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Christianity - the real target of hate in gay issue

shuamort said:
Preaching is different from teaching. Since you're obviously ignorant about what the bible says, I'm teaching it to you. If I were to believe in that large book of bullcrap, then I'd be preaching it. See the difference?
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Yeah "Bill" are you going to argue over the definition of "Is" now? hahahahahahahahaha


Wow someone who can't understand the SCriptures is "explaning" the Scriptures to me . . . .hahahahahaha . . . I am glad we were not in agreement on the meaning then . . .




Don't judge people? That again for proving your a clueless on the Scriptures . . .

 
Shamgar said:
Yeah "Bill" are you going to argue over the definition of "Is" now? hahahahahahahahaha
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Was that a rebuttal or a concession?

If you can't debate without your cartoon friends, then why are you here? It's like you choose to be spoonfed those things and don't have to think because "the cartoon says so". :roll: Go back to your book of Matthew 7:1-5 and explain that away. Your cartoon sure attempts to skip over Matthew by skipping over to another passage and then making it up from there.
 
shuamort said:
Was that a rebuttal or a concession?
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I believe it is what you would call a sarcastic remark in response to your fallacy. . . and "no" I didn't concede any points.



I am following debate protocol. I make a statement and back it up with proof . . . .unlike you. All those "cartoons" are clear and accurate stances from Scriptures backed up by two or three corroborating witnesses from Scriptures. Don't complain when I come prepared and you have only your unsubstantiated opinions as "proof."
You are upset since I am not a dumb sheep that falls for your "bible lessons."


 
Shamgar said:
I believe it is what you would call a sarcastic remark in response to your fallacy. . . and "no" I didn't concede any points.
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You didn't concede your point? Then prove that I was preaching.

Shamgar said:
I am following debate protocol.
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Debate protocol would mean your own words and proof. Not cartoons.
Shamgar said:
I make a statement and back it up with proof . . . .unlike you.
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No you don't. You just lamely use a cartoon to make a statement.

Shamgar said:
All those "cartoons" are clear and accurate stances from Scriptures backed up by two or three corroborating witnesses from Scriptures.
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Really? Let's dig a bit deeper then.


"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. (John 3:16-17)



When the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together, and one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. "Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?" He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." (Matthew 22:34-40)


Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For with the judgment you make you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. (Matthew 7:1-2)


"Do not judge, and you will not be judged; do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven; give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap; for the measure you give will be the measure you get back." He also told them a parable: "Can a blind person guide a blind person? Will not both fall into a pit? A disciple is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully qualified will be like the teacher. Why do you see the speck in your neighbor's eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye? Or how can you say to your neighbor, 'Friend, let me take out the speck in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbor's eye. No good tree bears bad fruit, nor again does a bad tree bear good fruit; for each tree is known by its own fruit. Figs are not gathered from thorns, nor are grapes picked from a bramble bush. The good person out of the good treasure of the heart produces good, and the evil person out of evil treasure produces evil; for it is out of the abundance of the heart that the mouth speaks. Why do you call me 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I tell you? I will show you what someone is like who comes to me, hears my words, and acts on them. That one is like a man building a house, who dug deeply and laid the foundation on rock; when a flood arose, the river burst against that house but could not shake it, because it had been well built. But the one who hears and does not act is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. When the river burst against it, immediately it fell, and great was the ruin of that house." (Luke 6:37-49)



"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and he will put the sheep at his right hand and the goats at the left. Then the king will say to those at his right hand, 'Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,
I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.' Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?' And the king will answer them, "Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.' Then he will say to those at his left hand, 'You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.' Then they also will answer, 'Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?' Then he will answer them, "Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." (Matthew 25:31-46)

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat; therefore, do whatever they teach you and follow it; but do not do as they do, for they do not practice what they teach. They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on the shoulders of others; but they themselves are unwilling to lift a finger to move them. They do all their deeds to be seen by others; for they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long. They love to have the place of honor at banquets and the best seats in the synagogues, and to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces, and to have people call them rabbi. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all students. And call no one your father on earth, for you have one Father—the one in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Messiah. The greatest among you will be your servant. All who exalt themselves will be humbled, and all who humble themselves will be exalted.

"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you lock people out of the kingdom of heaven. For you do not go in yourselves, and when others are going in, you stop them. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cross sea and land to make a single convert, and you make the new convert twice as much a child of hell as yourselves. Woe to you, blind guides, who say, "Whoever swears by the sanctuary is bound by nothing, but whoever swears by the gold of the sanctuary is bound by the oath.' You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the sanctuary that has made the gold sacred? And you say, "Whoever swears by the altar is bound by nothing, but whoever swears by the gift that is on the altar is bound by the oath.' How blind you are! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred? So whoever swears by the altar, swears by it and by everything on it; and whoever swears by the sanctuary, swears by it and by the one who dwells in it; and whoever swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by the one who is seated upon it. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. It is these you ought to have practiced without neglecting the others. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel! Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup, so that the outside also may become clean. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which on the outside look beautiful, but inside they are full of the bones of the dead and of all kinds of filth. So you also on the outside look righteous to others, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous, and you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' Thus you testify against yourselves that you are descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your ancestors. You snakes, you brood of vipers! How can you escape being sentenced to hell?

Therefore I send you prophets, sages, and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town, so that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. Truly I tell you, all this will come upon this generation. Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often have I desired to gather your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! See, your house is left to you, desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, "Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord.' " (Matthew 23)

Hmm, those show that the only person a Christian should judge is themself only.
 
I'm sure you'll pull the following quotes out with your cartoons:
First off, what do all of those have in common? NONE were said by Jesus.

Let's go further down the line and examine all of those individually:
Lev.19:15
"In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."

the actual command is
Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
or, rendered in the NIV
'Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly."
In other words, when one is called to judge in a case of law, refrain from allowing the wealth of one party to compromise your decision.

Jn.7:24
"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

The "judgement" in this passage is not the judging of a person, but the application of good judgement to situations. (I realize that among those who wish to impose arbitrary literalism on everything, such complex distinctions are difficult.)

1 Cor.2:15
"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."

Again, the passage clearly establishes that the judgement is applied to situations or actions, not to people. Only in the second clause is a judgement of a person, indicated, and there it says "he will not be judged."

1 Cor.5:12-13
"For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person."


At last! We actually have an instance in which a person may be judged! And what is Paul's actual command? If someone among the community of Corinth is publicly engaging in immorality, or engaging in greedy or swindling business practices, or committing idolatry, they are to be excluded from the community to avoid giving scandal, (i.e., excommunicated.) There is no command to judge the person, only to judge the actions, and if they give scandal, to put the person outside the community. And what does he say of those outside the community? God will judge them.

1 Cor.6:2-3
"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?."

But, the passage goes on to say:
1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Note that the statement regarding the judging of the world is juxtaposed with judging the angels and is contrasted with judging things in "this life."

Paul is addressing the issue of members of the Corinthian community filing tort actions against each other over petty complaints. He notes that at the end, the saints will be qualified to judge the world, but that at this time, the community should be able to find some wise member to act as a judge or mediator for small disputes so that they are not giving scandal outside the community.
Again, no one is given permission (much less a commmand) to judge the quality of a person--only to referee private disputes between individuals.



Shamgar said:
Don't complain when I come prepared and you have only your unsubstantiated opinions as "proof."
You are upset since I am not a dumb sheep that falls for your "bible lessons."
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Prepared is cartoons? I should have kept my old newspapers with Ziggy in 'em then.
 
shuamort said:
I'm sure you'll pull the following quotes out with your cartoons:

First off, what do all of those have in common? NONE were said by Jesus.
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See another lesson from the real hate group . . . . Well "scholar" this one is a quote from Jesus:

Jn.7:24: "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

and the others are quotes from imitators of Jesus or forerunners of Jesus . . . .





. . . And with that the "lesson" falls apart . . .
 

Umm... Maybe we should put this in context. This is the New King James Version:

John 7: 21-24

(21)Jesus answered and said to them, "I did one work, and you all marvel. (22)Moses therefore gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. (23)If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the law of Moses should not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath? (24)Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

Do you really think, with this verse in context, that Jesus was saying, "You can judge people?" No. This is the main problem with your silly little cartoons: None of them are in context.
 


Let's see according to the context, you are unable to judge/understand/teach/critique the Scriptures or me since you do not have the mind of Christ . . . you lose.

1 Cor 2: 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them , because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged by no man. {judgeth: or, discerneth} {judged: or, discerned} 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. {may: Gr. shall}
 

What's the point of you being in a debate forum?

Whether you like/believe it or not, 90% of everything Jesus said I agree with. He was a pascifist, which I thought I did a good job of proving in post #24. You know, the one you didn't respond to?

You can respond with an intelligent argument, or you can concede. Calling me a natural man, even though you don't know me or my religion, isn't an argument. It's a hiding place.
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
What's the point of you being in a debate forum?

Whether you like/believe it or not, 90% of everything Jesus said I agree with. He was a pascifist, which I thought I did a good job of proving in post #24. You know, the one you didn't respond to?
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Obviously it is to shut the mouths of the false teachers, such as yourself. Big deal . . . you need to agree with Him 100% for it to matter.

Gandhi>Bush said:
You can respond with an intelligent argument, or you can concede. Calling me a natural man, even though you don't know me or my religion, isn't an argument. It's a hiding place.
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Oh but you are the one hiding . . . I have clearly indicated what your beliefs are by your images you portray without you even saying. You have yet to clearly state your religion. . . not that it really matters . . . You have yet to provide a single argument backed by relavent facts.
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
I know what fruits are. I was joking. That's why there was a smiley face. Jesus was never militaristic.
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Yes, It appears I did miss this post . . . .

Never militaristic? Hardly . . .He armed His men with swords . . . .



. . . and intended to do harm in the temple with the whip. . . .



. . . and in fact on the day of judgment He will be wielding a sword . . .

 
Shamgar said:
Obviously it is to shut the mouths of the false teachers, such as yourself. Big deal . . . you need to agree with Him 100% for it to matter.
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False teachers? Okay. Tell me how I have misread "blessed are the peacemakers" and "turn the other cheek" and "love thy neighbor" and "love thy friend" if I am so illiterate to your text. Tell me how I was wrong. Tell me how my teachings is false and evil and blasphemous.


How fortunate I am to have you indicate what my beliefs are...

My arguments were backed up by the same source your arguments were. It's not like it's written in code to where I can't understand it without divine reading glasses.

Do you really swallow whole every verse whole that comes out of the bible? Did you send your mother away when she was on her period? I doubt it. Do you think we should stone adulteresses? I don't really know. Did you really think the best way of convincing Pharoah to "Let my people go!" was to kill the first born children of Egypt? Did you really applaud when God flooded the world because they lived in sin?

There is a difference between belief and blindness.
 

Were isn't it . . . .

Ecc 3: 1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: 2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; {to be...: Heb. to bear} 3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; {to refrain from: Heb. to be far from} 6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; {get: or, seek} 7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. 9 What profit hath he that worketh in that in which he laboureth? 10 I have seen the labour, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.


Gandhi>Bush said:
How fortunate I am to have you indicate what my beliefs are...My arguments were backed up by the same source your arguments were. It's not like it's written in code to where I can't understand it without divine reading glasses.
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Obviously they are something that you cannot decribe or put into words as it is your own invention . . . your own mish mash of different religions cobbled together. You just haven't named it yet . . . How about "Fred."


No blindness is what you have since you don't understand what is required and what is not required from the Scriptures . . and you love it that way . . . and since you are a hater of God and His people you make up lies about His words to give you some perverse ego boost. However, you will look very small and pathetic wailing and gnashing your teeth on the day of judgment so have your fun now . . . .
 
Shamgar said:
Yes, It appears I did miss this post . . . .

Never militaristic? Hardly . . .He armed His men with swords . . . .
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Yes and after they were armed this little fiasco ensued:

Luke 22: 49

49When Jesus' followers saw what was going to happen, they said, "Lord, should we strike with our swords?" 50And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear.

51But Jesus answered, "No more of this!" And he touched the man's ear and healed him.

Why do you think Jesus told them to stop? He knew he was going to die a painful death. Why not have his men kill them all, after all the were armed. Jesus could have gone on the run as a fugitive. Who knows? Why do you think Jesus told them to stop.

. . . and intended to do harm in the temple with the whip. . . .
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Only the book of John even so much as mentions a whip.

How much of a stampede could have been caused in an enclosed are such as a temple anyway?

. . . and in fact on the day of judgment He will be wielding a sword . . .
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The actions of the end times are meant to be battle of the truest good against the truest evil, it is not at all an example of how we should be acting until the end times get here.
 

Ecclesiastes was written by the son of David. Not Jesus.

Obviously they are something that you cannot decribe or put into words as it is your own invention . . . your own mish mash of different religions cobbled together. You just haven't named it yet . . . How about "Fred."
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Ohh you caught me. I'm one of those damned followers of Fred...


I do not hate Fred- I mean God or his people. Tell me where I have lied. I do not lie on purpose I assure you. I do not ever aim for dishonesty, I assure you. Tell me where I have lied and I will apologize and/or correct the typo.

It sounds like the though of me gnashing my teeth and wailing in sulfur gives you some perverse ego boost. It sounds like something you would look down upon and smile. If I am not be cast into a lake of sulfur with men as good as Gandhi and men like me, I don't think it will be so bad.
 
Why is citing scriptures and understanding the Bible the only way to win this argument? Shouldn't we go by the natural truths of the world? Jesus lived a great life and taught great things, but great wrongs have been committed in his name, including alienating those who do not believe in his holiness. Jesus reached out to people, and Christians who feel they are superior, telling non-believers they are going to Hell is just alienating everyone else, the opposite of what Jesus sought to achieve.
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
Ecclesiastes was written by the son of David. Not Jesus.
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Oh Ghandi Jesus quoted many righteous men since they spoke as God.

Gandhi>Bush said:
Ohh you caught me. I'm one of those damned followers of Fred...
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Are you done with your cobbled up chants to "Fred"?


Gandhi>Bush said:
I do not hate Fred- I mean God or his people. Tell me where I have lied. I do not lie on purpose I assure you. I do not ever aim for dishonesty, I assure you. Tell me where I have lied and I will apologize and/or correct the typo.
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Oh such nice little words . . . to bad you have war in your heart.

Pslams 55: 21 The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords.

Luke 6: 45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for from the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.


Oh if you fail to listen to the watchman's warning then I will be laughing my head off on the day of wailing and gnashing of teeth . . .

Gandhi>Bush said:
Yes and after they were armed this little fiasco ensued:
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Armed by Jesus the nonpascifist.



Oh I know why He told them to stop but you don't know since you only "believe 90% of Jesus' teaching" which means you actually understand none of the teachings of Jesus.

Gandhi>Bush said:
Only the book of John even so much as mentions a whip. How much of a stampede could have been caused in an enclosed are such as a temple anyway?
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Oh Ghandi you should raise some animals and you would find out.

Gandhi>Bush said:
The actions of the end times are meant to be battle of the truest good against the truest evil, it is not at all an example of how we should be acting until the end times get here.
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Oh but your "Jesus" won't battle since he is a pascifist. Hahahahahahahahahaha
 
MikeyC said:
Why is citing scriptures and understanding the Bible the only way to win this argument? Shouldn't we go by the natural truths of the world?
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Okay let's use the natural truth of this world . . . that would be the Scriptures.

Romans 1: 17 For in this is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is evident in them; for God hath shown it to them. {in them: or, to them} 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: {so...: or, that they may be} 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man, and birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.


Oh but the message Jesus is that NO HOMOSEXUALS ARE ENTERING THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN . . . they are alienated from the kingdom.
 
Shamgar said:
Oh Ghandi Jesus quoted many righteous men since they spoke as God.
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I trust that which the Son of God says not the son of David. Jesus said "LOVE THY ENEMY." That's right. I'm going to repeat until you stop ignoring it.

Are you done with your cobbled up chants to "Fred"?
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You invented the Almighty Fred, not me.

Oh such nice little words . . . to bad you have war in your heart.
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A pascifist with war in his heart? You're not the brightest crayon in the knife drawer are you?


Not believing in the same thing as you does not make me evil. I do not think that of you. I may not think you're incredibly intelligent but I believe you are trying to do what is right.

Oh if you fail to listen to the watchman's warning then I will be laughing my head off on the day of wailing and gnashing of teeth . . .
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Make no mistake, I would never take pleasure in seeing you in pain. Niether would Jesus, for either of us.

Armed by Jesus the nonpascifist.
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Yes, and immediately afterwards Peter was yelled at for using that weapon by Jesus the Pascifist.

Oh I know why He told them to stop but you don't know since you only "believe 90% of Jesus' teaching" which means you actually understand none of the teachings of Jesus.
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Help me understand. I have an open mind. Impart an answer to the question or I will assume you don't have one.

Oh Ghandi you should raise some animals and you would find out.
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I have a dog, but she's asleep right now. I'm not going to whip her as that would only make her not like me, plus she's very old and it wouldn't be right to hit such a defenseless animal with a whip.

Oh but your "Jesus" won't battle since he is a pascifist. Hahahahahahahahahaha
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The greatest pascifists in history(Gandhi, MLK, Jesus, etc.) all admit that when faced with PURE EVIL there is only one response DEFENSE.

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Shamgar said:
Oh but the message Jesus is that NO HOMOSEXUALS ARE ENTERING THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN . . . they are alienated from the kingdom.
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When did JESUS say this? I know some of the men that followed him did. When did Jesus, the Son of God(you know him), say this. Can I have that verse?
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
I trust that which the Son of God says not the son of David. Jesus said "LOVE THY ENEMY." That's right. I'm going to repeat until you stop ignoring it.
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Do whatever you like since you ignore God's word anyway.

Gandhi>Bush said:
A pascifist with war in his heart? You're not the brightest crayon in the knife drawer are you?
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No you are a friend of the world so that makes you a God hater. . .



Gandhi>Bush said:
Help me understand. I have an open mind. Impart an answer to the question or I will assume you don't have one.
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Open to whatever vomit drops in . . . you can assume what you desire . . .

Gandhi>Bush said:
When did JESUS say this? I know some of the men that followed him did. When did Jesus, the Son of God(you know him), say this. Can I have that verse?
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Jesus repeated the teachings of God . . . God exlcudes homoseuxals . . . and righteous men reapeated those teachings . . .
 
I see great irony in this thread and it's title. Here it was created to make christianity seem like the victim in the current political structure when all it does is point out the intolerance of said people (or to be fair there is only one arguing the case.) to allow others to have different views or morales than their own.

ooo that paragraph kills any chance of my claiming to be an English major.

No sir, I say this to you. The gay issue is only an issue because a religion supposedly based on love and forgiveness is once again preaching hate and intolerance.
 
It's pointless to argue with you. I don't believe in Jesus as my savior. I believe in God as the Creator and nothing more. I believe ,ost of the stories in the Bible are false because I feel it wouldn't make sense for God to interefere in our lives. God has to live by the laws of nature He created. There, now win your argument without citing scriptures since I won't accept them as fact. Please don't respond by saying I'm going to Hell, I accept that you believe in Hell, please accept that I don't. I accept that you believe in the Bible, please accept that I think that God must operate within the rules of science. Also, please don't respond by proving the Bible is true, you accept it as true because of your faith and I respect that. Is Christianity the target of the gay issue? I think that Churches have the right to deny any marriage they wish, but the government shouldn't make laws based on religious scripture. Government should make laws to better society. You think society is better without gays, but they exist and the US government should be tolerant of EVERYBODY, not just what Christians are tolerant of because then we cease to be the United States of America and become the Theocratic States of America.
 
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I've really never seen someone dodge questions and debate points like you. You just throw hellfire and God hating at me and expect sound intelligent and to some how continue an civil conversation.

If we are to continue this debate, let us stop throwing spiteful remarks at each other. It is uncivilized, and makes us both looks stupid. I apologize for my part of it, and make the offer now to continue this like grown men, ehh?
 

No irony. Christianity is the victim of the God haters called homosexuals and their supporters. Hate and intolerance is from the God haters who hate the word of God and are intolertant to God's people.



Toleracne is the buzzword used by the God haters to promote their hateful messages.

 
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