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China tears down thousands of Crosses; destroys churches

Bodhisattva said:
So what. The faster that the world is free from religion the better...
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And so you're saying that the terrible consequences of both rebellion and disobedience in the People's Republic of China are okay or even good?
 
Kal'Stang said:
:confused: Perhaps you should elaborate? I don't see the connection.
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england still has an emperor, as oppose to china which got rid of theirs in 1912, you would have to be over 100 years old to be able to even remember the emperor of china, i find it silly people accuse socialists like the president of china of being "like a king" when there are actual kings and queens in the world..... like the one in england
 
dimensionallava said:
let me know when people show up to their churches with machine guns

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That isn't a machine gun.
 
Luftwaffe said:
I dunno. But I'm pretty sure that going to this Communist controlled church would not feel the same as the church I attend currently.
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I am sure that any Church in China is not going to feel the same, not if controlled or uncontrolled by the government.
 
dimensionallava said:
england still has an emperor, as oppose to china which got rid of theirs in 1912, you would have to be over 100 years old to be able to even remember the emperor of china, i find it silly people accuse socialists like the president of china of being "like a king" when there are actual kings and queens in the world..... like the one in england
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England's monarchy is mainly show now a days. Parliament has most of the power. At least from what I can tell.

As for the rest, question for ya... how many people in the US wish that we could wind back time to "the good ole' days"? Point being that just because no one alive lived during X time frame does not mean that they don't romanticize it or try and bring it back... particularly if they have power.
 
dimensionallava said:
england still has an emperor, as oppose to china which got rid of theirs in 1912, you would have to be over 100 years old to be able to even remember the emperor of china, i find it silly people accuse socialists like the president of china of being "like a king" when there are actual kings and queens in the world..... like the one in england
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They are a Constitutional monarchy, but in reality they are just figure heads with no real power. At least none that they can realistically use. As far as human rights and actual freedom for the individual citizen...China is not the leader. Humans don't have rights there.
 
RAMOSS said:
I am sure that any Church in China is not going to feel the same, not if controlled or uncontrolled by the government.
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Well of course, but engaging in this kind of smartassery isn't going to win you anything...
 
dimensionallava said:
oh well never mind then :roll:
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It's not. Anyone with a good set of eyes and a wee bit of knowledge could see that that rifle is not a machine gun. Not his fault that he had to explicitly point out to you that you were wrong.
 
Kal'Stang said:
England's monarchy is mainly show now a days. Parliament has most of the power. At least from what I can tell.

As for the rest, question for ya... how many people in the US wish that we could wind back time to "the good ole' days"? Point being that just because no one alive lived during X time frame does not mean that they don't romanticize it or try and bring it back... particularly if they have power.
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the communist party is probably the only group preventing a return to "the good ole days", alot of people want to bring back the emperor, and the USA loves dealing with countries with emporers, the UK isn't the only example saudi arabia is one of our best trading partners. Would you prefer china was a buddhist monarchy of some kind?... because wall st sure would
 
joG said:
That is one of their society's major weaknesses. Poor Chinese.
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If we didn't have a 1st Amendment, I wonder how long it would be before the Dems tried to pass laws to shutdown the Reps.
 
Luftwaffe said:
Well of course, but engaging in this kind of smartassery isn't going to win you anything...
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Neither is claiming that the government controllled church won't feel the same to begin with. It is a straw man.
 
dimensionallava said:
the communist party is probably the only group preventing a return to "the good ole days", alot of people want to bring back the emperor, and the USA loves dealing with countries with emporers, the UK isn't the only example saudi arabia is one of our best trading partners. Would you prefer china was a buddhist monarchy of some kind?... because wall st sure would
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So you are suggesting that China's current system is vastly superior to one that respects human rights?
 
American said:
If we didn't have a 1st Amendment, I wonder how long it would be before the Dems tried to pass laws to shutdown the Reps.
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They have already done so to those that object conscientiously
 
nota bene said:
As my colleague William Wan reported a few years ago, long-ingrained fears of foreign infiltration and imperialist plots underlie China's official wariness of religion.
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China has been more afraid of their own home-grown religion, Falun Gong, in the last few decades than they have been of Christianity. That's the movement they have been fighting hard to crush while they unofficially tolerate Christian churches as long as they remain small and out of view. So, I would question this reporter's interpretation of China being afraid of foreign infiltration through religion. I would venture to guess what they are more concerned with is the expansion of world-views that threaten their national narrative.
 
CrabCake said:
China has been more afraid of their own home-grown religion, Falun Gong, in the last few decades than they have been of Christianity. That's the movement they have been fighting hard to crush while they unofficially tolerate Christian churches as long as they remain small and out of view. So, I would question this reporter's interpretation of China being afraid of foreign infiltration through religion. I would venture to guess what they are more concerned with is the expansion of world-views that threaten their national narrative.
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From a historical point of view, the various religious groups have been focal points for rebellious groups for hundreds of years in China. It not a matter of discrimination against one religion or another so much as the elimination of any group that can act as a focal point for government opposition. It's brutal, it's repressive. However, it is not targeting Christianity so much as targeting all groups that can provide a central focal point for rebellion.
 
blackjack50 said:
Ah. Yes. Because this kind of action made by state sponsored atheism is EXACTLY what the world needs. You think American police are bad? Imagine a world of thought control where you can't even believe in your own religion because the thought police will get you.
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I do not agree that this is exactly what the world needds... but religion needs to be gone.
 
nota bene said:
And so you're saying that the terrible consequences of both rebellion and disobedience in the People's Republic of China are okay or even good?
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Define terrible...
 
Kal'Stang said:
Tell that to the children working in factories over there. Or the prisoners who get executed just so their organs can be harvested for the elite.
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why just china is my point? child labour happens all over the world, child labour is a crime in china and contrary to popular belief they do try to enforce those laws, but almost all the products made go to 1st world nations like the USA, your computer was made by them, donald trumps clothing line is made by them. The idea that capitalism is against slave labor is laughable.

lets talk about all of africa and south america were child slave labor happens everyday and the resulting products GO TO YOU whether in mines, or textile factories and then look at the tag on your clothing and tell me which sweatshop your shirt was made
 
dimensionallava said:
why just china is my point? child labour happens all over the world, child labour is a crime in china and contrary to popular belief they do try to enforce those laws, but almost all the products made go to 1st world nations like the USA, your computer was made by them, donald trumps clothing line is made by them. The idea that capitalism is against slave labor is laughable.

lets talk about all of africa and south america were child slave labor happens everyday and the resulting products GO TO YOU whether in mines, or textile factories and then look at the tag on your clothing and tell me which sweatshop your shirt was made
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All well and dandy there but this thread isn't about Africa or any other country. All that you're doing is trying to deflect from the topic.
 
dimensionallava said:
yeah but your a republican you say that about everyone
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So you just stereotype me because I am a republican? That seems ok to you?

I don't actually say most nations are bad. That would be a ridiculous claim. I respect the UK and many European nations. They have different laws and whilst I may disagree with their politics (and overly restrictive and objectively less free society), that doesn't make them human rights violating scum like China.

It is sad that you had to resort to a bigoted comment.
 
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