Christians and homosexuality (my two cents)

[Donkey1499]

1) I am not French
2) I find the French charming, lovable, open minded, and as a foreigner in their land, very welcoming
3) My views represent my views, nobody elses
4) Frogs is an offensive term, demonstrating your ignornance and xenophobia. Had you used the n word you'd be banned; your use of "frogs" displays the same level of idiocy.

I find xenophobe to be offensive to my intellect, but do I cry about it? Hell no. Here's some advice. Don't let a simple little word offend you. It shows your sensitivity.

 

[Jerry]

Excuse me? You're calling me a fake christian? You don't know a damned thing about christianity.
If you were a real christian, wouldn't you consider this to be of importance?
"Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercry"
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the sons of God"
"You have heard that it has been said to men of old, 'You shall not kill; and whoever kills shall be liable to judgement.' But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother is liable to judgement; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says 'You fool!' shall be liable to hell of fire."

And I could go on...
And when you say things like this:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/315123-post2.html

and this:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/311225-post5.html

or this:http://www.debatepolitics.com/228390-post147.html


and don't even get me started on your stance on illegal immigration jiving with christianity.

So please forgive me if I don't find you the most credible of sources on what is a sin, or what is not a sin, and I don't really take your criticisms of my faith with all that much seriousness.

Oh, and you want to know what seperates those bible verses that I listed up there from the bible verses the are used to justify calling homosexuality a sin? They were said by JESUS!!!

Oh snap! galenrox!
Let me go get my dress.....

 

[Urethra Franklin]

I find xenophobe to be offensive to my intellect, but do I cry about it? Hell no. Here's some advice. Don't let a simple little word offend you. It shows your sensitivity.

Try using the n word and then using that pathetic argument to the mods when they ban you.

 

[Donkey1499]

Try using the n word and then using that pathetic argument to the mods when they ban you.

Look up the n-word here and tell me which countries the word comes from:


http://www.m-w.com/

 

[Urethra Franklin]

Look up the n-word here and tell me which countries the word comes from:


http://www.m-w.com/

Irrelevant, like all your posts

 

[JustineCredible]

Look up the n-word here and tell me which countries the word comes from:


http://www.m-w.com/

...and what exactly does your bickering with Uretha have to do with the topic of this forum?

Oh, that's right...NOTHING...now shoooooooooo

 

[70s_guy]

You seem to be talking about several things.

Your first premise seems to be that God dislikes all sins equally. That is certainly non-sense. You are saying there is little or no difference between different types of sin. For example using a swear word when you are angry driving your car and someone cuts you off? God probably would prefer you not get angry and swear that could be considered a sin. But is that on the same footing as murdering an innocent mother of several small children? Of course not, and no one would try to make such an argument. David certainly paid dearly for adultery with Bathsheba then setting Uriah up to die. (2 Samuel 12:13) My guess is you actually meant something that probably makes some sense the way you were thinking about it, despite the way it came out in your statement.

The next thing you discuss is essentially about those who pressure non-believing sinners to repent and change their ways. Certainly there are many that can be very pushy, especially those pressuring relatives and friends. However that is not common with most modern day clergy or missionaries among the various Christian denominations. It ought not be surprising that close family members may argue and pressure in many less than educated and meaningful ways when talking to those they love and are attempting to change. Consider what it is.

As for homosexuality, it is mentioned in the Bible as destestable at many places both in the Old and New Testaments. St. Paul clarifies what was apparently a widely held belief by all members of the original apostles and their followers through the period identified in Acts and Corinthians I. St Paul has considerable credibility because when he first began preaching to Gentiles, he worked with Barnabas who was a very early follower of the original apostles after the resurection. Acts 4:36) Thus Paul besides having direct messages from Jesus during the period he was blinded, also worked beside a prominent follower of the early church. Further both Barnabas and Paul came to Jerusalem for a council of all the church leaders (Acts 15:6>29) where they would certainly have tried to clarify what was sinful and what was not as well as what needed to be preached. The main focus of that council was circumcision but they also condemned sexual immorality without going through the details as Paul later did in Corninthians. It would be difficult to believe there were serious differences between what Paul preached and what others in Jerusalem preached concerning sexual immorality. And some of those were the original 12 disciples that had traveled with and listened to Jesus over a long three year period. If we had to relie on just sins Jesus specifically mentioned, that would leave out a huge number of types of sins. Jesus's statements tended to be vague generalities. There is no long list of all categories of sin in any of Jesus's statements. Later clarifications by followers provided that. So an argument that relies on an exclusion is not considering the way the New Testament is written. ...David

 

[RecoveringPunk]

Your first premise seems to be that God dislikes all sins equally. That is certainly non-sense.

Is it? I'm not a theologist, nor am I even Christian, but this passage seems to say that.

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

This means that if you do so much as swear, you are completely crossing the line between righteousness and sinner. It's just one line, not a multi-tiered pyramid.

Lots of churches argue about whether or not "all sins are equal". However, there's really no way to ever know what God really said to the people who wrote this **** down.

David certainly paid dearly for adultery with Bathsheba then setting Uriah up to die. (2 Samuel 12:13)

Have you ever read the bible? David wasn't the only person who did something this heinous in history, and look at all the others. Not everyone was punished like that. In the bible, God is just as arbitrarily wrathful as he is loving.

The next thing you discuss is essentially about those who pressure non-believing sinners to repent and change their ways. Certainly there are many that can be very pushy, especially those pressuring relatives and friends. However that is not common with most modern day clergy or missionaries among the various Christian denominations. It ought not be surprising that close family members may argue and pressure in many less than educated and meaningful ways when talking to those they love and are attempting to change. Consider what it is.

Oh, like the people standing in the mall preaching to people and telling them they're going to hell if they don't change their ways? Or the people protesting outside of soldiers funerals saying that God is punishing our nation because of all the homosexuals? Yeah, I didn't think so. That paragraph was a waste of pixels.

Thus Paul besides having direct messages from Jesus during the period he was blinded, also worked beside a prominent follower of the early church. Further both Barnabas and Paul came to Jerusalem for a council of all the church leaders (Acts 15:6>29) where they would certainly have tried to clarify what was sinful and what was not as well as what needed to be preached. The main focus of that council was circumcision but they also condemned sexual immorality without going through the details as Paul later did in Corninthians.

Quotes please? I can't find my bible at the moment, and It's too early to search the house for it. I have asked several ministers, priests, and even normal Christians where in the bible it says that homosexuality is a sin. I have never EVER seen one that couldn't easily be construed as something different. Who are you to say that your interpretation is right and someone elses is wrong? Although, I guess as a Christian you're used to doing that quite a bit.


Well, yeah. Those are my thoughts about your post. Nice try though.