Chinese Automakers Would You Buy One?

[rhinefire]

I saw a documentary on this subject of China's production and export of its vehicles. I would never buy one because of their politics and, lack of pollution regulations.

 

[Rogue Valley]

China is the largest auto exporter in the world and no, I wouldn't purchase a Chinese made vehicle.

China overtakes Japan as world's top car exporter

The jump in China's exports was boosted by rising demand for electric vehicles and sales to Russia.

www.bbc.com

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Last, year, Chinese carmakers - including Geely, Chery and Great Wall - saw their market share in Russia jump after rivals including Volkswagen and Toyota quit the country following the invasion of Ukraine.

This is the last sentence in the article, which IMO, pretty much negates the the entirety of the rest of the article.
It shows that China needs to be sanctioned for its support of Russia in the face of the rest of the world's condemnation. We need to move more manufacturing jobs back home.

 

[noonereal]

I saw a documentary on this subject of China's production and export of its vehicles. I would never buy one because of their politics and, lack of pollution regulations.

Lol, would i buy an auto maker?
I think you mean would I buy a Chinese car.
I would and you would if it brought us greater value for our money.

What happened in the 70s?
Everyone complained that we should bu american yet went out and put a Datsun or Toyota in their driveway.

 

[noonereal]

This is the last sentence in the article, which IMO, pretty much negates the the entirety of the rest of the article.
It shows that China needs to be sanctioned for its support of Russia in the face of the rest of the world's condemnation. We need to move more manufacturing jobs back home.

Very good post except for the last line.

 

[eohrnberger]

I saw a documentary on this subject of China's production and export of its vehicles. I would never buy one because of their politics and, lack of pollution regulations.

Buy a Chinese car? Oh fat chance in hell.

 

[Napoleon]

I wouldn’t not buy a car for no reason other than it’s made in China.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

I saw a documentary on this subject of China's production and export of its vehicles. I would never buy one because of their politics and, lack of pollution regulations.

Have you recently visited your local Chinese car dealership? No? Why is that? Could it because they don't sell their smoke belching pollution machines in the U.S.? You will not buy a Chinese car in the U.S. because you would not be permitted to register said car due to its lack of pollution controls, and lack of safety features such as crash standards, crumple zones, etc.

There was time when Volkswagen stopped selling the venerable Bug in the U.S. because their air-cooled engines simply could not meet emissions standards. They went back to the drawing boards, redesigned the entire lineup and they are successfully selling in the U.S. today.

 

[anatta]

China leads in EV production

3 Drivers of China’s Booming Electric Vehicle Market

More than half of the electric vehicles (EVs) on roads worldwide are found in China. In 2022, new EV sales in China grew by 82%, and the country provided 35% of global EV exports. While the U.S., Norway, and other Scandinavian nations were early adopters of EVs, and Germany and Japan have long...

hbr.org

China now accounts for nearly 60% of EV sales worldwide. When it comes to the electric vehicle (EV) market, China is leading the charge ahead of traditional automotive juggernauts like Germany and Japan. China's new EV sales increased by 82% in 2022, accounting for nearly 60% of global EV purchases.Jan 3, 2024

 

[Infinite Chaos]

I would and you would if it brought us greater value for our money.

That's the bottom line alongside greater reliability.

Here in the UK, people tried to push British made cars as a patriotic gesture but they were really badly made and customers bought Japanese or German instead. Now, the only British made cars are Formula 1 cars.

China now accounts for nearly 60% of EV sales worldwide.

And Lithium batteries make a nice self-fuelling furnace that most firefighters have learned to simply let burn themselves out.

I'm waiting to see how Hydrogen pans out but for now, I'm going to stick with petrol / diesel engines.

 

[Lovebug]

I would not buy a Chinese automaker.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I can’t afford an automaker

 

[anatta]

And Lithium batteries make a nice self-fuelling furnace that most firefighters have learned to simply let burn themselves out.

if they are hopefully out in the open..i dont know how they can be extinguished

I'm waiting to see how Hydrogen pans out but for now, I'm going to stick with petrol / diesel engines.

EV's are way too expensive and the US consumers WILL have to but them if Biden has his way - hopefully not
hybrids make a lot more sense

 

[Infinite Chaos]

i dont know how they can be extinguished

Currently, there isn't a way to extinguish them. You simply let them burn out.

Then you throw in dubious Chinese manufacture in many cases and we are building up a whole of trouble.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I saw a documentary on this subject of China's production and export of its vehicles. I would never buy one because of their politics and, lack of pollution regulations.

Their politics.
Their pollution regs will solve itself because the danger to over a billion Chinese is now becoming so obvious that even the most hardened party faithful can't deny it
Also, they see money in developing vehicles that don't pollute as much, because there is now a market.
So in the end it all boils down to objecting to their politics and the crappy slipshod quality of their goods.

I would never want to buy a car that is built the way most if not all Chinese goods are built, even if their politics were golden.
I am not a fan of Japan's closed constipated xenophobic culture either but the quality of Japanese goods is undisputed.
And at least they accept some form of democracy.

Same with Korea.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

What happened in the 70s?
Everyone complained that we should bu american yet went out and put a Datsun or Toyota in their driveway.

No that is not what happened in the 70's.
Everyone complained that American quality was shit and THEN they went out and put Datsuns and Toyotas in their driveway, and with damn good reason too.
US automakers were cynical, moribund and constipated, and they didn't give a damn because they still thought they had a captive market.

The only reason US automobiles are even still around is because they finally began trying to put quality back into their cars, and not all have succeeded but the effort is there.

 

[SkyChief]

Chinese Automakers Would You Buy One?

I would buy a vehicle made in China if it were built well, safe, reliable, and priced right.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

China Vehicle Dependability Remains Stable, J.D. Power Finds​

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-china-vehicle-dependability-study-vds
The number of overall industry problems in China is 180 problems per 100 (PP100) vehicles, the same number of problems as the 2022 study, according to the J.D. Power 2023 China Vehicle Dependability StudySM (VDS), released today.

The study, now in its 14th year, measures the number of problems experienced per 100 vehicles during the past six months by owners of 13- to 48-month-old vehicles. A lower score reflects higher vehicle quality.
The term "stable" does not mean "good", it just means problems have not increased.

Simply put, Chinese cars in general are not known for quality or durability, quite the opposite in fact.

 

[rhinefire]

No that is not what happened in the 70's.
Everyone complained that American quality was shit and THEN they went out and put Datsuns and Toyotas in their driveway, and with damn good reason too.
US automakers were cynical, moribund and constipated, and they didn't give a damn because they still thought they had a captive market.

The only reason US automobiles are even still around is because they finally began trying to put quality back into their cars, and not all have succeeded but the effort is there.

One CEO from Toyota stayed here for I believe a few weeks studying how automakers did their thing. This is when they were struggling with early models. The rest is history. The U.S. tried to copy the idea of small compacts and flopped in early efforts with the Pinto for example. I was born in 1948 so I saw it all go down. It is a great read for those who don't know what and how it happened. The Honda motorcycle story is also a great study. I recall damn near everyone in town owned a Honda 305. Harley Davidson sold to AMD and AMD made junk in the name of cost-cutting. Harely later bought them out and returned to great bikes.

 

[rhinefire]

Have you recently visited your local Chinese car dealership? No? Why is that? Could it because they don't sell their smoke belching pollution machines in the U.S.? You will not buy a Chinese car in the U.S. because you would not be permitted to register said car due to its lack of pollution controls, and lack of safety features such as crash standards, crumple zones, etc.

There was time when Volkswagen stopped selling the venerable Bug in the U.S. because their air-cooled engines simply could not meet emissions standards. They went back to the drawing boards, redesigned the entire lineup and they are successfully selling in the U.S. today.

You are aware China is one of the world's top polluters? The pollution resulting in battery cars is a nightmare and ask yourself "What happens to the giant batteries in those electric bombs"?

 

[rhinefire]

I would buy a vehicle made in China if it were built well, safe, reliable, and priced right.

Do you work at Walmart?

 

[rhinefire]

China Vehicle Dependability Remains Stable, J.D. Power Finds​

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-china-vehicle-dependability-study-vds
The number of overall industry problems in China is 180 problems per 100 (PP100) vehicles, the same number of problems as the 2022 study, according to the J.D. Power 2023 China Vehicle Dependability StudySM (VDS), released today.

The study, now in its 14th year, measures the number of problems experienced per 100 vehicles during the past six months by owners of 13- to 48-month-old vehicles. A lower score reflects higher vehicle quality.
The term "stable" does not mean "good", it just means problems have not increased.

Simply put, Chinese cars in general are not known for quality or durability, quite the opposite in fact.

Very true

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

One CEO from Toyota stayed here for I believe a few weeks studying how automakers did their thing. This is when they were struggling with early models. The rest is history. The U.S. tried to copy the idea of small compacts and flopped in early efforts with the Pinto for example. I was born in 1948 so I saw it all go down. It is a great read for those who don't know what and how it happened. The Honda motorcycle story is also a great study. I recall damn near everyone in town owned a Honda 305. Harley Davidson sold to AMD and AMD made junk in the name of cost-cutting. Harely later bought them out and returned to great bikes.

The Ford Pinto was an EXCELLENT car with one fatal flaw...nothing else on that car was bad or defective.
By the way, the Pinto was not the first car to use that chassis or powertrain.
The Pinto used a 1600cc four cylinder engine that European Ford service literature referred to as the Taunus In-Line engine or Lima In-Line (LL)
Later examples of the Lima went all the way up to 2.3 liters.

It was designed and manufactured in Lima, Ohio but had enjoyed a good history prior to the 1970's in all kinds of English Ford cars.
The only defect was poor protection for the fuel tank and that is due to Ford USA top brass deciding that shouldering "a few personal injury lawsuits" was cheaper than the cost to recall, redesign and retrofit all the early models, a particularly cruel and barbaric example of corporate malfeasance and criminal negligence.

But aside from that the Pinto was a fine automobile and a good many owners embarked on third party solutions to protect the fuel tank once the defect became public, like this center reinforcement piece that reduced impact damage from rear end collisions and spread the impact to the frame rather than the gas tank.



For my money the best example of a flop would be the Chevy Vega.

 

[Allan]

China is the largest auto exporter in the world and no, I wouldn't purchase a Chinese made vehicle.

China overtakes Japan as world's top car exporter

The jump in China's exports was boosted by rising demand for electric vehicles and sales to Russia.

www.bbc.com

You might already own one. Some Volvo, Mercedes, GM and Ford/Lincoln models are made in China.

 

[Surrealistik]

China leads in EV production

3 Drivers of China’s Booming Electric Vehicle Market

More than half of the electric vehicles (EVs) on roads worldwide are found in China. In 2022, new EV sales in China grew by 82%, and the country provided 35% of global EV exports. While the U.S., Norway, and other Scandinavian nations were early adopters of EVs, and Germany and Japan have long...

hbr.org

China now accounts for nearly 60% of EV sales worldwide. When it comes to the electric vehicle (EV) market, China is leading the charge ahead of traditional automotive juggernauts like Germany and Japan. China's new EV sales increased by 82% in 2022, accounting for nearly 60% of global EV purchases.Jan 3, 2024

Industrial policy, technological theft and massive subsidy fueled by equally massive debt (leading to overbuilding which has resulted in sprawling fields of abandoned EVs in China, and of course dumped pricing abroad) would've been the three I'd have gone with.

Subsidy enabled price dumping (alongside the usual corner cutting/quality compromises China is infamous for) is the reason US rightfully tariffs Chinese EVs, and the EU is currently investigating them, along with the UK more recently:

Commission launches investigation on subsidised electric cars from China

The European Commission has formally launched today an anti-subsidy investigation into the imports of battery electric vehicles (BEV) from China.

ec.europa.eu

UK considers probe of Chinese EV subsidies

A British investigation would follow the launch of a similar probe by the EU last October.

www.politico.eu

US warns China against dumping goods on global markets

Western governments fear Beijing may try to ease domestic overcapacity with cheap exports

www.ft.com