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Cindy Sheehan Go Home!!!

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alienken said:
No not impossible just unlikely. If the international terrorist and public enemy #1 was in agreement with what I was spewing publicly, I would not only be embarrassed but I would take another look at my position.
Neither one of the two bits of Islamist propaganda that I've seen (they've been posted to this site by a folks out of SA) had anything about war protester or folks who want to hold America to American standards. One of them did have shots from Abu Ghraib though.
 
alienken said:
Yes, I too can point out who the idiots are. I don't remember the last time I said or done anything to make me look cool. Gimme abreak.
I did. I was just offering a reminder to you and everyone who reads it that this sort of emotional leakage isn't helpful or constructive to a debate nor to ones personal reputation. Even if you don't see it that way, I suspect that some folks think that snide asides help them score coolness points. If the shoe don't fit...
 
KidRocks said:
But...

we did question Bush, practically the whole civilized world pleaded with Bush to not attack Iraq, remember? The chimp said he didn't give a damn, he was going ahead with his pre-emptive attack on Iraq period.


And now 1800 of our brave troops are dead because of President Bush and his "cowboy-mentality'! What a fool!

No the UN voted to us force and the US Congress voted to use force, and enforcing the cease-fire agreement and UN resolutions is not a pre-emptive attack. Calling it as such is just another one of the lies from the appeasors and leftist.

And now 1800 of our brave troops are dead because of President Bush and his "cowboy-mentality'! What a fool!

Simpleton statements such as this one are what is foolish.
 
scottyz said:
Yeah! Thank God we have a President that has no regard for American and Iraqi lives and is willing to kill as many of them as possible in order to stay a course he wont reveal to anyone else.

Which if course is one of the more bogus statements I have read. Do you really have to stoop to such hyperbole because your arguement is so lacking in actual substance?
 
KidRocks said:
You don't really give a damn about our troops, do you?

It's becoming clear to most here that it's all about Bush to you Bush cheerleaders, it's 'President Bush this and President Bush that' and I've noticed that our troops always come in second when you dittoheads start heaping your praise around.

Face it, you don't really care about the 'Iraqi' people either do you? In fact, most of you r-wing extremists couldn't even point to Iraq on the map before Bush attacked, rag-heads is how you referred to the people in the Middle-east, camel-jockeys is what most dittoheads called them. I remember now!

I am a Vietnam Vet. I'm wondering what you know about the Chain of Command and what that means to someone in the military. I fought along South Vietnamese soldiers along with other's from other countries. Our boys are doing this now in Iraq. I have no problem understanding the Chain of Command and how someone like Casey Sheehan would even re-enlist while serving in Iraq.

Believeing in something when you are actually the one's in the midst of it can be very different from those who view it from thousands of miles away. I note that this morning on Imus, Charles began the news with, "Well I-man, more bad news out of Iraq this morning." He then went on to tell of 4 Marines killed in a bombing. I have never heard Charles say a word about the good things our troops are doing in Iraq so what would you expect the people here to think of our efforts there. You would expect them to base what they think on what our media tells them. This is the media that tells you what they want, not what is going on; only the part they want.

I just wondered what you thought of the Chain of Command and what it means to those of us with military experience that support our troops, support our President and more importantly, support the war?
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First of all Bush has got to have the most stressfull job around and at this point it's not getting any less at this timeso he went to relax and is on vacation. If Cindy or anyone wants some answers or anything from him why doesn't she wait till he goes back on the job atleast. That's the reason why he's ignoring her. The mans taking a break. Also a friend lost her husband of a year in Iraq the same day their baby was born. I have nothing but respect for her and the proud way she has honored his memory for herself, the baby, and everyone else. She has made him into the hero that he is for serving over there-- not once or twice but he was on his third voluntary tour over there. What a hero they both are!
 
Oh what a load of crap....Bush found time to interrupt his vacation to get involved in the Terri Shiavo incident...he flew back to DC to sign papers in favor of prolonging this womans vegetative state yet he can't be bothered by this woman who lost her son to a f**king lie! As far as him needing a vacation....he has been on vacation more than any other president and at a time of war?!?!
 
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That's a good point- I forgot about that Shiavo thing. I don't agree with the Iraq war necessarly but I just don't think she is honoring her son's memory correctly by going there and creating a media frenzy.
 
Coyotechic said:
Oh what a load of crap....Bush found time to interrupt his vacation to get involved in the Terri Shiavo incident...he flew back to DC to sign papers in favor of prolonging this womans vegetative state yet he can't be bothered by this woman who lost her son to a f**king lie!

What good can come from his meeting with her? I've always thought this operation in Iraq was a complete mistake. But now that we're there, we own it. What's going to happen if we pull out? Personally I think things will become worse. So pulling out, which is what she's asking, isn't an option. So if he did meet with her, what good could come from it?
 
Cindy Sheehan, simply, isn't worth it.

After 14 marines were killed last week, the President consoled their loved ones by ensuring them that they had died for a noble cause. This enraged Cindy, who says their deaths are not noble, but meaningless.

The fact is....her son and those Marines were not the terrorists' primary target. She and any American civilian standing by are. Our enemies know the Marines and soldiers won't quit. But they hope America's civilians will. Cindy Sheehan and her liberal friends are doing their best to convince America to quit and give the terrorists their victory. Iraq is already won, but quitting before it is time to leave is a sured victory to our enemy. Her son joined the military, and re-enlisted to fight in Iraq. He gave his life defending his fellow soldiers. She has debased his sacrifice, and those of many other soldiers and Marines, for her own political purposes. Her son would be ashamed.

It's amazing how grief will misdirect a person's anger.
 
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Cindy Sheehan has given a voice to the people who know this lie is killing our children every day....she has her personal reasons...the supporters have a bigger question for Bush. The neo-cons can continue to spin this any way they like but it's not working any more...people are beginning to see that this whole mess in Iraq was a lie! Of course we can't just cut and run now...but will anyone ask Bush why he thought he could sucessfully destabalize the middle east when noone before him thought it was a sound idea?This is a lesson in futility and America had better wake up before the Shrub moves on with his next target on the PNAC agenda
 
Coyotechic said:
Oh what a load of crap....Bush found time to interrupt his vacation to get involved in the Terri Shiavo incident...he flew back to DC to sign papers in favor of prolonging this womans vegetative state yet he can't be bothered by this woman who lost her son to a f**king lie! As far as him needing a vacation....he has been on vacation more than any other president and at a time of war?!?!

What President Took the Longest Vacation? (And Other Fun Facts)By HNN Staff

UPDATE 8-4-05: This week President Bush begins a planned five week "working vacation" at his home in Crawford, Texas. According to the Associated Press, this is Bush's 49th trip to the Crawford ranch since becoming president. As of August 3, 2005, the president had spent all or part of 319 days at the ranch.

JAMES MADISON
The Longest Vacation

The War of 1812 was over. His administration was nearly at an end. So Madison, tired and eager to get away, slipped out of Washington in June 1816 and didn't return until October. His four-month vacation was the longest of any president.
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JOHN ADAMS
Seven Months on the Farm

In his celebrated biography, David McCullough insists that John Adams made greater sacrifices on behalf of the Revolution than almost any other Founding Father. Stingingly, McCullough observes, Jefferson went home during a critical moment in the deliberations of the Continental Congress while Adams remained, there to fight illness, the flies and his fellow politicians. Poor Abigail had to put up with long absences.

But in the summer of 1798, during Adams's presidency, when Abigail fell ill--at the height of our undeclared war with France--Adams ran home to be with her. He remained with her on their farm in Massachusetts seven long months. No other president stayed away from the capitol as long. Enemies joked that he had abdicated.
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THOMAS JEFFERSON
Runner Up

Jefferson never liked to be away from Monticello and in 1805 decided he need not be away as long as previously during his administration. He left for home mid-July and did not come back until October, setting the precedent for long presidential vacations which Madison was to improve upon. (As vice president, in 1799, Jefferson had remained away from the capital even longer--ten months.)
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CHESTER ARTHUR
His Mysterious Vacations

About a year into his presidency, Arthur developed an illness that was to kill him: Bright's disease, a kidney disorder, which in the nineteenth century was always fatal. Ailing and losing weight, Arthur began traveling around the country in search of climates more congenial to his condition than swampy Washington. On one trip--to Florida--he nearly died. His last year in office he repeatedly voyaged west, attracting crowds along with critical headlines. Why on earth was Chet Arthur doing so much traveling people wanted to know. He never told them. When reporters asked if he was ill he pretended nothing was wrong, though on one occasion he had holed up in New York City because he was too ill to make it back to the capital. He died shortly after leaving the presidency. Only then did Americans begin to understand the reason for his mysterious vacations. (He was, incidentally, the fist president to lie about his health. None had lied before him because they did not have to--the press did not make a president's health an issue of public debate until Garfield's death. Garfield had lingered for three long months after he had been shot. Newspaper circulation shot up when reporters began providing daily presidential health bulletins.)
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GROVER CLEVELAND
It's Cancer, Sir

His second term was barely a week old when the economy collapsed. It was at this moment that Cleveland discovered he had cancer. His doctor told him an operation was essential to survival. Worried that the news might further destabilize Wall Street, Cleveland chose to keep his cancer a secret. That July when he took his annual vacation he underwent a furtive operation to remove the cancerous tissue, which extended up into his eye socket. The operation took place aboard a yacht to decrease the chances of discovery. Afterward, Cleveland retreated to Buzzards Bay in Massachusetts to recover. The country finally learned the truth about Cleveland's summer vacation in 1917, when one of his doctors related the story in an article in the Saturday Evening Post. By then Cleveland was long dead.
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DWIGHT EISENHOWER
Vacations Aren't Good For You

Eisenhower was just a few months into his first term when he took his first vacation, in Augusta, Georgia, at his favorite golf club. There he suffered what now appears to have been his first presidential heart attack. (He'd had another apparent heart attack in 1949, which was covered up.) His spokesman put out the word that Ike was suffering from indigestion. Unfortunately, Ike could not afford to rest. The very next day he was scheduled to return to Washington to deliver his first major foreign policy address, in which he was to hold out an olive branch to the Soviet Union, which was undergoing change as a result of the recent death of Joseph Stalin. Despite his illness Ike insisted on returning to Washington and delivered his speech as scheduled, though he nearly collapsed. To steady himself he had to grab hold of the lectern. Beads of sweat formed on his forehead. He finally succeeded in finishing the speech only by skipping whole paragraphs.

In 1955 Ike was on a vacation in Colorado when he was struck by yet another heart attack. It was serious and this time the country was told everything. Ike remained in convalescence for months. When he was able to return, he made frequent trips for relaxation to Camp David, the presidential retreat established by FDR. Ike when he became president had wanted to get rid of Camp David as an unnecessary extravagance--and as an all too vivid symbol of his famous Democratic predecessor. Mamie had forced him to keep it.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- BILL CLINTON
The Margin of Error is Plus or Minus Two Points

Clinton, famously, loved to party with the rich and famous in Martha’s Vineyard and the Hamptons. But in 1995 and 1996 he went to Jackson Hole, Wyoming for his summer vacation, on the advice of Dick Morris, who cited polls showing it would be to Clinton's advantage. Even Morris later admitted it was a dumb idea.
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RONALD REAGAN
The Western White House

Ronald Reagan loved his ranch in Santa Barbara, California. According to the Associated Press, "Reagan spent all or part of 335 days in Santa Barbara over his eight-year presidency."

http://hnn.us/articles/202.html
 
Coyotechic said:
Cindy Sheehan has given a voice to the people who know this lie is killing our children every day....she has her personal reasons...the supporters have a bigger question for Bush. The neo-cons can continue to spin this any way they like but it's not working any more...people are beginning to see that this whole mess in Iraq was a lie! Of course we can't just cut and run now...but will anyone ask Bush why he thought he could sucessfully destabalize the middle east when noone before him thought it was a sound idea?This is a lesson in futility and America had better wake up before the Shrub moves on with his next target on the PNAC agenda

I'm fan of Bush and Co. But just because it hadn't been done before doesn't mean it couldn't be done. A lot of folks said the elections back in Jan. were going to be a complete mess and waste of time. Turns out they went pretty darn good. Just because no one else has managed to make head way in the Mid-east doesn't mean he can't or shouldn't try.

I love the Keys, headed to Marathon in Nov. Which one are you on?
 
SKILMATIC said:
Hey I didnt know hitler would free a nation under tyranny? I didnt know hitler would sacrifice his own countrys wellness and economy to engage in a war against terror and genocide? I thought hitler was a tyranist himself wasnt he? Or mabe your referring to a different hitler?

So he wouldn't have "freed" Russia from a Tyrannt (adding another is not the question right now)
 
cnredd said:
What President Took the Longest Vacation? (And Other Fun Facts)By HNN Staff

UPDATE 8-4-05: This week President Bush begins a planned five week "working vacation" at his home in Crawford, Texas. According to the Associated Press, this is Bush's 49th trip to the Crawford ranch since becoming president. As of August 3, 2005, the president had spent all or part of 319 days at the ranch.

JAMES MADISON
The Longest Vacation

The War of 1812 was over. His administration was nearly at an end. So Madison, tired and eager to get away, slipped out of Washington in June 1816 and didn't return until October. His four-month vacation was the longest of any president.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
JOHN ADAMS
Seven Months on the Farm

In his celebrated biography, David McCullough insists that John Adams made greater sacrifices on behalf of the Revolution than almost any other Founding Father. Stingingly, McCullough observes, Jefferson went home during a critical moment in the deliberations of the Continental Congress while Adams remained, there to fight illness, the flies and his fellow politicians. Poor Abigail had to put up with long absences.

But in the summer of 1798, during Adams's presidency, when Abigail fell ill--at the height of our undeclared war with France--Adams ran home to be with her. He remained with her on their farm in Massachusetts seven long months. No other president stayed away from the capitol as long. Enemies joked that he had abdicated.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
THOMAS JEFFERSON
Runner Up

Jefferson never liked to be away from Monticello and in 1805 decided he need not be away as long as previously during his administration. He left for home mid-July and did not come back until October, setting the precedent for long presidential vacations which Madison was to improve upon. (As vice president, in 1799, Jefferson had remained away from the capital even longer--ten months.)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
CHESTER ARTHUR
His Mysterious Vacations

About a year into his presidency, Arthur developed an illness that was to kill him: Bright's disease, a kidney disorder, which in the nineteenth century was always fatal. Ailing and losing weight, Arthur began traveling around the country in search of climates more congenial to his condition than swampy Washington. On one trip--to Florida--he nearly died. His last year in office he repeatedly voyaged west, attracting crowds along with critical headlines. Why on earth was Chet Arthur doing so much traveling people wanted to know. He never told them. When reporters asked if he was ill he pretended nothing was wrong, though on one occasion he had holed up in New York City because he was too ill to make it back to the capital. He died shortly after leaving the presidency. Only then did Americans begin to understand the reason for his mysterious vacations. (He was, incidentally, the fist president to lie about his health. None had lied before him because they did not have to--the press did not make a president's health an issue of public debate until Garfield's death. Garfield had lingered for three long months after he had been shot. Newspaper circulation shot up when reporters began providing daily presidential health bulletins.)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
GROVER CLEVELAND
It's Cancer, Sir

His second term was barely a week old when the economy collapsed. It was at this moment that Cleveland discovered he had cancer. His doctor told him an operation was essential to survival. Worried that the news might further destabilize Wall Street, Cleveland chose to keep his cancer a secret. That July when he took his annual vacation he underwent a furtive operation to remove the cancerous tissue, which extended up into his eye socket. The operation took place aboard a yacht to decrease the chances of discovery. Afterward, Cleveland retreated to Buzzards Bay in Massachusetts to recover. The country finally learned the truth about Cleveland's summer vacation in 1917, when one of his doctors related the story in an article in the Saturday Evening Post. By then Cleveland was long dead.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
DWIGHT EISENHOWER
Vacations Aren't Good For You

Eisenhower was just a few months into his first term when he took his first vacation, in Augusta, Georgia, at his favorite golf club. There he suffered what now appears to have been his first presidential heart attack. (He'd had another apparent heart attack in 1949, which was covered up.) His spokesman put out the word that Ike was suffering from indigestion. Unfortunately, Ike could not afford to rest. The very next day he was scheduled to return to Washington to deliver his first major foreign policy address, in which he was to hold out an olive branch to the Soviet Union, which was undergoing change as a result of the recent death of Joseph Stalin. Despite his illness Ike insisted on returning to Washington and delivered his speech as scheduled, though he nearly collapsed. To steady himself he had to grab hold of the lectern. Beads of sweat formed on his forehead. He finally succeeded in finishing the speech only by skipping whole paragraphs.

In 1955 Ike was on a vacation in Colorado when he was struck by yet another heart attack. It was serious and this time the country was told everything. Ike remained in convalescence for months. When he was able to return, he made frequent trips for relaxation to Camp David, the presidential retreat established by FDR. Ike when he became president had wanted to get rid of Camp David as an unnecessary extravagance--and as an all too vivid symbol of his famous Democratic predecessor. Mamie had forced him to keep it.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- BILL CLINTON
The Margin of Error is Plus or Minus Two Points

Clinton, famously, loved to party with the rich and famous in Martha’s Vineyard and the Hamptons. But in 1995 and 1996 he went to Jackson Hole, Wyoming for his summer vacation, on the advice of Dick Morris, who cited polls showing it would be to Clinton's advantage. Even Morris later admitted it was a dumb idea.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
RONALD REAGAN
The Western White House

Ronald Reagan loved his ranch in Santa Barbara, California. According to the Associated Press, "Reagan spent all or part of 335 days in Santa Barbara over his eight-year presidency."

http://hnn.us/articles/202.html

I don't think Presidents even take vacations. With all the electronic communications any more, they're at work where ever they are. Yes, even when clearing brush.

You forgot Truman, go look up how much time he spent in Key West.
 
The situation in Iraq is anything but good...the minute we leave it will become a theocracy, if not before. Everybody prior to the Bush gang knew destabalizing the middle east was a very bad idea and no sound exit strategy could be found, if we did take action....will Bush et al accomplish it...very doubtful. Most of the "good" news you hear about are the people living in the green zone (protected area) this isn't a realistic accounting of the situation, when we leave, this area will revert to civil war
 
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Pacridge said:
I don't think Presidents even take vacations. With all the electronic communications any more, they're at work where ever they are. Yes, even when clearing brush.
From the article...UPDATE 8-4-05: This week President Bush begins a planned five week "working vacation" at his home in Crawford, Texas.
Pacridge said:
You forgot Truman, go look up how much time he spent in Key West.
I didn't "forget" anything...I just provided a source...If you would like to expound, I'm not stoppin' ya!:2wave:
 
"people are beginning to see that this whole mess in Iraq was a lie!"

This is incorrect. The polls are down, because people are tired of it. The American people are fickle and impatient. They have proven to be so time and again.

"but will anyone ask Bush why he thought he could sucessfully destabalize the middle east when noone before him thought it was a sound idea?"

Only two recent American presidents had the courage needed for anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush. Reagan ended the Cold War and Bush, supported only by the social democrat Blair acting on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic fight against democracy. His place in history will have to be evaluated after a number of years have passed. The way I see it...it's better to "destabalize" the Middle East than to to appease it's terror tactics and organization. Iran has got to be next.

It's easy to maybe be too hard on President Bush. He is the current President in our present time. It's useful to recall the burdens and endeavors of the nation's two most successful commanders in chief, Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt. - And, no, I'm not suggesting Bush is another Lincoln or Roosevelt. But even if Bush hasn't reached their lofty heights, neither has he experienced their depths of despair. We are losing two or three soldiers a day in Iraq. Lincoln lost an average of 250 daily for four years, Roosevelt 300 daily for more than 3 1/2 years. If they could overcome such numbing losses to prevail against far more formidable foes than we face now, it's ludicrous to give in to today's fashionable funk of desecrating our nations elected leader.

Past the War, there really isn't any reason that people "hate" their President. It's just given liberals an excuse to attack another political party and they welcome, even pray, for the next scandal that will help them in the next election and embarrass us to European haters, while unconsciously lending support to our enemy. At least the sheep that follow along can relish in the distinction that they can't do as much damage as their appeasing leaders. The rest of the world and American troops can all go to hell, after all, none of us fit their agenda.
 
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(quote) Reagan ended the Cold War ..

This is subject to opinion...some believe the USSR was ripe for failure and economically backrupt due to their fervor in competing with the US escalation of war toys/games...Reagan was at the right place at the right time, to step into the victors seat......

(quote) The way I see it...it's better to "destabalize" the Middle East than to to appease it's terror tactics and organization. Iran has got to be next.

When will you people realize that our actions in Iraq and support for Israel are what is creating terrorists now and before 9/11
 
cnredd said:
Anyone like my new signature?:smile:

I like it. I have never had anybody explain how somebody can say they support the troops while condemning their purpose, mission, activity andor commander in chief.
 
It isn't only President Bush that's on vacation. Every member, Democrat and Republican, of congress is on vacation too. They are meeting with constituents, raising money, fishing, clearing brush and keeping awfully quiet about Cindy Sheehan. Believe me, if Cindy was a good thing Hillary, John, Teddy and all the rest would be out there singing their praise for her. They're not. They're smart (well). They know that it is the minority that put their support behind Cindy because other families have lost sons in Iraq and they knew their sons wanted to be there and were proud of their service, just like Casey Sheehan. No death in Iraq has been meaningless except in the eyes of those who view it like Cindy.

Remember Casey Sheehan? The one that died? You think he didn't support the President? You think he didn't want to be in Iraq? Letters to his family and his actions suggest he was very, very proud to be serving in Iraq and proud of his President and what he and his fellow troups were doing in Iraq. His mom didn't agree with her son. Don't think this protest is based on who Casey was or what he thought. This is all Cindy and the media. The left has been losing on all political fronts in recent years including in Europe and Canada. Let the media tell you what to think with their "bad news" attitude. It didn't affect Casey.

I read someone here still pushing the "Cindy is doing this out of grief" explanation. It doesn't wash with her own family. There are those who tout her husband divorcing her as somehow important to this protest. That's not true either. Everyone wants a piece of Cindy and why? Our media makes it a story. Without the truely stupid statements by people like Chris Mathews or that failed sportscaster Keith Olberman, Cindy would just be Cindy. What does that mean? Ask the mothers and fathers that have lost their sons in Iraq and support the President. The media won't.
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"The situation in Iraq is anything but good...the minute we leave it will become a theocracy, if not before. Everybody prior to the Bush gang knew destabalizing the middle east was a very bad idea and no sound exit strategy could be found, if we did take action....will Bush et al accomplish it...very doubtful. Most of the "good" news you hear about are the people living in the green zone (protected area) this isn't a realistic accounting of the situation, when we leave, this area will revert to civil war"

This is not true. Iraq is in good shape. However the day-to-day events make it seem...on the whole Iraq is not as bad as you think. The media makes every mortar round sound like the end of the world and every car bomb seem like a nuclear explosion. There is more violence and deaths in some American cities than in Iraq. If Iraq fails in the end, it will be an Iraqi and Middle eastern failure.nnnnot an American one. We gave them a chance and it is all we can do. We can not force this and after we leave (sooner before later), it will be on their shoulders to succeed.

By the way, there is no "green zone". I was in the Al-Anbar Province for 8 months, which is the most violent area. It is located between Baghdad and Syria. There is more good than bad. Schools and other buildings are being erected. Infrastructure is reaching out to outlying villages. Sadly, this does not make for good news. A car bomb does. The more "protected" areas are Baghdad and south to Kuwait and they receive a fair amount of mortar attacks from time to time. The media is in the North and that is why the terrorists have decided to focus their murder of civilians through their use of explosives. This area of concentrated media attention, is also Sunni heavy. They miss their fallen leader.
 
GySgt...maybe you could tell us why the reserves are doing their third tours of duty under the "stop loss action" and how this might give these guys/girls a slightly different view of the situation in Iraq? To those who aren't aware of the stop loss action...check it out..it basicly means theres no end to their service as long as they are needed to fight a war.
 
"When will you people realize that our actions in Iraq and support for Israel are what is creating terrorists now and before 9/11"

Never, because it isn't completely true. Middle Eastern terrorism is the product of oppression. The oil rich Arabs and dictators of the Middde East have hijacked the Islamic religion over the decades and condemn all those that would defy their governments. The people have been taught by bitter old men and Clerics that defying their governments is an act of blasphemy against "Allah". To maintain power from would be rebellions, the people have been brain washed in believing that their oppressions and lack of individual opportunity for success is the fault of America and Israel. According to Allah, the Jews are on Muslim land and America (the great satan) protects it from it's rightful owners. When in fact it is their practice of the Arab's version of Islam that has oppressed them. They are a product of their own failing civilization. Blaming others is always more comfortable. America has defended Israel since it's induction to the U.N. Other nations (Europe) also receive our protection. What makes Israel a country in which we should betray? What's so special about Europe? At least Israel hasn't betrayed us.

Any fundamentalists that are in the Middle East already hated us. They didn't just decide to.
 
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