China Prevents American War

Fried Rice · Feb 22, 2005

Hoe come the "World superpower" USA cant even get poor impoverished North Korea to table to talk about nuclear weapons ? You destroy Iraq which has no weapons but are too scared to take on North Korea that DOES have weapons and is your "Axis Of Evil" I guess no oil and didnt try to hurt Bush daddy.

Lucky for world China again uses its DIPLOMATIC power to make North Korea see sense and return to negoitiations. Even though we on doorstep of North Korea and at most risk from these bombs, we dont get all "G I Joe" and go in and kill civilians in name of "Freedom"

USA needs to ask China for more support as seems it has no clue how to act on world stage.

We had Mr Bush press conference from NATO play on our TV last night. I had to check the channel to be sure it wasnt a comedy program. he does sound like idiot.

Fried Rice still laughing

Schweddy · Feb 22, 2005

Fried Rice said:
Hoe come the "World superpower" USA cant even get poor impoverished North Korea to table to talk about nuclear weapons ? You destroy Iraq which has no weapons but are too scared to take on North Korea that DOES have weapons and is your "Axis Of Evil" I guess no oil and didnt try to hurt Bush daddy.

Umm... last I checked they were spitting in Chinas face as well.

Lucky for world China again uses its DIPLOMATIC power to make North Korea see sense and return to negoitiations.

Lets run over people with tanks if they disagree. Yep, very diplomatic. It was not China that got them back at the table. Regardless of what your media said.

Even though we on doorstep of North Korea and at most risk from these bombs, we dont get all "G I Joe" and go in and kill civilians in name of "Freedom".

The word "freedom" is not the same in China as it is in true free countries.

USA needs to ask China for more support as seems it has no clue how to act on world stage.

We are. As you stated, NK is your neighbor and not ours. Therefore, China has more to loose. In case you didn't pay attention, Bush was asking for China and all of the NK neighbors to take control of the situation. Not because we can't, but because China is a world power and should utilize it.

Fried Rice · Feb 22, 2005

The current situation is a result of your ridiculous stance on certain countries ie Axis Of Evil. Six Party talks are a direct result of USA inability to solve matters in diplomatic manner. We are sorting out your mess. Really - if NK was a terrorist / evil threat, our famous tanks would have crushed he place in one day. Even though this "threat" is on our border, we seek peaceful and diplomatic solution. We even include Japan our "long time enemy" It is USA who acts first then needs others to sort out the mess. Look at your president grovlling in Europe.

Fried Rice is raising his eyes skyward

Schweddy · Feb 22, 2005

We seek a peaceful solution as well. As does the UN. Which we would have to go through to get any additional sanctions against NK.

You do realize it was the USA that put six parties together in the first place, right? NK didn't choose to talk overnight. There was definatly some excellent dipomacy going on in both our countries. Or do you believe it was only China that endorsed the start of these talks 3 years ago?

Perhaps your media is even more biased than ours.

Fried Rice · Feb 22, 2005

vauge said:
We seek a peaceful solution as well. As does the UN. Which we would have to go through to get any additional sanctions against NK.

You do realize it was the USA that put six parties together in the first place, right? NK didn't choose to talk overnight. There was definatly some excellent dipomacy going on in both our countries. Or do you believe it was only China that endorsed the start of these talks 3 years ago?

Perhaps your media is even more biased than ours.

Six party talks where a direct result of USA inability to obtain solution by its own methods. We did not even seek talks as saw NK as no threat. It is only because of USA actions that NK is now taking its aggressive stance.

Agree with you on UN - pity your country chose to ignore those sanctions over Iraq. I remember Colon Powell with his Powerpoint presentation of 'evidence'. This was universally scorned but you went in anyway. i wonder how many are dead because of it.

Schweddy · Feb 23, 2005

Fried Rice said:
Agree with you on UN - pity your country chose to ignore those sanctions over Iraq. I remember Colon Powell with his Powerpoint presentation of 'evidence'. This was universally scorned but you went in anyway. i wonder how many are dead because of it.

Equally a pity that you are arguing what you seem to know nothing about.

China has endorsed 11 of the 18 resolutions that were against Sadam. China as well concluded that Sadam was a threat. Well before Powell stepped foot in that chamber to present evidence. But, you guys were involved in the XinJiang (sp?) issue claiming that terrorism was in your own country after 911. While really it was a way of oppressing more people because of thier religion. Had other things to worry about I guess.

Like France - you voted for 1811 and then pulled out at the last minute. If the evidence was insufficent, why did you vote for it?

I wonder how many people are dead because China, France, and Germany didn't help to get it done with fast and swift?

anomaly · Feb 23, 2005

Fried Rice said:
Hoe come the "World superpower" USA cant even get poor impoverished North Korea to table to talk about nuclear weapons ? You destroy Iraq which has no weapons but are too scared to take on North Korea that DOES have weapons and is your "Axis Of Evil" I guess no oil and didnt try to hurt Bush daddy.

Lucky for world China again uses its DIPLOMATIC power to make North Korea see sense and return to negoitiations. Even though we on doorstep of North Korea and at most risk from these bombs, we dont get all "G I Joe" and go in and kill civilians in name of "Freedom"

USA needs to ask China for more support as seems it has no clue how to act on world stage.

We had Mr Bush press conference from NATO play on our TV last night. I had to check the channel to be sure it wasnt a comedy program. he does sound like idiot.

Fried Rice still laughing

Hate to disagree with you, but China is not the country most in danger of these nukes. South korea and Japan are. Actually, only Bush is at fault here. I agree with you, Mr. Rice, that the USA is currently not so great a nation. But we certainly could be, and we are still a great people...we'll right this ship. I can't believe you're mocking the USA for not giving freedom to other people. The USA's foreign policy sucks, but atleast our gov't doesn't kill its own people for disagreeing. Your gov't kills more people each year than all others combined. Now I know that your dictator says what you can watch and hear, but perhaps you should sometime try to see some real news. Don't brag about your country by criticizing another for not showing human rights when your own country is the worst offender in this area. Perhaps your not allowed to criticize your gov't, but stop making China look like 'the good guy' in all of this. The only reason you can talk with Kim Gone Insane is because your country feeds them, and without China, NK ceases to exist.

Fried Rice · Feb 23, 2005

anomaly said:
Hate to disagree with you, but China is not the country most in danger of these nukes. South korea and Japan are. Actually, only Bush is at fault here. I agree with you, Mr. Rice, that the USA is currently not so great a nation. But we certainly could be, and we are still a great people...we'll right this ship. I can't believe you're mocking the USA for not giving freedom to other people. The USA's foreign policy sucks, but atleast our gov't doesn't kill its own people for disagreeing. Your gov't kills more people each year than all others combined. Now I know that your dictator says what you can watch and hear, but perhaps you should sometime try to see some real news. Don't brag about your country by criticizing another for not showing human rights when your own country is the worst offender in this area. Perhaps your not allowed to criticize your gov't, but stop making China look like 'the good guy' in all of this. The only reason you can talk with Kim Gone Insane is because your country feeds them, and without China, NK ceases to exist.

Please supply figures to show how we kill so many people. At same time look at how much death has been caused by USA financing and supporting Taliban, Saddam, South American dictators, Saudi Arabia etc etc etc. We acknowledge that in the past we have not given regard to human rights, but how far we move in very short time ! You have 'freedom' for many years yet your streets are not safe, your people are in poverty, your economy is dying and you think to fight first talk later.

Schweddy · Feb 23, 2005

You have 'freedom' for many years yet your streets are not safe, your people are in poverty, your economy is dying and you think to fight first talk later.

Contrary to popular belief - our economy is skyrocketing. Contrary to popular belief - our poverty level is still higher than most other nations. I think it was in another thread that said the average person that is considered at poverty level has a frig, 2 TV's, a DVD player, computer, and a car.

As far as streets being 100% safe, name a country that is.

As far as fighting first and talking later, again you blatantly ignor the 18 resolutions, the UN, and your own government for agreeing with our position.

gypsy0032 · Feb 23, 2005

Fried Rice said:
Please supply figures to show how we kill so many people. At same time look at how much death has been caused by USA financing and supporting Taliban, Saddam, South American dictators, Saudi Arabia etc etc etc. We acknowledge that in the past we have not given regard to human rights, but how far we move in very short time ! You have 'freedom' for many years yet your streets are not safe, your people are in poverty, your economy is dying and you think to fight first talk later.

Ummmm, how about Tibet?

I don't think I need to say anything else.

shuamort · Feb 23, 2005

Hooray for China!
China blocks news not porn online

Chinese internet surfers have almost unfettered access to pornography, but news, health and education sites are routinely blocked, US researchers have found.

Hooray for China!
China's Internet Censorship

Internet sites on democracy, Tibet and Taiwan were among Web destinations most frequently blocked by the Chinese government, a study of Chinese online access shows.

Hooray for China!
Prisoner abuse/death penalty abuse:

the death penalty targets poor and marginalized groups including ethnic minorities, migrant communities, political dissidents, and so called "separatists".
Executions also tend to be clustered around national holidays including National Day or the Chinese New Year. Chinese officials have even commemorated International Children’s Day by holding grim rallies around the execution of several prisoners.
Organ Trafficking.:Amnesty International is very concerned about reports of the sale of organs harvested from executed prisoners without permission.
According to incomplete statistics, there were 200 executions reported in the two weeks leading up to the start of the lunar new year, 9 February.

Hooray for China!
Inability to speak out:

Within the last eighteen months, at least five activists have been imprisoned for vaguely defined 'state secrets' offences, after they collected information on human rights issues and sent it abroad. They include:
Abdulghani Memetemin, a 40-year-old journalist and teacher, who reported on human rights violations against the ethnic Uighur community in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region, in north-west China
Liu Fenggang, 45, who wrote a number of reports about the destruction of Protestant churches and the harsh treatment suffered by members of underground congregations
Zheng Enchong, a 54-year-old lawyer, who represented families who had been forcibly evicted from their homes in Shanghai. He was accused of faxing documents to a human rights NGO in New York.

Hooray for China!
School trips for children to see executions:

In a bizarre holiday celebration several hundred schoolchildren were taken to watch six men being sentenced to death at a public sentencing rally, according to a Chinese internet report.

Hooray for China!
Little room to believe what you want under the government's watchful eye:

Unfortunately, closer examination of the new "Regulations on Religious Affairs", due to be promulgated on 1 March 2005, shows that there is little change in Chinese policy, where religion is strictly controlled by the government. The rules do not define "religious belief" nor do they give any elaboration of the "normal" and "legitimate" religious activities it is claimed the regulations protect.

While five religions are officially recognised -- Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Protestantism and Catholicism -- these are only allowed to organise under the control and scrutiny of the authorities. For example, Catholicism in China exists in the form of the Patriotic Catholic Church of China, which is not united with Rome and its Bishops are chosen by Beijing and not by the Pope. Members of the Roman Catholic Church in China are heavily persecuted, as are members of any other church not among those recognised by the state.

Zhang Rongliang is the leader of the China for Christ Church, one of the largest "house church" networks in China, and is also leader of the Protestant Fangcheng Mother Church. He was detained in Xuzhai village, where he lives, in Zhengzhou city. According to a church member, the police searched every household in the village and confiscated Christian DVDs, other materials and photos revealing Zhang's "connections with foreigners and foreign agencies that showed Zhang had contacted organisations overseas."

Hooray for China!
Protestor against forced abortion sent to prison camp:

Mao has protested against the ruling, the coerced abortion and the treatment she suffered at the hands of the police ever since. Both she and her daughters, who are under 18 years of age, have been detained several times. Mao has also been forcibly confined in psychiatric units and undergone shock therapy.
Amnesty International has just learnt that Mao Hengfeng, in April this year, was sent to a labour camp to undergo 18 months of "re-education through labour", without charge or trial. Amnesty International fears that the torture and ill-treatment may continue.

Hooray for China!
So many problems in summation:

· The continued use of the death penalty during the ongoing "strike hard" campaign resulting in high numbers of executions, often after unfair or summary trials;
· The continued use of "Re-education through Labour", a system which allows for the detention of hundreds of thousands of individuals every year without charge or trial in contravention of international human rights standards;
· The persistence of serious allegations of torture and ill-treatment within China's criminal justice system, including police stations, "Re-education through Labour" camps and prisons;
· Increasing arrests and detentions of Internet users or so-called "cyber-dissidents" in violation of their fundamental rights to freedom of expression and information;
· An intensification in the crackdown on the human rights of the mainly Muslim Uighur community in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region under the guise of "anti-terrorism" measures;
· Continued repression of the rights to freedom of expression and association in Tibet, including the ongoing imprisonment of scores of Buddhist monks and nuns as prisoners of conscience;
· The ongoing crackdown on the Falun Gong spiritual movement and other so-called "heretical organizations", leading to widespread reports of arbitrary detention, torture and deaths in custody;
· Serious human rights violations in the context of the spread of HIV/AIDS in China, including reports of torture and ill-treatment of people with HIV/AIDS, and the arbitrary detention, harassment and intimidation of HIV/AIDS activists;
· The plight of North Korean asylum seekers in China, who continue to face forced return to North Korea where they risk imprisonment, torture and even execution, together with the arbitrary detention of journalists and others attempting to raise awareness of their situation;
· Recent attempts by the Hong Kong administration to introduce new legislation on "treason, sedition, secession and subversion" despite widespread public concern that this could be used to restrict fundamental human rights or the legitimate activities of civil society groups in Hong Kong.

Makes you wonder how many of my links Fried Rice can read, doesn't it?

Fried Rice · Feb 24, 2005

It always strikes me that USA are the first to condem the 'propoganda" of other nations while thry accept without question that their own reporting is correct.

At least we know how to read between the lines - in fact we are masters of it.

I dont have time to reply to each of your ridculous comments - one did catch my eye and i wonder if we need to rename our "forced labour camps" G'mo Bay so we can all be consistant.

Fried Rice wishes he had more time to paste in 100's of links

Fried Rice · Feb 24, 2005

vauge said:
Contrary to popular belief - our economy is skyrocketing. Contrary to popular belief - our poverty level is still higher than most other nations. I think it was in another thread that said the average person that is considered at poverty level has a frig, 2 TV's, a DVD player, computer, and a car.

As far as streets being 100% safe, name a country that is.

OK - China

As far as fighting first and talking later, again you blatantly ignor the 18 resolutions, the UN, and your own government for agreeing with our position.

We never support this War. Like France we where right.

Urethra Franklin · Feb 24, 2005

Fries Rice, I admire your insight.

You waste your time against people like shuamort (funny, mort means dead in French). Perhaps he'd like to tell us how Karen Silkwood died? And why?

I believe China will be instrumental in bringing about world peace. Your initiatives in NK are admirable and do more than the gung-ho cowboy talk of Mr. Bush. Though I was a big fan of his aunty, Kate.

The US will spend so much on horsing its way around the world that its economy will collapse in a heap. It's population will dwindle as all it's young men are sent around the world to die in the name of the dollar. I believe it's called self-destruction.

shuamort · Feb 24, 2005

Fried Rice said:
It always strikes me that USA are the first to condem the 'propoganda" of other nations while thry accept without question that their own reporting is correct.

At least we know how to read between the lines - in fact we are masters of it.

I dont have time to reply to each of your ridculous comments - one did catch my eye and i wonder if we need to rename our "forced labour camps" G'mo Bay so we can all be consistant.

Fried Rice wishes he had more time to paste in 100's of links

My condemnation of China is based on your farcical sense of nationalism that seemingly trumps any evils that your government is perpetrating. And, if you look around on the boards, I've condemned the actions of the US government as well. I'm not a hypocrite. As for "ridiculous comments", why are facts considered ridiculous comments? Unless you're like Uretha Franklin who likes to stick his fingers in his/her ears to them and pretend they know all while having ZERO facts on their side. Sad really.

shuamort · Feb 24, 2005

Urethra Franklin said:
Fries Rice, I admire your insight.

You waste your time against people like shuamort (funny, mort means dead in French). Perhaps he'd like to tell us how Karen Silkwood died? And why?

Funny, that you'd "waste time" with me and still ask me a question.

I was one year old and wasn't there so I'm not personally sure about the how and why, but FACTS show that Karen Silkwood died in a one car accident. There's speculation otherwise (unsubstantiated, of course) that she was slipped quaaludes and/or another car bumped her off of the road. (Obviously, you shouldn't be getting all of your reality from Hollywood movies.) What does that have to do with the government anyways? Whether she died by herself or someone was complicit in her death, where do you find a tie to the US Gov't?

Urethra Franklin · Feb 24, 2005

shuamort said:
My condemnation of China is based on your farcical sense of nationalism that seemingly trumps any evils that your government is perpetrating. And, if you look around on the boards, I've condemned the actions of the US government as well. I'm not a hypocrite. As for "ridiculous comments", why are facts considered ridiculous comments? Unless you're like Uretha Franklin who likes to stick his fingers in his/her ears to them and pretend they know all while having ZERO facts on their side. Sad really.

To be likened to Fried Rice I take as a compliment. He is a wise, intelligent, insightful person, and unlike you United Statesians, we very much have facts on our side. A United Statesian lecturing people about facts! That's a laugh.

Urethra Franklin · Feb 24, 2005

shuamort said:
Funny, that you'd "waste time" with me and still ask me a question.

I was one year old and wasn't there so I'm not personally sure about the how and why, but FACTS show that Karen Silkwood died in a one car accident. There's speculation otherwise (unsubstantiated, of course) that she was slipped quaaludes and/or another car bumped her off of the road. (Obviously, you shouldn't be getting all of your reality from Hollywood movies.) What does that have to do with the government anyways? Whether she died by herself or someone was complicit in her death, where do you find a tie to the US Gov't?

If you really don't know what I'm getting at then your access to information even more restricted than I imagined. Poor sad people. You're a nation of mushrooms: kept in the dark and fed s*it

shuamort · Feb 24, 2005

Urethra Franklin said:
If you really don't know what I'm getting at then your access to information even more restricted than I imagined. Poor sad people. You're a nation of mushrooms: kept in the dark and fed s*it

Oh please enlighten all of us, Uretha.

shuamort · Feb 24, 2005

Fried Rice said:
I dont have time to reply to each of your ridculous comments - one did catch my eye and i wonder if we need to rename our "forced labour camps" G'mo Bay so we can all be consistant.

Actually, they wouldn't be equivalent. The prisoners of war at G'Bay are foreigners. The forced labor camps are made up of citizens. Big difference there. (And for the record, I admonished the US government in this post for their treatment of the prisoners at G'Bay.).

Kenneth T. Cornelius · Feb 24, 2005

Fried Rice said:
Hoe come the "World superpower" USA cant even get poor impoverished North Korea to table to talk about nuclear weapons ? You destroy Iraq which has no weapons but are too scared to take on North Korea that DOES have weapons and is your "Axis Of Evil" I guess no oil and didnt try to hurt Bush daddy.

Lucky for world China again uses its DIPLOMATIC power to make North Korea see sense and return to negoitiations. Even though we on doorstep of North Korea and at most risk from these bombs, we dont get all "G I Joe" and go in and kill civilians in name of "Freedom"

USA needs to ask China for more support as seems it has no clue how to act on world stage.

We had Mr Bush press conference from NATO play on our TV last night. I had to check the channel to be sure it wasnt a comedy program. he does sound like idiot.

Fried Rice still laughing

The first thing we should not forget is that China is the reason that a united and peaceful Korea does not exist today.

Fried Rice · Feb 25, 2005

Kenneth T. Cornelius said:
The first thing we should not forget is that China is the reason that a united and peaceful Korea does not exist today.

What nonsense are you talking sir ? if China is root cause how come they hate USA so much !!

Fried Rice also enjoys Kim Chee when he can

LiberalFINGER · Feb 25, 2005

Mr Rice,

I am willing to admit that I am ignorant to the actual conditions in China. Since you are the first chinese person that I have had a chance to talk to that was not living here in the US, I would like to ask you a few questions.

1. What is the process used in China for selecting government leaders?

2. We hear allot about population issues in China (you have to admit there's allot of chinese citizens). What steps has the Chinese government taken to help control their population?

3. What media sources are available to the average Chinese citizen? Are they state run media outlets? Are citizens able to access foriegn news sources such as the BBC, Fox News, CNN, Al Jazeera?

Please take my questions seriously. I am an avid fan of history and have actually found the Chinese/American relationship on the Korean Peninsula to be rather interesting.

Respectfully,
LiberalFINGER

Kenneth T. Cornelius · Feb 25, 2005

Fried Rice said:
What nonsense are you talking sir ? if China is root cause how come they hate USA so much !!

Nonsense? History. At one point during the Korean War, the US forces had defeated the NK, who were in retreat across the Yalu River into China. China had forces poised there and they intervened at that point and almost drove the US from the peninsula. Almost. We were, however, forced to settle with an armistice at the 38th parallel, the situation that exists today. China is responsible for that. If you were schooled in China, it is not at all surprising that you don't know that.

Fried Rice · Feb 26, 2005

LiberalFINGER said:
Mr Rice,

I am willing to admit that I am ignorant to the actual conditions in China. Since you are the first chinese person that I have had a chance to talk to that was not living here in the US, I would like to ask you a few questions.

FRIED RICE - I was thinking these questions are nicely worded attacks but i will answer anyway !!

1. What is the process used in China for selecting government leaders?

FRIED RICE - we select local representative who in turn elect standing committees - each standing committee elects the one above it until we have our ruling committee which will be the one you always see on your television. Most decision making is made at local committee level. As Communist party is ruling party so all members belong to that party.

2. We hear allot about population issues in China (you have to admit there's allot of chinese citizens). What steps has the Chinese government taken to help control their population?

FRIED RICE - In the past while our economy was weak we had 'one child' policy to ensure fair and equal distribution of food and goods. Still today, there is tax penalty if a family has more than one child. However as our economy improves it is soon expected that this rule will be relax.

3. What media sources are available to the average Chinese citizen? Are they state run media outlets? Are citizens able to access foriegn news sources such as the BBC, Fox News, CNN, Al Jazeera?

FRIED RICE - Most media is state run, in fact hass always been this way. The amount of propoganda we receive is no different to the propoganda you receive - the difference is we know how to read between the lines while most Americans just accept the version of the world their media allows them to see. CNN is allowed to those with access to satelite, Fox is just too unbelivable to be called a news channel, BBC is hard to get (radio is easier). We can get Al Jazeera and they are in process of opening Asia studios in HKG to serve Asia Pacific. You might be interested to know why we can get CNN easier than BBC - your 'balanced' CNN allows its self to be censored and not broadcast 'anti China' reports in Asia (the CNN in rest of world is different to CNN you get in USA) but BBC - very honourably - refused to compromise.

Please take my questions seriously. I am an avid fan of history and have actually found the Chinese/American relationship on the Korean Peninsula to be rather interesting.

yes history is always a pleasing study even though i think most americans are only interested in their version of this.

FRIED RICE is happy to help !

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