Chinese ‘kill switches’ found hidden in US solar farms

[rhinefire]

Compare the incompetent clowns Trump picked for cabinet positions on his first and second presidencies compared to China's sophisticated approach to espionage. Day vs. night Tragic.

 

[Grand Mal]

Notice that we've never heard about the cause of the massive European power outage. The whole episode has been swept under the rug. Clearly there's geo-politics tied into energy. Nobody wants to say anything bad about green energy. China just might play into this too.

Are you freaking serious? Every bloody day I read bad things about green energy.
This is just more rightist victimstance. "I'm not allowed to say anything unpopular with the left!"
How about this one? "Nobody is allowed to advocate for alternative energy sources while there's one drop of oil or one lump of coal still in the ground, unsold!"

 

[Tangmo]

Retired General Charles Flynn, former commander of the United States Army, Pacific, almost word for word agrees with you. (US General Details China Military Plans to Defeat US in Taiwan War -- Newsweek) And so it is why I agree with Ferguson.

Army Gen. Retired Charles Flynn mentioned in your astute post is the younger brother of the crackpot lunatic fascist busted out of the Army Michael Flynn. Michael the 3-star never got to the 4th star his baby brother did attain.

Chas. Flynn was a 3-star at the Pentagon on J6 and was one of three 3-stars involved in the high profile commotion over the National Guard and the Capitol insurrection and riot. The two other 3-stars had to retire right afterward due to their awkwardness in dealing with the MSM and the NG colonel who belonged to Trump as the Corleones would say. The astute and savvy Charles Flynn got his 4th star however to include, as your post notes, his final career assignment as commanding general of the US Army Pacific and its 100,000 troops and several hundreds of millions of bucks in equipment. Dynamic innovators the Rhode Islanders Charles and Michael were except Michael finally went off the deep end.


I lived and worked in the CCP-PRC for ten years until November '21. I spent all my time in GuangDong province at the South China Sea and that is shaped like a kidney from the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region at the west to Taiwan at its east. GuangDong province is Ye Olde Canton. The basis of its civilization is the Pearl River delta and valley where their native tongue is Cantonese.

South of the Yangtze River valley civilization Cantonese is the native tongue which means they reject the Mandarin of the North because it's a Mongolian language imposed by the Mongul rulers on the Chinese up there. Although Chinese in the South learn Mandarin as the official language against the chaotic 200 Chinese local languages, the Cantonese Chinese resent and brood that the CCP dynasty is imposing the Mongul language on they of the Pearl River valley civilization who are certain they are the Chinese Chinese.

I'm going to make a shaky comparative, but with its $2+ Trillion GDP, and its history of exposure to Western foreigners, GD province is sort of China's liberal California. Which is why Deng Xiao Ping chose Ye Old Canton GD to take the lead in China's economic opening to the West and the USA especially and in particular.

I am well versed in everything in your post #23 about the CCP-PRC and in fact I extend well beyond your distant from China parodical readings. All the same I commend your keen interest in China and I support and encourage it. Given your intelligence I'd welcome a mutually respected dialogue that is absent your trying to act as a learning facilitator about China. There are indeed things to discuss for a mutual advancement.

 

[Tangmo]

Post written from a device likely made in China

Copied from the West.

 

[Along Came Jones]

Army Gen. Retired Charles Flynn mentioned in your astute post is the younger brother of the crackpot lunatic fascist busted out of the Army Michael Flynn. Michael the 3-star never got to the 4th star his baby brother did attain.

Chas. Flynn was a 3-star at the Pentagon on J6 and was one of three 3-stars involved in the high profile commotion over the National Guard and the Capitol insurrection and riot. The two other 3-stars had to retire right afterward due to their awkwardness in dealing with the MSM and the NG colonel who belonged to Trump as the Corleones would say. The astute and savvy Charles Flynn got his 4th star however to include, as your post notes, his final career assignment as commanding general of the US Army Pacific and its 100,000 troops and several hundreds of millions of bucks in equipment. Dynamic innovators the Rhode Islanders Charles and Michael were except Michael finally went off the deep end.


I lived and worked in the CCP-PRC for ten years until November '21. I spent all my time in GuangDong province at the South China Sea and that is shaped like a kidney from the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region at the west to Taiwan at its east. GuangDong province is Ye Olde Canton. The basis of its civilization is the Pearl River delta and valley where their native tongue is Cantonese.

South of the Yangtze River valley civilization Cantonese is the native tongue which means they reject the Mandarin of the North because it's a Mongolian language imposed by the Mongul rulers on the Chinese up there. Although Chinese in the South learn Mandarin as the official language against the chaotic 200 Chinese local languages, the Cantonese Chinese resent and brood that the CCP dynasty is imposing the Mongul language on they of the Pearl River valley civilization who are certain they are the Chinese Chinese.

I'm going to make a shaky comparative, but with its $2+ Trillion GDP, and its history of exposure to Western foreigners, GD province is sort of China's liberal California. Which is why Deng Xiao Ping chose Ye Old Canton GD to take the lead in China's economic opening to the West and the USA especially and in particular.

I am well versed in everything in your post #23 about the CCP-PRC and in fact I extend well beyond your distant from China parodical readings. All the same I commend your keen interest in China and I support and encourage it. Given your intelligence I'd welcome a mutually respected dialogue that is absent your trying to act as a learning facilitator about China. There are indeed things to discuss for a mutual advancement.

Re: I'd welcome a mutually respected dialogue that is absent your trying to act as a learning facilitator about China.

Sir, you certainly misunderstood. What I did was provide linked reference for what I wrote and speculated about. You were free to check them for the credibility of my assertions. Sorry you were so offended and flustered.

 

[coyote505]

Welll... I would like to see an independent investigation, before I believe anything from the right wing pro Trump Murdoch owned and well know fossil fuel advocate The Times.

This is the same news organisation that promoted anti-Huawei theories of exactly the same thing, which later on was proven false. So...I kinda am very sceptical.

Saying that, I would not be surprised at all. But then again, why is it a problem? Apple and Google can remotely delete apps and brick your phone, but that aint a problem? Or Nintendo doing the same? Or Sony on Playstations.. I mean, it should be "equal under the conspiracy theory law".. right?

Having this power in the hands of a company with an incentive NOT to get a reputation for unreliability is entirely different from having it in the hands of Xi.

 

[coyote505]

Ahh better.. except... "US experts".. red flag considering the current US-China relations and the current Trump administration. Present the evidence to the world like you did with Huawei.. oh wait there was none.

Is a Euro "Centrist" the same as an American "Progressive"?

 

[Revelation]

Chinese ‘kill switches’ found hidden in US solar farms

Hidden cellular radios could be activated remotely with switches to cripple power grids in the event of a confrontation between the West and China

www.thetimes.com

Paywall removed here: https://archive.ph/3syeO



Not remotely surprising; China was already caught seeding heavily state subsidized, even dumped, telecommunications infrastructure per Huawei among other Chinese companies with exploitable backdoors and vulnerabilities per multiple reports, thus resulting in sweeping security motivated bans against their products in the West and among close allies such as Japan. While Trump's thoughtless and clumsy approach towards China and these issues leaves a great deal to be desired, this sort of thing

underscores just how important it is to avoid and otherwise minimize dependency on our #1 geopolitical foe and rival for our strategic/critical goods and infrastructure.

thanks Surreal.

this Confirms what i already know concerning russia and china.

actually their agents and spies are already here ready to shut things down when the Balloon goes up.... (WAR)

when branden/kamel let all those illegals in during their reign, a lot of the chinese were coming thru the border sent by the CCP. they were actually young soldiers ready to do the dirty work required when The War starts.

first thing they will hit will be the Electric/Gas infrastructure which has very little security in the states. none of it around me is guarded; a veteran told me it would be very simple to hit our local Gas utility and eliminate it. (don't ask for details please, and i have known about this for a long time; nothing will be done either)

the russian spetnaz forces operating within CONUS have already caused damage in the past, but this will accelerate when we get to Pink terror levels and finally Red terror levels.

you may wanna pay attention. ........or maybe not, it will come anyway.

the Oligarchs and Dark Maga are going to destroy much of this world to then re-build it and make the Technocracy i have warned you about. you may wanna know a few things: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Dark+Maga+is+technocracy&ia=web


It’s not too late, even in the mess I made
I turn around and see You standing
You’re giving me a million chances

It’s Your grace on grace
I’ll never understand it
You’re giving me a million chances
Keep giving me a million chances

#JamieMacDonald #AMillionChances





blessing all. it may be tooo late for usa and this world...........but not for you.

are you desperate?


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[Metric Mouse]

If the United States doesn't want them, Canada and Europe are moving to trade more with China. They'll buy these.

 

[Tangmo]

Yes the west is banning Huawei for the heck of it

The NSA has worked with western telecoms to plant backdoor in everything. They don't want Huawei in western equipment as they would not be able to plant back doors in the tech.

Merkel was spied on by the US, so was Macron, by the US. RSA, the security code group was paid millions by the NSA to provide the encryption code

Merkel-Putin were BFF on the Russo-German Nord Stream geostrategic energy blackmail scheme against Europe, NATO and the USA. The USA, Europe and NATO needed to know what sinister schemes the two were activating since 2006 and that back then involved screwing Ukraine.

As I've stated in this thread, never trust the CCP DictatorTyrants in Beijing when it comes to anything of value to 'em.

 

[Tangmo]

Compare the incompetent clowns Trump picked for cabinet positions on his first and second presidencies compared to China's sophisticated approach to espionage. Day vs. night Tragic.

The CCP are klutzes.

They're obvious which is why they keep getting taken down.

Big ol' China has always been a bully and there's nothing subtle about a bull in a China shoppe.


From the link in the OP:

"Over the past nine months, the suspect devices were found in inverters and batteries from multiple Chinese suppliers by US experts who strip down equipment to check for security issues before they are connected to power grids."

Indeed, American technology experts and security minded policy makers are way ahead of Your Guys in Beijing. We just don't announce it every time given it's beneficial to the good guys to deceive the bad guys into thinking they're ahead of the game when they are not. Indeed, there's nothing complicated about Chinese checkers.

 

[rhinefire]

The CCP are klutzes.

They're obvious which is why they keep getting taken down.

Big ol' China has always been a bully and there's nothing subtle about a bull in a China shoppe.


From the link in the OP:

"Over the past nine months, the suspect devices were found in inverters and batteries from multiple Chinese suppliers by US experts who strip down equipment to check for security issues before they are connected to power grids."

Indeed, American technology experts and security minded policy makers are way ahead of Your Guys in Beijing. We just don't announce it every time given it's beneficial to the good guys to deceive the bad guys into thinking they're ahead of the game when they are not. Indeed, there's nothing complicated about Chinese checkers.

You are wrong as worgn.

 

[Tangmo]

You are wrong as worgn.

What I said is and remains....

From the link in the OP:

"Over the past nine months, the suspect devices were found in inverters and batteries from multiple Chinese suppliers by US experts who strip down equipment to check for security issues before they are connected to power grids."

Indeed, American technology experts and security minded policy makers are way ahead of Your Beloved DictatorTyrants in Beijing. We just don't announce it every time given it's beneficial to the good guys to deceive the bad guys into thinking they're ahead of the game when they are not.

Indeed, there's nothing complicated about Chinese checkers.

 

[SMTA]

Chinese ‘kill switches’ found hidden in US solar farms

Hidden cellular radios could be activated remotely with switches to cripple power grids in the event of a confrontation between the West and China

www.thetimes.com

Paywall removed here: https://archive.ph/3syeO



Not remotely surprising; China was already caught seeding heavily state subsidized, even dumped, telecommunications infrastructure per Huawei among other Chinese companies with exploitable backdoors and vulnerabilities per multiple reports, thus resulting in sweeping security motivated bans against their products in the West and among close allies such as Japan. While Trump's thoughtless and clumsy approach towards China and these issues leaves a great deal to be desired, this sort of thing underscores just how important it is to avoid and otherwise minimize dependency on our #1 geopolitical foe and rival for our strategic/critical goods and infrastructure.

Absolute bullshit.
The Times is a Rupert Murdoch company, spewing bullshit just like Faux Noise.
Uneducated and paranoid ****ing garbage.

 

[Surrealistik]

Absolute bullshit.
The Times is a Rupert Murdoch company, spewing bullshit just like Faux Noise.
Uneducated and paranoid ****ing garbage.

The source/root article is Reuters which does excellent work and is about as high credibility/factuality as it comes; it can be found here:

Rogue communication devices found in Chinese solar power inverters

U.S. energy officials are reassessing the risk posed by Chinese-made devices that play a critical role in renewable energy infrastructure after unexplained communication equipment was found inside some of them, two people familiar with the matter said.

www.reuters.com

They appear to be sourcing this direct from the people who are actually doing the work of security reviews/stripdowns.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Yep.

I see the words “could” and “potential”

Meaning no actual evidence that’s what they are


Just seems rather speculative. I’m also not very inclined to believe that there’s some grand Chinese conspiracy to shut down the grid in the US, go to war with the US, etc.

Overall, that makes no logical sense. China and the US have a very symbiotic relationship with one another. We need each other.

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/31/1228153857/wray-chinese-hackers-national-security

What?

Pro China propaganda is weird to read...

 

[Metric Mouse]

Absolute bullshit.
The Times is a Rupert Murdoch company, spewing bullshit just like Faux Noise.
Uneducated and paranoid ****ing garbage.

Reuters reported the same.

Another source one should never trust?

 

[SMTA]

The Reuters article does not support the OP.
You guys should read your bullshit before posting.

 

[Surrealistik]

The Reuters article does not support the OP.
You guys should read your bullshit before posting.

How do you figure?

The core issue mentioned in the OP article, namely that undocumented cellular radios and other com devices with control over solar panel inverters were installed without the knowledge of the purchaser, and that these present a glaring security risk and are capable of bypassing firewalls, is unchanged between them.

 

[HK.227]

Chinese ‘kill switches’ found hidden in US solar farms

Hidden cellular radios could be activated remotely with switches to cripple power grids in the event of a confrontation between the West and China

www.thetimes.com

Paywall removed here: https://archive.ph/3syeO

Nothing new.
Cisco found the same in batch of their equipment produced in China a few years ago. Components that were not in the blueprints had been added.
Just another reminder that you need to reexamine the entire supply chain for anything that can be targeted by hybrid warfare.

 

[snakestretcher]

If you wish to give the CCP the benefit of the doubt, that's certainly your prerogative; given their history, foreign policy goals and precedent, I'm not nearly so optimistic. I can at least agree there's no undeniable smoking gun RE: specific malicious intent however.

You realise we could say all the above about America?

 

[Surrealistik]

You realise we could say all the above about America?

Sure, but America's wrongs do not excuse or mean we need to tolerate their own, just as they would mercilessly interdict American subterfuge they are aware of.

 

[ClaraD]

we shouldn't allow China to own land in the USA, manufacturing, energy ..... allowing your enemy to be in your bedroom isn't smart

China doesn't own land in the US....Chinese nationals with status here likely do...but since they aren't the Chinese government it is extremely unfair to say no you have to rent, you cannot own anything.

 

[hecatmoggie]

China doesn't own land in the US....Chinese nationals with status here likely do...but since they aren't the Chinese government it is extremely unfair to say no you have to rent, you cannot own anything.

I don't think its unfair at all

 

[SMTA]

How do you figure?

The core issue mentioned in the OP article, namely that undocumented cellular radios and other com devices with control over solar panel inverters were installed without the knowledge of the purchaser, and that these present a glaring security risk and are capable of bypassing firewalls, is unchanged between them.

A) because I can read simple words
B) there is no mention of the kill switch as indicated in the OP
C) Trumplicans are incapable of individual thought and only listen to their moronic leaders and approved information sources.
D) the pure lack of common sense and simple reasoning by Trump ass kissers is ****ing hilarious