China signals opening for trade talks with US

[L88]

he says all kind of stupid shit, and you repeat it.

. No substantiation and assumption based on ignorance. You're just out trolling.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

. No substantiation

I have to "substantiate" that Don says stupid shit.....and you repeat it? He does all the time, you just did.

and assumption based on ignorance. You're just out trolling.

Its right there for everyone to see, and you are doubling down after claiming you are not MAGA.

Do you want to get into a debate about the level of stupidity of Dons claim of tariffs/reshoring?

 

[L88]

I have to "substantiate" that Don says stupid shit.....and you repeat it? He does all the time, you just did.

Its right there for everyone to see, and you are doubling down after claiming you are not MAGA.

Do you want to get into a debate about the level of stupidity of Dons claim of tariffs/reshoring?

My answer was to a question. Iguess your reading comprehension sucks. Now, where did I say I was in agreement?
I'm not a fan of the concept of reshoring, at least to our country, that Stalion has jumped the corral and is going to come back. I also don't agree with the draconian world universal tariff part.
I am a fan of taking China off our payroll and decreasing, if not eliminating, funding for their imperial expansion machine. But there is no way you will be able to understand that. It doesn't fit the narrative you're fed.

And going by your message history.... You're just a mindless troll suffering from binary groupthink.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

I'm not a fan of the concept of reshoring

And yet, you decided to repeat his stupid concept, quoting from an article where he is defending the concept. You did this in response to a challenge for anyone to explain the tariffs, you did not make any criticism of the concept....zero, you just repeat it. You then make your "if I was god" argument about eliminating China's imperialism. what a whatabout! great diversion from your not supporting maga!

Pathetic uselessness.

 

[L88]

And yet, you decided to repeat his stupid concept, quoting from an article where he is defending the concept. You did this in response to a challenge for anyone to explain the tariffs, you did not make any criticism of the concept....zero, you just repeat it. You then make your "if I was god" argument about eliminating China's imperialism. what a whatabout! great diversion from your not supporting maga!

Pathetic uselessness.

Whoops, somebody blew a gasket over a discussion. Not healthy. Don't try to read material that is over your head.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Whoops, somebody blew a gasket over a discussion. Not healthy. Don't try to read material that is over your head.

"I'm gunna posts pro-MAGA shit, and when I get called on it, I'll divert to crushing IMPERIALISM!"

 

[L88]

"I'm gunna posts pro-MAGA shit, and when I get called on it, I'll divert to crushing IMPERIALISM!"

You know, you're just like MAGA. The binary "you're either for 'em or agin 'em."
Except they call me a progressive.

Now take it easy and stick to some light reading for a bit.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

I'm not a real fan of the overall world trade war.
But regardless of what anybody else is saying in this thread they are funding their military with export dollars.
In addition you're concerned with some pretty serious first world problems.
My parents never bought any shoes that were made in china.

"I'm not really going to engage in the thread debate, because I can float above everyone by claiming my personal independence from world trade, and my parents did the same! Down with Imperialism you China supporting plebs!"

 

[L88]

"I'm not really going to engage in the thread debate, because I can float above everyone by claiming my personal independence from world trade, and my parents did the same! Down with Imperialism you China supporting plebs!"

Again, you have know idea what your talking about. I'm 65. Shoes were still made in St Louis MO. Clothes were made in the US. There was no China or India imports.
It's really sad your so limited on this subject.

Maybe some college would help you.

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[L88]

Now Gimmesometruth, think about this.

What if we gave incentives and started sourcing all the goods we can from central and South America that came from China?

Can you imagine the good it would do for all the refugees that are dying to come here and breaking up their families?

We'd be killing 2 birds with one stone.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

you have know idea what your talking about

uh-huh

 

[OlNate]

America is pretend 'hurting' while China is really hurting. Anybody in the know can see this. America has all the leverage because the trade is so one sided. Trump will end up on top but it's in everybody's interest to let all sides save face because this will drive a quicker resolution.

What do you think the world will do in the long term, though? Do you really believe there will be no consequence to face in America for all this chaos?

Like, yeah, I can get rich quick by robbing a bank, but then what?

 

[SavannahMann]

China signals opening for trade talks with US

State media message suggests softening of Beijing’s position, say analysts

www.ft.com

Chinese state media has said there would be “no harm” in holding trade talks with the Trump administration, indicating a softening of Beijing’s position as both sides look for a way out of their crushing tariff war.
The gesture comes as Trump has indicated he hopes to negotiate over trade and as the fallout has begun to show in China’s economic data, with factory activity in April dropping the most since 2023 as export orders dried up.

Yuyuan Tantian, an account affiliated with state broadcaster CCTV, said in a social media post on China’s Weibo platform on Thursday that Beijing did not need to talk to the US before Washington took substantive action.“But if the US wishes to engage with China, there’s no harm in it for China at this stage,” it said.


Analysts said the language represented a softening of Beijing’s position from last week when the commerce ministry indicated the US would need to drop its steep levies on China before negotiations could begin.

Andrew Polk, co-founder of Trivium China, an advisory group, said the post seemed “to be laying the groundwork to come to the table”.“By painting the US as the more eager, more anxious, more pressured party they are trying to portray themselves as coming from a place of strength,” he said. “This should play well with the domestic audience and give them cover to start negotiations.”

Quick question. So last week when Trump claimed that China was negotiating. The truth of course was that they were not. Does that signal a greater desperation on our part?

Because this is being spun as if we are winning when we were lying all week long weren’t we?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

What if we gave incentives

Is that what you think this admin would do? Is this your new thought experiment to distract from what Donny is doing?
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns.

 

[L88]

Why should we fund a country that practices shooting missiles into our aircraft carriers? Why should we fund that risk to our service people?
China is not only cyber attacking the US on multiple levels, they are collecting as much info on every American they can.

China is zero sum Mercantilist Nation. They want to strip everything worthwhile for as little as possible.

Before 2007 and all the barriers came down for imports from China and India we were growing year after and nobody knew we could get even more and cheaper goods. When this happened our Textile industries closed up over night.

Do the left wingers realize this is Nixon's great success they are enjoying?

 

[L88]

Is that what you think this admin would do? Is this your new thought experiment to distract from what Donny is doing?
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns.

Actually I write my Congress critters about it on a regular basis.

But hey...bro. get out there and burn another Tesla
Its been working so well.

Oh and your simple insults are accomplishing a **** ing thing on this forum. You're just wasting your life as usual.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Actually I write my Congress critters about it on a regular basis.

I said "Is that what you think this admin WILL do?", not "do you write letters". Whatever causes you to misread what I write, I hope it clears up.

But hey...bro. get out there and burn another Tesla
Its been working so well.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Correct. And we have all lived very well as a result.

We've lived on the national credit card, and now it's time to pay the Piper.

There is no reason to declare war now.

No one has "declared war." If something has been "declared," it's that the field has to be leveled so that our products aren't kept from competing in other countries because of high tariffs.

All we are doing is making China stronger and the USA weaker.

Yes, we've been doing that for too many years. It's time to stop.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

You make it sound like Asia did something wrong for supplying the good we wanted, comparatively inexpensively.

No. They sensibly took advantage of their much lower labor costs to make a wide variety of cheap products that we eagerly bought. They were so cheap that we stopped manufacturing those products and, eventually, lost our ability to make them. Now we don't even try to make them. American-designed products are shipped to Asia to be made, and the IP that goes with them is stolen.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

We've lived on the national credit card, and now it's time to pay the Piper.

No one has "declared war." If something has been "declared," it's that the field has to be leveled so that our products aren't kept from competing in other countries because of high tariffs.

Yes, we've been doing that for too many years. It's time to stop.

Its so weird seeing MAGA's conflate federal govt debt with trade imbalances.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

No. They sensibly took advantage of their much lower labor costs to make a wide variety of cheap products that we eagerly bought. They were so cheap that we stopped manufacturing those products and, eventually, lost our ability to make them. Now we don't even try to make them. American-designed products are shipped to Asia to be made, and the IP that goes with them is stolen.

You can't reverse economic and manufacturing progress anymore than you can hold back waves with your hand. As an economy ages, it either progresses or stagnates, we chose to not have kids working in factories, we chose to have nurses rather to keep digging coal. This country is a service based economy, you are not going to have factories suddenly pop-up and fill them with fired DC planners screwing i-phones together. Its absurd, you know it is.

 

[Callen]

No one has "declared war." If something has been "declared," it's that the field has to be leveled so that our products aren't kept from competing in other countries because of high tariffs.

Have you any specific examples of that happening?

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Its so weird seeing MAGA's conflate federal govt debt with trade imbalances.

It's not "weird" at all. The trade imbalances and the debt exist. We would be better able to pay the interest on the debt if more people were working and paying income tax. More people could get jobs if more manufacturing were needed to satisfy export demands, and export demand would increase if our products weren't disadvantaged in foreign markets by high tariffs. More sales of American products in foreign markets would reduce the trade imbalance.

So what's "weird" is to think that the two aren't connected.

 

[L88]

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[Gimmesometruth]

It's not "weird" at all. The trade imbalances and the debt exist

That is not an argument of their correlation.

. We would be better able to pay the interest on the debt if more people were working and paying income tax.

Which has nothing to do with trade or debt directly, AND YOU HAVE REJECTED INCREASING INCOME REVENUE AS A MEANS TO COUNTER DEBT IN PREVIOUS DEBATES.

More people could get jobs if more manufacturing were needed to satisfy export demands, and export demand would increase if our products weren't disadvantaged in foreign markets by high tariffs. More sales of American products in foreign markets would reduce the trade imbalance.

Export demand? DUDE....we are engaging in a trade war, we are taking ourselves out of exporting, we are going to try to increase our domestic manufacturing for domestic consumption with tariffs, without subsidization, which makes our products completely uncompetitive for export in the first place. Further, other nations are going to block are exports with their tariffs on our uncompetative exports.

What in the **** are you talking about?

So what's "weird" is to think that the two aren't connected.

Exports and imports are components of GDP, they are not a direct function of govt outlays vs govt revenue. You can't hinge govt revenue on tariffs, tariffs are not supplied by outside money, they are paid by US consumers. You just refuse to understand how insane this MAGA crap is.