MikeyC
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You are a God hater apparently. I'd say you hate my God. Can't you accept that people love their own God? Live your life according the the virtues and teachings of your God and let us non-Christians love our God(s) in our own way. We are not God haters for having our own beliefs. Maybe according to your God we are God haters, but as a person in a diverse culture, you should accept that not everybody is Christian. And if you cannot, then I suppose you are a Christian Dominionist out to establish the Theocratic States of America. Tolerance is a good word. It means the willingness to accept things, even if they are different. Who has preached tolerance in the name of a hateful message? Just because it's not Christian doesn't make it evil or hateful.Shamgar said:
Shamgar said:
dogger807 said:once again you try to play the victim.
To you, someone who doesn't share your view must hate God, no middle ground. So this gives you the right to treat them less.
Well sir know this, evil done in the name of religion is still evil. Hate preached in the name of religion is still hate.
I guess it's safe to assume that if you're against slavery, you're against scripture and you're against god. How's that working for you?Shamgar said:Well since my view is from the Scriptures and what I quoted was from the Scriptures it appears you are the one who does not share the views of God . . .which of course make you a God hater. And according to your definition good (excluding homosexuals from the kingdomof heaven) is evil and evil (giving equal rights to homosexuals as Christians) is good then you are a God hater.
Isaiah 5: 20 Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! {call...: Heb. say concerning evil, It is good, etc}
btw if anyone claiming to be a Christian does compromise and come to the middle ground . . . rest assured they are a pseudochristian . . . as there is no middle ground . . . not an inch of ground given. . . period!
Shamgar said:Well since my view is from the Scriptures and what I quoted was from the Scriptures it appears you are the one who does not share the views of God . . .which of course make you a God hater. And according to your definition good (excluding homosexuals from the kingdomof heaven) is evil and evil (giving equal rights to homosexuals as Christians) is good then you are a God hater.
Isaiah 5: 20 Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! {call...: Heb. say concerning evil, It is good, etc}
btw if anyone claiming to be a Christian does compromise and come to the middle ground . . . rest assured they are a pseudochristian . . . as there is no middle ground . . . not an inch of ground given. . . period!
dogger807 said:We see each other as the greatest threat to modern society.
dogger807 said:You are an uncompromising theist where as I am an educated atheist.
dogger807 said:Quite frankly I don't care what you believe. The problem arises when you force your views on others to the point where the views of others are innately evil.
dogger807 said:We don't even have a common foundation agreed upon to conduct an intelligent argument. So for the sake of argument I will address your deity as if I believed in his existence on the fundamental level that you do.
dogger807 said:Get off your rear you sadistic tyrant. You started something centuries ago with half answers and riddles starting the worst line of cruelty in your name. Since you exist and you claim to be a caring and loving entity then you owe us, as sentient beings , proof of your will and proof that you are truly good. We are not toys to be played with and then tossed away because we don't follow your rules. Such an attitude is malicious and demeaning. Yes your all powerful but that doesn't make you always right. First you say we have free will then you establish a bunch of contractor little blurbs and expect us to find a good and responsible path. Satan had a darn good reason to repel against you didn't he? You tell us you will make us accountable for or actions when you won't for your or those who follow you.
dogger807 said:But I've allowed you to distract me from the tread's original claim once again.
An attack against christianity is not what the "gay agenda" is about. (and no I'm not gay.. see I interject the standard homophobic disclaimer.) It's nothing more than a group of people demanding their right to be treated as equals no mater their view or religious preference, or for that mater their sexual preference.
HAHAHAHA!That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. Christianity is an amalgam of other mythologies. I think you've really tipped your hand on the shallow depth of knowledge you have about Christianity. Snerk!Shamgar said:Oh you want me to "debate" on your foundation of "knowedge" which of course is cobbled together from a variety of pagan civilizations. Sorry not falling into that trap. I don't worship the philosophy of false gods like you do.
shuamort said:HAHAHAHA!That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. Christianity is an amalgam of other mythologies. I think you've really tipped your hand on the shallow depth of knowledge you have about Christianity. Snerk!
That makes no sense. I could prove Christianity is an amalgam of myths without having to prove or disprove the existance of a deity.Shamgar said:See another fallacy you would have to prove that Christianity is a myth or untrue. To do that you would have to prove that God does NOT exist. You have that proof? Your answer is of course "No!" See I knew you guys were full of funny fallacies.
MikeyC said:Virgin births are impossible.
galenrox said:I beg to differ. In my church (which is christian), our rector is gay, as is about half of our clergy.
shuamort said:That makes no sense. I could prove Christianity is an amalgam of myths without having to prove or disprove the existance of a deity.
dogger807 said:once again Shamgar you exemplify that christianity is not the victim here but the intolerant aggressor. All you do is rationalize your aggression. We let religion rule the world once and we know that time as the dark ages.
dogger807 said:There is no difference in your point of view than that of the islamic sects that preach women are object. Just a different man made religion with a different set of rules. Your persecution of "God haters" is just a Jihad by a different name.
dogger807 said:once again Shamgar you exemplify that christianity is not the victim here but the intolerant aggressor. All you do is rationalize your aggression. We let religion rule the world once and we know that time as the dark ages.
There is no difference in your point of view than that of the islamic sects that preach women are object. Just a different man made religion with a different set of rules. Your persecution of "God haters" is just a Jihad by a different name.
Do you have scientific proof of God? Do you have proof that I can't put your god in a bundt cake and eat him?Shamgar said:You have scientific proof that God cannot create a virgin birth?
The hell? Where did I concede that?Shamgar said:Okay you concede God exists.
It's a book. Like Stephen King's "Christine" or Dan Brown's "the Da Vinci Code". Yes, they're based in reality in the fact that there are cars, people, a Mona Lisa et al, but they're all works of fiction.Shamgar said:The Scriptures are the dictates of God along with the history of God' people.
Therefore? Where are you getting the therefore from? You can't just say that since the Bible exists that it proves all of the things contained in it. You have to prove it outside of the Bible. And so far, nope. Hasn't happened. After 2000+ years, no proof of an immaculate conception, a burning bush, a parting sea, the scientific impossibility of a global flood, etc.Shamgar said:Therefore it is not a myth since there is a record history of fact. Fact is not myth. You lose.
dogger807 said:First.. all of you so called facts are in of themselves debatable and do not meet the definition of such.
dogger807 said:Second at no time did I say compromise is equal to education, though in hindsight I would say the two go hand in hand.
dogger807 said:Post #54 You are an uncompromising theist where as I am an educated atheist.
dogger807 said:My statement was that we abose each others views on a very basic level you as an uncompromising fundamentalist who neither considers the right of others to be different from you nor do you have the ability to see your faith from the other point of view so you defend it as if it's truth was fundamentally apparent to all. This brings up the second absolute statement you mistakenly dirive from my postings. Islam view = Christianity view .. I never said nor implied it. I did however draw atention to the similarity between fanatics justifing their actions and beliefs on the sole merit of their religious scriptures. Your views may be different but your execution is very similar. The only difference in your arguments and theirs is your relgious point of view.
dogger807 said:And just in case you missed it ..the bible is not fact.
shuamort said:Do you have scientific proof of God?
I believe you failed to read my response about virgin births.shuamort said:That makes no sense. I could prove Christianity is an amalgam of myths without having to prove or disprove the existance of a deity.
Mithraism is pre-mythology to Christianity where its adherents believed:
Virgin birth
Twelve followers
Killing and resurrection
Miracles
Birthdate on December 25
Morality
Mankind's savior
Known as the Light of the world
Sounds like a copywrite problem right there!
Prove to me that anything that happened in the Bible that goes against science could possibly happen. Seriously, prove how Jesus could have walked on water etc...Without proof, I still see all the mysticism in the Bible as something that couldn't happen. Without proof, these stories are no more truthful than the UFO's people claim to have seen. I need proof that the Bible is true. BTW, your above statement doesn't show any use of any acceptable scientific method. It's impossible to prove God exists, but equally impossible to prove He doesn't exist, which is why I go with that he exists as the Creator of the universe, nothing more. I see NO evidence that God interferes in our lives.MikeyC said:The Bible is only a collection of words, and is no more or less holy or inherently factually accurate than your own words on this website. To create the necessary 2nd portion of DNA Mary's egg would have needed, it would have needed to have been put in their some way. As a woman, Mary is not capable of creating this 2nd portion of DNA and it can't be proven that you can create something out of nothing. God would have needed to create something out of nothing to put this DNA into Mary.
No they haven't. Show your work. Give us 3 examples since you're acting as though they're that common of a scientist proving that there is indeed the existence of God through empirical evidence.Shamgar said:Yup. Scinetist have proven the existence of God through their research/observations time and time again.
Your response about how they're impossible? Well, they're impossible using most standards from before, they are possible now. A woman may have a fertilized egg inserted and carry it to term without having sexual intercourse. An immaculate conception on the other hand, where a deity instead of a human inseminates an egg, well that's just silly.MikeyC said:I believe you failed to read my response about virgin births.
shuamort said:No they haven't. Show your work. Give us 3 examples since you're acting as though they're that common of a scientist proving that there is indeed the existence of God through empirical evidence.
MikeyC said:I do not hate Christians. I do not approve of intolerance.
Of course you do since you want them to compromise their beliefs . . . compromising their beliefs would bring the wrath of God down on them . . . and that is exactly what you desire. . .
MikeyC said:And you missed that whole list of proof of why the Bible is false?
A magical list . . . . . which proved what . . . that it is a list? You forgot the scientific evidence that God could not create a virgin birth. . . .
MikeyC said:It's impossible to prove God exists, but equally impossible to prove He doesn't exist, which is why I go with that he exists as the Creator of the universe, nothing more. I see NO evidence that God interferes in our lives.
Ah you would have to prove that something is impossible before you could claim it is impossible. And since the SCriptures clearly state it is possible and scientists have proven those facts then you are blowing hot air . . . .
And Stephen King's "Christine" clearly states it's possible for a car to have a mind to kill on its own. And scientists have proven that cars can kill. So it must be true!Shamgar said:Ah you would have to prove that something is impossible before you could claim it is impossible. And since the SCriptures clearly state it is possible and scientists have proven those facts then you are blowing hot air . . . .
shuamort said:And Stephen King's "Christine" clearly states it's possible for a car to have a mind to kill on its own. And scientists have proven that cars can kill. So it must be true!
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