gerrymandering language thrown out

The Ballot Board voted 3-2 to defend the language on Ohio's Issue 1, which takes aim at amending redistricting rules.

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This piece of shit is truly vile. He lied openly on the ballot in my state.

 

[StillBallin75]

Abolishing qualified immunity should be a no brainer for anyone who is for freedom and limited, accountable government.

Because most right wingers are not actually for these things, they will side with the cops on this one.

 

[Bodi]

What is QI?

It is a Pass for cops that you see constantly violating peoples rights falsely arresting them and when they are told they are gonna get sued they say, "that is fine with me" kinda smuggery because they know they will just get off. It allows cops to violate citizens and face no consequences.

 

[Bodi]

I'm against eliminating QI.

Being a cop you get to deal with the worst society has to offer, people at their most irrational moment, often violent and armed, and are forced to make split second decisions in life threatening situations.

Cops that lie, plant evidence, falsely arrest people, get in violate rights, do a no knock at the wrong house, etc etc crash into people, etc deserve to be punished.

 

[eohrnberger]

Cops that lie, plant evidence, falsely arrest people, get in violate rights, do a no knock at the wrong house, etc etc crash into people, etc deserve to be punished.

No argument from me.

Curios as to why you quote only 1/2 of my post. The full post is:

I'm against eliminating QI.

Being a cop you get to deal with the worst society has to offer, people at their most irrational moment, often violent and armed, and are forced to make split second decisions in life threatening situations.

It is unreasonable to expect that humans are always going to make the same decision in those circumstances as those arrived at from the arm chairs in the cheap seats under no duress or stress.

QI is a means to give cops in a most difficult job a break they deserve to have simply for the fact of being human beings.
Sure, there are people who shouldn't be cops.
I'd be more inclined to strengthen the processes which identifies them, and removes them from the job.

Specifically you cut off this part:
"I'd be more inclined to strengthen the processes which identifies them, and removes them from the job."

Hence, no argument from me in what you posted, which I quoted, in full, here.

 

[Bodi]

No argument from me.

Curios as to why you quote only 1/2 of my post. The full post is:

I trim quotes to fit the part that I am responding to, in general. It also illustrates it to readers who might not be following our conversation and that don't hit 'expand all' to read the rest.

Like that...

Specifically you cut off this part:
"I'd be more inclined to strengthen the processes which identifies them, and removes them from the job."

Hence, no argument from me in what you posted, which I quoted, in full, here.

 

[Lutherf]

Cops that lie, plant evidence, falsely arrest people, get in violate rights, do a no knock at the wrong house, etc etc crash into people, etc deserve to be punished.

Committing an unlawful act while exercising official duties obviates qualified immunity anyway.

 

[Bodi]

Committing an unlawful act while exercising official duties obviates qualified immunity anyway.

Yet we see cops violate the law all the time and nothing happens to them because Captains and Departments have Q.I.

 

[Lutherf]

Yet we see cops violate the law all the time and nothing happens to them because Captains and Departments have Q.I.

Not really, at least not as far as I've seen. Stuff like planting drugs on a suspect is WAY out of line and when that kind of thing is caught (usually during the criminal proceedings) that opens the door for HUGE civil actions against the offending entity. Where I tend to see the QI issue come up more often is with matters such as a questionable apprehension or, perhaps, the cops raid the wrong house and stuff like that. Those matters are MUCH harder to prove that they are unlawful as opposed to a legitimate mistake or even negligent. Usually such an issue would have to rise to the level of recklessness before they get litigated.

 

[eohrnberger]

I trim quotes to fit the part that I am responding to, in general. It also illustrates it to readers who might not be following our conversation and that don't hit 'expand all' to read the rest.

Like that...

I'm more inclined to think that you're just always looking to pick a fight.

 

[Bodi]

I'm more inclined to think that you're just always looking to pick a fight.

Maybe... but you approached me regarding this.


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[Moon]

Qualified Immunity. It's the principle that certain government officials can not be prosecuted for actions that fall within their specific and lawful functions of their office.

The article refers to lawsuits, not prosecutions. What QI does is protect individual government employees (mostly cops) from being sued by the general public. If it’s removed I can see a lot of cops not responding to calls, or not taking action in a lot of cases to avoid being sued.

 

[eohrnberger]

Maybe... but you approached me regarding this.


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True. Agreeing with some of what you posted, and disagreeing with other parts of what you posted.

In whole, about 50 / 50.

 

[Questerr]

Rather than getting rid of qualified immunity entirely, the solution should be that lawsuits for police misconduct get paid from police pension funds.

If the problem really is the supposedly small number of "bad cops", then that would result in the supposed "good cops" making sure their problematic brethren would get drummed out.