China reports "0" new deaths from coronavirus

[Luce]

yep..China probably just gave her some paid time off for her hard work.

They're generous like that. They only bill you if they execute you.

Then your family is invoiced for the bullet.

What a bunch of nice guys.

 

[Hamish Howl]

More then US politicians and media ?

I'd think the margin between them would be microscopic.

 

[Sandokan]

Ok, we need evidence of your absurdly nonsensical claim about China and the WHO.

On January 23 the World Health Organization (WHO) repeated reports provided by Beijing that coronavirus is not a “Public Health Emergency of International Concern.” On January 30, WHO declared the Wuhan Virus a PHEIC, but continued to defend the Chinese response as exemplary, playing down the threat.

The U.S. contribute about 76% of the voluntary contributions, near to one billion dollars. China contribute less than 10%. WHO promoted misinformation helping China to cover up a global pandemic. The organization need to be held accountable.

 

[EnigmaO01]

On January 23 the World Health Organization (WHO) repeated reports provided by Beijing that coronavirus is not a “Public Health Emergency of International Concern.” On January 30, WHO declared the Wuhan Virus a PHEIC, but continued to defend the Chinese response as exemplary, playing down the threat.

The U.S. contribute about 76% of the voluntary contributions, near to one billion dollars. China contribute less than 10%. WHO promoted misinformation helping China to cover up a global pandemic. The organization need to be held accountable.

No link?

 

[snakestretcher]

On January 23 the World Health Organization (WHO) repeated reports provided by Beijing that coronavirus is not a “Public Health Emergency of International Concern.” On January 30, WHO declared the Wuhan Virus a PHEIC, but continued to defend the Chinese response as exemplary, playing down the threat.

The U.S. contribute about 76% of the voluntary contributions, near to one billion dollars. China contribute less than 10%. WHO promoted misinformation helping China to cover up a global pandemic. The organization need to be held accountable.

Complete nonsense. The WHO can only act on the information it is provided with. If that information is incomplete or incorrect how and why can the organisation be held accountable?

 

[gboisjo]

Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan View Post
On January 23 the World Health Organization (WHO) repeated reports provided by Beijing that coronavirus is not a “Public Health Emergency of International Concern.” On January 30, WHO declared the Wuhan Virus a PHEIC, but continued to defend the Chinese response as exemplary, playing down the threat.

The U.S. contribute about 76% of the voluntary contributions, near to one billion dollars. China contribute less than 10%. WHO promoted misinformation helping China to cover up a global pandemic. The organization need to be held accountable.

No link?

Most conservative posters on this forum don't know what a link is ..besides that backing up BS is impossible.

“When the sky’s falling, I take shelter under bull****.”

 

[MMKing]

China has defeated coronavirus without any medicine or vaccine ?

 

[Lovebug]

China reports.

 

[Sandokan]

No link?

Here are the links:
WHO Committee Says Coronavirus, Not a Global Emergency:
Nigeria: WHO Committee Says Coronavirus, Not a Global Emergency - allAfrica.com

Coronavirus: US and Australia close borders to Chinese arrivals:
Coronavirus: US and Australia close borders to Chinese arrivals - BBC News

Complete nonsense. The WHO can only act on the information it is provided with. If that information is incomplete or incorrect how and why can the organisation be held accountable?

See response above for the “absurdly nonsensical claim about China and the WHO.” Complete nonsense is to support the Chinese government claim that accuse the U.S. of responding too slowly to the coronavirus outbreak. Of course the WHO shall be held accountable.

Most conservative posters on this forum don't know what a link is ..besides that backing up BS is impossible.

“When the sky’s falling, I take shelter under bull****.”

Apparently you don’t like the truth. But you did followed your predicament and you took shelter.

 

[Sandokan]

U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House that China has hidden the extent of its coronavirus outbreak
U.S. Intelligence Concludes China Concealed Extent of Coronavirus Outbreak | National Review

U.S. Intelligence Concludes China Concealed Extent of Coronavirus Outbreak
U.S. Intelligence Concludes China Concealed Extent of Coronavirus Outbreak | National Review

By Zachary Evans, April 1, 2020

Security personell wear facemasks at a checkpoint at the Jiujiang Yangtze River Bridge as the country is hit by an outbreak of coronavirus in Jiujiang, Jiangxi Province, China, February 4, 2020. (Thomas Peter/Reuters

The U.S. Intelligence Community has concluded that China concealed the extent of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak in the country, Bloomberg News reported on Wednesday.

A classified report submitted to the White House states that China intentionally lowered its reported number of coronavirus cases, according to three officials familiar with the matter. The officials did not indicate if the report estimates what China’s actual infection rate is.

The news comes a day after Dr. Deborah Birx, response coordinator for the White House Coronavirus Task Force, suggested that the U.S. response to the pandemic may not have been as effective as possible due to “missing” data from China.

“The medical community interpreted the Chinese data as, this was serious, but smaller than anyone expected,” Birx said at a press briefing. “Because, probably…we were missing a significant amount of the data, now that we see what happened to Italy and we see what happened to Spain.”
Click link above forfull article

According to the classified report by the US Intelligence. China government report reduced the coronavirus number of cases and death. Looking at those numbers reported by others countries, it is obvious that the Chinese government is lying. At the same time most of the MSM are accepting those number without any investigation and praising the china regime. It is sound like a quid pro quo.

 

[joko104]

Next China will be reporting increasing numbers of the dead from covid-19 are coming back to life - and Democrats and the MSM will report this as fact.

 

[joko104]

When it comes to working together, the Asians put us to shame. Its how a backwards ass people beat the mightiest Military in the world ..Viet Nam.

The US has been all over the place in its fight against the corona virus ..we couldn't even make up our minds about mask.

Democrats beat us in Vietnam. Can't forget the leftwing press either.

After becoming president after Kennedy - who was refusing to go to war in Vietnam - was assassinated, LBJ then won election by promises he absolutelyl would not send "American boys to die in S.E. Asia" - calling Goldwater a warmonger. After elected, LBJ sent over half a million American boys to Vietnam.

He announced to North Vietnam and the VietCog that N. Vietnam and Laos were safe bases they could establish based in as points of attack along the entire S. Vietnamese border. Nixon bombed the hell out of N. Vietnam and authorized attack into Laos. Democrats went beserk. The leftwing media blew the whistle on our forces in Laos when only 5 kms from the enemy base.

With riots across the USA and blocked from actually being able to attack the enemy always meant the war was unwinnable. Nixon massively bombed Hanoi so at least our troops could safely leave. Democrats in Congress declared attacking the enemy was grounds of impeachment.

 

[Tangmo]

On January 23 the World Health Organization (WHO) repeated reports provided by Beijing that coronavirus is not a “Public Health Emergency of International Concern.” On January 30, WHO declared the Wuhan Virus a PHEIC, but continued to defend the Chinese response as exemplary, playing down the threat.

The U.S. contribute about 76% of the voluntary contributions, near to one billion dollars. China contribute less than 10%. WHO promoted misinformation helping China to cover up a global pandemic. The organization need to be held accountable.

It starts at the top of course with the WHO new Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus (Tedros) whose election was supported full on by the CCP Dictator Tyrants in Beijing.

Only four months into his term Tedros appointed Robert Mugabe WHO Goodwill ambassador. This is commonly known as payback for Mugabe securing the African Union’s support in the WHO election and to CCP Boyz in Beijing who over decades have always made Mugabe their BFF, visiting each other to lavish banquets and pompous ceremony.

The issue is that the Ethiopian Tedros is trying to transmogrify the WHO into authoritarian political purposes and goals rather than WHO being universally medical in its primary global mission of health and disease control and eradication. Tedros defeated a British candidate for DG who he said represented the "colonial mindset." (So I expect my liberal friends to rush to Tedros' defense and support while attacking his critics.)




World’s doctor gives WHO a headache

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus raised eyebrows with his appointment of Robert Mugabe and new recruitment policies. But the real shocker was his choice of a Russian to head up agency’s tuberculosis fight.

World’s doctor gives WHO a headache – POLITICO

 

[Tangmo]

Democrats beat us in Vietnam. Can't forget the leftwing press either.

After becoming president after Kennedy - who was refusing to go to war in Vietnam - was assassinated, LBJ then won election by promises he absolutelyl would not send "American boys to die in S.E. Asia" - calling Goldwater a warmonger. After elected, LBJ sent over half a million American boys to Vietnam.

He announced to North Vietnam and the VietCog that N. Vietnam and Laos were safe bases they could establish based in as points of attack along the entire S. Vietnamese border. Nixon bombed the hell out of N. Vietnam and authorized attack into Laos. Democrats went beserk. The leftwing media blew the whistle on our forces in Laos when only 5 kms from the enemy base.

With riots across the USA and blocked from actually being able to attack the enemy always meant the war was unwinnable. Nixon massively bombed Hanoi so at least our troops could safely leave. Democrats in Congress declared attacking the enemy was grounds of impeachment.

You must have pulled that out of a file that has 40 years of dust on it.

 

[Tangmo]

When it comes to working together, the Asians put us to shame. Its how a backwards ass people beat the mightiest Military in the world ..Viet Nam.

They didn't have to fight the mightiest military in the world. They only got parts of it and in ways that were highly restricted and limited.

I believe that this virus has a peak and then a decline. China has been experiencing the decline and now there are very few cases.

Yes I believe this is true.

What I don't buy into is the fear and panic that our country is not going to experience this same peak and decline as well. We need to get hold of ourselves and stop making ourselves crazy and stupid with fear. Fear is a killer.

See below in China thx.

Again, because they were thought be part of or supporting terrorism. The US does not possess mind readers. If an Afghan or Iraqi comes to us and says
“Yusuf is a Taliban fighter” we have no reason to immediately think that they are lying.

China is literally committing cultural genocide in Xinjiang right now.People in Chinese prisons have no expectation of any of that, nor do they have anyone advocating for them. All they can expect from the state is a bullet.

The attempt to try and try an equivalence between the US and China is simply absurd.

Indeed. Bottom line is that USA are the good guys and CCP-PRC to include its obedient population are the bad guys.

China bashing in China of Americans and from UK is a common and ordinary occurrence since the advent of the Wuhan China COVID-19 Global Plague unleashed by the CCP against the peoples and economies of the world. China sycophants in USA and the West need to be confronted with the racism of Chinese in China and their xenophobia, parochialism, nastiness, prejudices. Those who take as a given the Chinese are perfect and superior need a harsh awakening to the contrary.

Here's from the China Law Blog where they advise the reader, "We tell you more than just that the law is this and this is what needs to be done to comply. We want this blog to be a place for both conversation and controversy."



On a more personal level, foreigners — particularly Americans — are getting tarred with the lie that they started the coronavirus in China so as to “slow down China’s rise.” This has become the Chinese government’s de facto position regarding its genesis and many Chinese citizens now believe and have become angered by this. We are hearing countless reports from foreigners being yelled at (sometimes while out with their children) for “wanting to harm China.” The most interesting — and concerning — thing about China’s response is what it tells us about broader attitudes towards foreigners, and their place in China’s economy and society. If this is what is happening now, imagine how it will be if a severe second wave of COVID-19 hits China.



“Beware of a second outbreak started by foreign garbage.”

This is from a China website that is untouched by CCP censors -- and, indeed, welcomed by the Party. (Mainland Simplified Chinese to English)


Foreigners in China in the Time of Coronavirus: "See the Whole as Well as the Parts" | China Law Blog

 

[snakestretcher]

Here are the links:
WHO Committee Says Coronavirus, Not a Global Emergency:
Nigeria: WHO Committee Says Coronavirus, Not a Global Emergency - allAfrica.com

Coronavirus: US and Australia close borders to Chinese arrivals:
Coronavirus: US and Australia close borders to Chinese arrivals - BBC News


See response above for the “absurdly nonsensical claim about China and the WHO.” Complete nonsense is to support the Chinese government claim that accuse the U.S. of responding too slowly to the coronavirus outbreak. Of course the WHO shall be held accountable.


Apparently you don’t like the truth. But you did followed your predicament and you took shelter.

Your link does nothing to 'prove' your case. The article clearly states that the WHO had NOT dismissed the severity of the situation but had merely postponed making any decisions until further evidence was obtained.
"But the committee members agreed on the urgency of the situation and suggested the committee should reconvene in a matter of days to discuss the matter further..." Which they did.

 

[snakestretcher]

They didn't have to fight the mightiest military in the world. They only got parts of it and in ways that were highly restricted and limited.







See below in China thx.








Indeed. Bottom line is that USA are the good guys and CCP-PRC to include its obedient population are the bad guys.

China bashing in China of Americans and from UK is a common and ordinary occurrence since the advent of the Wuhan China COVID-19 Global Plague unleashed by the CCP against the peoples and economies of the world. China sycophants in USA and the West need to be confronted with the racism of Chinese in China and their xenophobia, parochialism, nastiness, prejudices. Those who take as a given the Chinese are perfect and superior need a harsh awakening to the contrary.

Here's from the China Law Blog where they advise the reader, "We tell you more than just that the law is this and this is what needs to be done to comply. We want this blog to be a place for both conversation and controversy."



On a more personal level, foreigners — particularly Americans — are getting tarred with the lie that they started the coronavirus in China so as to “slow down China’s rise.” This has become the Chinese government’s de facto position regarding its genesis and many Chinese citizens now believe and have become angered by this. We are hearing countless reports from foreigners being yelled at (sometimes while out with their children) for “wanting to harm China.” The most interesting — and concerning — thing about China’s response is what it tells us about broader attitudes towards foreigners, and their place in China’s economy and society. If this is what is happening now, imagine how it will be if a severe second wave of COVID-19 hits China.



“Beware of a second outbreak started by foreign garbage.”

This is from a China website that is untouched by CCP censors -- and, indeed, welcomed by the Party. (Mainland Simplified Chinese to English)


Foreigners in China in the Time of Coronavirus: "See the Whole as Well as the Parts" | China Law Blog

Rubbish, you got beat in Vietnam fair and square after throwing everything short of nukes at the North Vietnamese. Operation Rolling Thunder; failed spectacularly

 

[Tangmo]

Rubbish, you got beat in Vietnam fair and square after throwing everything short of nukes at the North Vietnamese. Operation Rolling Thunder; failed spectacularly

I'm not going to argue the VN War here as I referenced the major point about it only in reply and in passing. The major point of the war being that anyone who thinks Operation Rolling Thunder -- or any aspect of the war -- was the full might of the US armed forces and who would want to challenge the full might would be rolling the dice and come up snakeyes. They'd be more than stretching it.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Certainly, the lying, fascist Chinese government would report that. They will keep lying right up until the point that the real information is leaked, they get egg on their faces, they finally admit the truth, the world congratulates them for finally being responsible and honest, and they then go right back to lying again about the next issue of major controversy. Lather, rinse and repeat.

And they will continue doing that until the incentive structures change in such a way that the Chinese Communist Party believes it is in the Party's and their Country's benefit to be open, honest and law-governed, rather than organically and structurally mendacious, repressively power-obsessed and fascistic.

I'm not sure I understand this whole China is lying. Don't Taiwan and South Korea also have things under control?

China moved rather quickly and shut down whole cities and used cameras and GPS to track people. Why is it surprising that they have this under control? They have experience with bird flu, SARS, MERS, etc. What's shocking is how poorly prepared Europe and the U.S. were. Outbreaks can happen and we should have been better prepared.

 

[Felis Leo]

I'm not sure I understand this whole China is lying. Don't Taiwan and South Korea also have things under control?

China moved rather quickly and shut down whole cities and used cameras and GPS to track people. Why is it surprising that they have this under control? They have experience with bird flu, SARS, MERS, etc. What's shocking is how poorly prepared Europe and the U.S. were. Outbreaks can happen and we should have been better prepared.

The reason these statistics beggar belief is because the CCP has lied from the very beginning of this outbreak, allowed millions of people to leave Wuhan and spread outwards across China, arrested whistleblowers, and ejected independent Western journalists from their country. Without independent third-party verification, I do not believe anything that Chinese government or its government-controlled news networks have to say on the matter. Anyone who knows what the Chinese government has done up until this point and still genuinely takes them at their word has a frighteningly high level of credulity.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Democrats beat us in Vietnam. Can't forget the leftwing press either.

After becoming president after Kennedy - who was refusing to go to war in Vietnam - was assassinated, LBJ then won election by promises he absolutelyl would not send "American boys to die in S.E. Asia" - calling Goldwater a warmonger. After elected, LBJ sent over half a million American boys to Vietnam.

He announced to North Vietnam and the VietCog that N. Vietnam and Laos were safe bases they could establish based in as points of attack along the entire S. Vietnamese border. Nixon bombed the hell out of N. Vietnam and authorized attack into Laos. Democrats went beserk. The leftwing media blew the whistle on our forces in Laos when only 5 kms from the enemy base.

With riots across the USA and blocked from actually being able to attack the enemy always meant the war was unwinnable. Nixon massively bombed Hanoi so at least our troops could safely leave. Democrats in Congress declared attacking the enemy was grounds of impeachment.

The government LIED to the American people about the war.

We killed millions of Vietnamese. For what? People like you make me sick. You can't imagine the horror we created because of some obsession with Communism and the paranoid fear of the "Domino Effect." These are mothers, fathers and children. Millions dead. For what? The Communists took over anyway. Their policies failed and now you can vacation in Vietnam.

Vietnam is a testament to how destructive conservative thinking is.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

The reason these statistics beggar belief is because the CCP has lied from the very beginning of this outbreak, allowed millions of people to leave Wuhan and spread outwards across China, arrested whistleblowers, and ejected independent Western journalists from their country. Without independent third-party verification, I do not believe anything that Chinese government or its government-controlled news networks have to say on the matter. Anyone who knows what the Chinese government has done up until this point and still genuinely takes them at their word has a frighteningly high level of credulity.

But I proposed a clear argument: If Taiwan and South Korea have things under control, why is it unlikely that China has also done so?

Moreover, they have reopened Wuhan, which was at the center.

I think we need to own up to the fact that we were unprepared. Our government has failed us. We can blame China but it's our government's responsibility to deal with pandemics and outbreaks.

Some governments get good grades (Taiwan, South Korea, Germany, New Zealand, etc) and some get poor grades (Italy, Spain, the United States). You have to hold the government accountable. We are not Chinese citizens.

 

[joko104]

The government LIED to the American people about the war.

We killed millions of Vietnamese. For what? People like you make me sick. You can't imagine the horror we created because of some obsession with Communism and the paranoid fear of the "Domino Effect." These are mothers, fathers and children. Millions dead. For what? The Communists took over anyway. Their policies failed and now you can vacation in Vietnam.

Vietnam is a testament to how destructive conservative thinking is.

Vietnam is a testament to how destructive the Democratic Party - the party of war and death - is. Over 90% of all American war deaths have been under Democratic Party leadership. Democrat LBJ campaigned on a promise to "not send American boys to die in SE Asia" and after the election sent half a million - while assuring the VietCog and North Vietnamese army that N. Vietnam and Laos were safe home bases where they could operate out of and attack anywhere along the long border. People who lie about facts and history for partisanship man-god worship are who make me "sick," fully lacking both intellectual integrity nor any independent self whatsoever.

 

[joko104]

China's annual biological warfare against their elderly and the entire world has killed more people in the world than all wars and civil wars in the world over the last 200 years combined: Over half a million people EVERY YEAR - after year - after year - after year - after year - after year - after year - after year - after year. It is known EXACTLY where each new stain of conona virus comes from and how they are created and spread willingfully and knowingly for financial profit by the Chinese government - and their American richest-people-on-earth partners.

Flu Kills 646,000 People Worldwide Each Year

But none of you care. All that matters is you can buy a roll of tape for 9 cents less making the super rich 18 cents and costing 11 cents in inflation. That is more important than death to nearly all of you, however many millions of deaths worldwide and destruction of the country.

I believe this is basis to go to a formal declaration of war against China in response to their perpetual biological warfare and non-stop mass murdering crimes worldwide against humanity. But if not, a 100% no exception embargo from anything or anyone from China - and all travel to China outlaws for which if anyone goes to China they may never return.

Any country that will not 100% do the same, also is 100% blocked. If this makes the USA a purely isolated country, so be it. NOTHING could cause more harm, terror, hate mongering, economic ruin and social destruction than is happening now.

 

[Felis Leo]

But I proposed a clear argument: If Taiwan and South Korea have things under control, why is it unlikely that China has also done so?

Here are the reasons as to why I believe that South Korea and Taiwan's governments have done a better job of containing the COVID-19 pandemic while I do not believe the Chinese government's claims, SonOfDaedalus:

1. Both Taiwan and South Korea are smaller countries which from a logistical perspective means they are able to marshal their emergency resources more easily and effectively and thus able contain outbreaks more easily. China is an absolutely massive sprawling country with several massive megalopolises and a huge dispersed population in the countryside.

2. Both Taiwan and South Korea are geographically isolated (South Korea is a an isolated peninsula while Taiwan is an island) and can prevent easy access into their countries from infected persons from mainland China. Again, China is a huge country with relatively easy freedom of travel.

3. Both Taiwan and South Korea are much more advanced in terms of their countries infrastructure and medical services they can provide their citizens, whereas China is for all its neon lights and its pretty glittering but-nonetheless-cheaply constructed skyscrapers is a developing country. Their medical services outside of their so-called First Tier cities (Wuhan is not a top First Tier city) are generally quite poor.

4. By all indications, both Taiwan and South Korea have prepared more adequately for potential disease outbreaks from mainland China, with contingency plans in place. China meanwhile had no comprehensive plan that went into effect for containing the coronavirus outbreak. Everything they did was ad hoc, and they let hundreds of thousands of people leave Wuhan's culinary festival and disperse across the country without containing them.

5. Both Taiwan and South Korea have governments which are both responsible to the people of their nations (they are law governed democratic republics). The failure of political leaders to adequately prepare or respond would mean that the governments would suffer at the ballot box and if it was bad enough, they might very well suffer in the courts for criminal negligence. The Chinese government has no such similar fears, because they are not beholden to the people. The people of China have no way to hold the government accountable outside of violent revolution. Thus the Chinese government does not feel the same degree of pressure as Taiwan and South Korea for preparing for or responding to the virus outbreak beyond the economic consequences and it literally infecting members of the CCP.

6. Finally, both Taiwan and South Korea have free presses with the possibility for independent investigative journalism, so we are not just relying on information from governmental sources. China has no free and independent press. We know precisely as much information about the situation in China as the Chinese government allows to be released (outside of unauthorized whistleblowers and online activists). And since the Chinese government has lied persistently throughout all of this, I have literally not a single reason to believe them without independent third-party verification for their claims (which, again, the Chinese government has not allowed). We do not even know just how "open" Wuhan really is presently and how contained the Coronavirus is because the Chinese government is not conducting tests of people who have not traveled outside of China.

I think we need to own up to the fact that we were unprepared. Our government has failed us. We can blame China but it's our government's responsibility to deal with pandemics and outbreaks.

Some governments get good grades (Taiwan, South Korea, Germany, New Zealand, etc) and some get poor grades (Italy, Spain, the United States). You have to hold the government accountable. We are not Chinese citizens.

I have not said that we should not hold our government responsible for failing to adequately prepare and respond to the coronavirus pandemic.