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Christopher Hitchens Takes a Call From a Sufi Muslim

This would be the skepticism part of beliefs and skepticism.


Islam is the enemy of freedom, tolerance and democracy. It is totalitarian, with a programme of word conquest and its own cruel and unjust legal system. It is disastrous that Islam has been allowed to establish a foothold in Europe - learn from our mistake America!
 
Islam is the enemy of freedom, tolerance and democracy. It is totalitarian, with a programme of word conquest and its own cruel and unjust legal system. It is disastrous that Islam has been allowed to establish a foothold in Europe - learn from our mistake America!
Sufi. Esoteric, mystical, pacifist.
Ever hear of Jalal al-din Rumi? Ever hear of the Mehlevi Dervishes?

"The eye through which you see God is the same eye through which God sees you."
-Jalal al-din Rumi-
 
A great enemy of religion.

At any rate, regardless of any of his points about some sort of inherent evil in the notion of using jihad to spread one specific version of the magic sky man, I have to wonder whether or not it is Christianity that has done the most total evil in claimed service of its version of the magic sky man.

We should probably suppose that most people who pop in to say how much they liked his point are more likely to be coming from the 'ewww muslim' angle, and not necessarily Hitchens's (himself being a great enemy of religion in general).
 
A great enemy of religion.

At any rate, regardless of any of his points about some sort of inherent evil in the notion of using jihad to spread one specific version of the magic sky man, I have to wonder whether or not it is Christianity that has done the most total evil in claimed service of its version of the magic sky man.

We should probably suppose that most people who pop in to say how much they liked his point are more likely to be coming from the 'ewww muslim' angle, and not necessarily Hitchens's (himself being a great enemy of religion in general).
All organized religions are equally bad to me.
 
Islam is the enemy of freedom, tolerance and democracy. It is totalitarian, with a programme of word conquest and its own cruel and unjust legal system. It is disastrous that Islam has been allowed to establish a foothold in Europe - learn from our mistake America!

What “foothold on Europe” does Islam supposedly have? What were the Europeans supposed to do?

What “world conquest plan” do they supposedly have? Seeing as Muslims are the ones who did the bulk of the bloody work driving ISIS back, the idea that they are secretly planning ”world conquest“ sounds awful silly.
 
Islam is the enemy of freedom, tolerance and democracy. It is totalitarian, with a programme of word conquest and its own cruel and unjust legal system. It is disastrous that Islam has been allowed to establish a foothold in Europe - learn from our mistake America!
indeed. not your Islam bashing but the fact you let in so many not part of your culture
"Segregation has been allowed to go so far that we have parallel societies in Sweden. We live in the same country but in completely different realities," Andersson told a news conference.
Many of the Arabs in Sweden are migrants from Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Morocco, Palestine, Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria and Saudi Arabia. In September 2013, Swedish migration authorities ruled that all Syrian asylum seekers will be granted permanent residency in light of the worsening conflict in Syria.
 
Islam is the enemy of freedom, tolerance and democracy. It is totalitarian, with a programme of word conquest and its own cruel and unjust legal system. It is disastrous that Islam has been allowed to establish a foothold in Europe - learn from our mistake America!
As of two years ago Canada had accepted 75,000 refugees from Syria alone, seamlessly. Just because you can't do something doesn't mean it can't be done.

 
indeed. not your Islam bashing but the fact you let in so many not part of your culture
"Segregation has been allowed to go so far that we have parallel societies in Sweden. We live in the same country but in completely different realities," Andersson told a news conference.
Many of the Arabs in Sweden are migrants from Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Morocco, Palestine, Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria and Saudi Arabia. In September 2013, Swedish migration authorities ruled that all Syrian asylum seekers will be granted permanent residency in light of the worsening conflict in Syria.
Magdalena Andersson is not the Prime Minister of Sweden. She is just another failed naive leftist multi-culti fool.
 
Magdalena Andersson is not the Prime Minister of Sweden. She is just another failed naive leftist multi-culti fool.
Was she a year ago?
 
Islam is the enemy of freedom, tolerance and democracy. It is totalitarian, with a programme of word conquest and its own cruel and unjust legal system. It is disastrous that Islam has been allowed to establish a foothold in Europe - learn from our mistake America!
One could say the same about the Old Order Amish in this country to those who don't understand their way of life, or even the hyper-nationalist Evangelicals in this country. It was disastrous for Catholicism to get hold of Europe back in the day, they even slaughtered their own kind! (check out the Heretic Crusades)

Islamophobia is dysfunctional my friend. ☮️
 
One could say the same about the Old Order Amish in this country to those who don't understand their way of life, or even the hyper-nationalist Evangelicals in this country. It was disastrous for Catholicism to get hold of Europe back in the day, they even slaughtered their own kind! (check out the Heretic Crusades)

Islamophobia is dysfunctional my friend. ☮️
The Amish do not kill 'apostates' - do they? Both Catholics and Protestants were murderous is the past but then was then, Islam is a death cult now.
 
Man, I miss Hitchens. He really helped clarify my atheism for me. And he was a genuine, brilliant, articulate, humanist. That said, I always felt he somewhat missed the mark in his criticism of religion. He took an extreme view about the evils of religion, partly because he focused on responding to religious extremism. Lots of religious faithful take ancient passages with a (large) grain of salt in light of modernity. Plenty of Christians, for example, don't have a problem with homosexuality or gay marriage. The ****nuts on the other hand, aren't even ok with miscegenation. I don't think it's different in the Muslim world. I believe that most people are ok with live and let live. I say "believe" because I base this on personal experience and I don't have empirical data to substantiate my view.
 
A great enemy of religion.

At any rate, regardless of any of his points about some sort of inherent evil in the notion of using jihad to spread one specific version of the magic sky man, I have to wonder whether or not it is Christianity that has done the most total evil in claimed service of its version of the magic sky man.

We should probably suppose that most people who pop in to say how much they liked his point are more likely to be coming from the 'ewww muslim' angle, and not necessarily Hitchens's (himself being a great enemy of religion in general).
Possibly. But Hitchens was more focused on current events, when talking about Islam.
 
Is it? There are two mosques in my neighborhood. Nary a peep.
Very good to hear. One thing we can say is that Muslims, like just about anyone, do assimilate well in the United States. Their kids cannot resist the pull of wearing what they like and not being in a death cult.
 
Very good to hear. One thing we can say is that Muslims, like just about anyone, do assimilate well in the United States. Their kids cannot resist the pull of wearing what they like and not being in a death cult.
Have you ever met a Muslim?
 
The Amish do not kill 'apostates' - do they?
No longer.
Both Catholics and Protestants were murderous is the past but then was then, Islam is a death cult now.
Are you judging the whole of Islam for the actions of a few extremists? Should we condemn all Christians for the political acts of a few extremists? Sorry, but I don't believe in that broad brush approach to judgment. ☮️

Btw, there are many here that believe that fervent Christian nationalists are a death cult as well. Look at their political interference in women's health issues and their worship of guns and money. Perceptions my friend, that's all that they are. :)
 
Many! We have a sizeable Muslim community in my city.

Have you ever walked down a street in Saudi Arabia with a picture of Mohammed on your shirt?
You are falsely equating a fundamentalist government with the average "man in the street" Muslim. Saudi Arabia and Iran are the Islamic equivalent of Christian reconstructionists.

Why would you want to wear a shirt that deeply offends a lot of people? Do you have the right to? Sure. You also have the right to fly a confederate flag on pole outside your house. But why?
 
Islam is the enemy of freedom, tolerance and democracy. It is totalitarian, with a programme of word conquest and its own cruel and unjust legal system. It is disastrous that Islam has been allowed to establish a foothold in Europe - learn from our mistake America!
Lol 😂😂😂. You poor baby.
 
Many! We have a sizeable Muslim community in my city.

Have you ever walked down a street in Saudi Arabia with a picture of Mohammed on your shirt?

Have you ever been to Saudi Arabia? Why would you be deliberately offensive? I never understood the compulsion to crap on someone else's culture and traditions.
 
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