Chinese ‘kill switches’ found hidden in US solar farms

[eohrnberger]

And naturally the pristine, morally un-corruptible and always honest United States would never stoop so low as to spy on China. Right?

This is you pushing a BS narrative because none of these things were asserted, nor does this detraction / diversion mitigate or remediate the bad Chinese behaviors.
In short, and abject failure of a post.

Works both ways mate, so save the outrage.

Looks who comes to the defense of communists. Hardly a surprise, given your posting history.

 

[snakestretcher]

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This is you pushing a BS narrative because none of these things were asserted, nor does this detraction / diversion mitigate or remediate the bad Chinese behaviors.
In short, and abject failure of a post.


Looks who comes to the defense of communists. Hardly a surprise, given your posting history.

Simply pointing out that, to coin a phrase, 'what's good for the goose, is good for the gander' (double standards). You can stuff the faux outrage while your country is flying spy satellites over China as we speak. So why is it ok for the US to spy on China, but not vice versa?

When it comes to spying, U.S. is as insatiable as China

irp.fas.org

American espionage in China - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Logophile]

We need to wean ourselves from China, and in that regard, the Trump Administration is on the right track. We have way too many businesses manufacturing there. I wouldn't be surprised if some malware is in the majority of cell phones. We need to escape the "cheap labor" racket. It was seductive for a while, but it's no longer an asset, but an increasingly threat to our security

 

[eohrnberger]

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Simply pointing out that, to coin a phrase, 'what's good for the goose, is good for the gander' (double standards). You can stuff the faux outrage while your country is flying spy satellites over China as we speak. So why is it ok for the US to spy on China, but not vice versa?

When it comes to spying, U.S. is as insatiable as China

irp.fas.org

American espionage in China - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Your false equivocation so noted.
Do you get compensation from CCP for your posts here?

 

[eohrnberger]

We need to wean ourselves from China, and in that regard, the Trump Administration is on the right track. We have way too many businesses manufacturing there.

I wouldn't be surprised if some malware is in the majority of cell phones.

It's called TikTock, a massive data harvesting operation for the purposes of furthering CCP political objectives and propaganda.
Further, any IT HW from China or made with Chinese parts are suspect of the same thing, as we have seen.

We need to escape the "cheap labor" racket. It was seductive for a while, but it's no longer an asset, but an increasingly threat to our security

In the mean time Chinese labor rates have gone up, and Vietnam's labor rates haven't.

 

[Logophile]

It's called TikTock, a massive data harvesting operation for the purposes of furthering CCP political objectives and propaganda.
Further, any IT HW from China or made with Chinese parts are suspect of the same thing, as we have seen.


In the mean time Chinese labor rates have gone up, and Vietnam's labor rates haven't.

I guess I'm not a big fan of the Vietnamese either as they're very close to Beijing. All that said, we should only want to accept labor from democracies or do with out and leave a void. Somebody in a democratic nation - maybe in right here - will no doubt quickly fill it

 

[eohrnberger]

I guess I'm not a big fan of the Vietnamese either as they're very close to Beijing.

All that said, we should only want to accept labor from democracies or do with out and leave a void.

The consumer markets aren't going to accept that void, nor the increased prices which would result from high priced labor for those products.

Somebody in a democratic nation - maybe in right here - will no doubt quickly fill it

 

[Hello My Son]

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Simply pointing out that, to coin a phrase, 'what's good for the goose, is good for the gander' (double standards). You can stuff the faux outrage while your country is flying spy satellites over China as we speak. So why is it ok for the US to spy on China, but not vice versa?

When it comes to spying, U.S. is as insatiable as China

irp.fas.org

American espionage in China - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, everyone spies on one another, and it's completely common for people to root for their own side in an adversarial relationship with another country. I'm sure you don't go rooting for England's adversaries when each side is spying on the other.

 

[Logophile]

The consumer markets aren't going to accept that void, nor the increased prices which would result from high priced labor for those products.

We develop new products every year that within 5 years, we think we can't do without. We only think we can't live with certain products but we do, often because they haven't been invented yet. Voids on products we've adapted to will be quickly filled in the market place, probably in record time. There is no incentive like money

 

[eohrnberger]

We develop new products every year that within 5 years, we think we can't do without. We only think we can't live with certain products but we do, often because they haven't been invented yet.

Such is the Technology Adoption cycle, for example.

"Technology Adoption Curve Explained: Stages, Strategies, and Modern Applications" by TechnologyAdvice, published on May 23, 2025, provides a comprehensive overview of the technology adoption lifecycle. It describes the model, originally developed by Everett Rogers in his 1962 book Diffusion of Innovations, as a bell curve that categorizes adopters into five groups based on their willingness to embrace new technologies:​

1. Innovators (2.5%): Risk-takers and tech enthusiasts who are the first to try new products, often experimenting with unpolished solutions and providing early feedback.
2. Early Adopters (13.5%): Visionary opinion leaders who adopt innovations early, seeking competitive advantages, and influence others through their endorsements.
3. Early Majority (34%): Pragmatic users who adopt technologies after proven success, requiring evidence like case studies and reliable performance.
4. Late Majority (34%): Skeptical and risk-averse, they adopt only when a technology becomes an industry standard, needing simplified onboarding and strong support.
5. Laggards (16%): Resistant to change, they adopt technologies only when necessary, often due to obsolescence, and require clear benefits and ease of use.

Technology Adoption Curve: Guide to the Five Stages

The Technology Adoption Curve is an estimation of the stages of adoption in a population when confronted with a new innovation. Read our complete guide.

technologyadvice.com

Voids on products we've adapted to will be quickly filled in the market place, probably in record time.

Probably. But bringing those replacement products to market is going to take some time.

There is no incentive like money

Indeed, along with relatively free and unencumbered markets, access to capital and the needed labor resources. Its all part of the larger whole.

 

[snakestretcher]

Yes, everyone spies on one another, and it's completely common for people to root for their own side in an adversarial relationship with another country. I'm sure you don't go rooting for England's adversaries when each side is spying on the other.

I couldn't give a flying ****, frankly. I'm not a flag-hugging nationalist like some, and I'm just as happy to expose and criticise my government's failings (whichever political colour they may be), as those of any other nation. 'Patriotism' is a ridiculous concept anyway. What's so special about a geographical accident of birth that it needs celebrating?

 

[Hello My Son]

I couldn't give a flying ****, frankly. I'm not a flag-hugging nationalist like some, and I'm just as happy to expose and criticise my government's failings (whichever political colour they may be), as those of any other nation. 'Patriotism' is a ridiculous concept anyway. What's so special about a geographical accident of birth that it needs celebrating?

Who said anything about absolutist, all-or-nothing blind nationalism? Or loyalty based on geography?

I said that you wouldn't cheer on the enemies of your home country in their mutual spy tactics. And you wouldn't. Because your home is there and keeping one's enemies under control is more about protecting your self-interests (both as a country and as individual citizens) than it is about loyalty to some specific flag.

It'd be no different if someone was trying to burglarize your home or rob your business. It's not an absolutist position to want to do so, nor does it require a person to be an extremist who's completely insulated from any variable in the outside world to engage in self-protective behaviors.

On the contrary, it's most important to TRY and keep an eye on your enemies so you're not flying blind in your decision-making. I don't blame China for spying on us any more than I blame us for spying on them. That's just reality. But I also don't blame the Chinese for hating us when we get caught spying on them any more than I blame US citizens for hating the Chinese when we catch them. That's the ****ing game, and it has nothing to do with blind nationalism on either side.