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China and America will not fire shots at each other.
They may not want war with the US, they probably don't want war at all, but the potential is there for a conflict, you would agree yes?
China and America will not fire shots at each other.
They may not want war with the US, they probably don't want war at all,but the potential is there for a conflict, you would agree yes?
Never ever? Can't happened? Ever huh? You telling me you can't see a circumstance where someone missteps, pushes their boundaries a little too hard?
Before World War 1, there was a great deal of economic integration between the major European powers. It's part of the reason that many on both sides didn't believe such a thing was possible. Didn't really work out for them did it? Again, you think that a war has to start by each side being intelligent and no mistakes being made. All it takes is for China to assert itself in contested areas (we have no such thing btw) to much, or us to push back to hard... either side to underestimate their intentions, and war could erupt at a moment's notice. I also went over these points in a previous post in more detail, so I'll let you reference those instead.
It is the USA that is documented to be untrustworthy and aggressive. We have snatched assets in every area of the World. The ME war-making has been about OIL. Syria is about OIL. Iraq is about OIL. Libya is about OIL. The USA is the saber rattler around the World, and we create instability and civil wars to try to subjugate the World with our Banking system and Corporate hierarchy. That's reality.
I don't see South Korea getting involved, though if they were that were certainly escalate things severely if North Korea was to kick start that conflict. The Philippines and Vietnam wouldn't start up anything at this point, more than likely wait and see what happens. After all, perhaps if the Americans and the Japanese can keep it together, they won't have to worry about the South China Sea. That and Vietnam would then have to deal with the possibility of and invasion. All of this really depends on how far the varying powers want to escalate things. If anything, the US winning a conflict with China over the East China Sea (and the possible war it could spawn) is by no means a forgone conclusion.
Oh you silly hippy.
Ah H Buddha.....but then those winds do tend to shift around. Wherein others interest would come into play, knowing they would be next to fall to China"s dominance. Such as Taiwan and Vietnam. Course then South Korea and the Phillipines. Which China would not even be ready for all coming at it while trying to contend with US Naval Forces and any of our alleged other Allies.
China and America will not fire shots at each other.
Neither side has anything to gain from it, and both have literally everything to lose.
The Pentagon has plans to fight a war against literally everyone.Yep, that's what the pentagon reports would seem to indicate.
I didn't say it can't happen. I said it wont.All that being true, still doesn't mean one could authoritatively demand that it could never happen, that's just not right.
Don't know if you saw this......On Vietnam and the Phillipines. Plus South Korea has already stated they wont acknowledge China's zone nor report to them.
US boosts maritime security aid to Vietnam.....
The United States will boost maritime security assistance to China's smaller neighbors amid rising tensions over disputed territories in the South China Sea, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry announced on Monday during a visit to Vietnam, where he also pressed the communist government on human rights and democratic and economic reforms.
The U.S. will provide an additional $32.5 million to help Southeast Asian nations protect their territorial waters and secure navigational freedom, Kerry said. Vietnam alone will receive up to $18 million, including five fast patrol-boats that will be given to the Vietnamese Coast Guard, he said. With the new contribution, U.S. maritime security assistance to the region will exceed $156 million over the next two years, the State Department said.
At a news conference Monday with Vietnam's Foreign Minister Pham Binh Minh, Kerry said the assistance was not a "quickly conceived reaction to any events in the region" but rather part of a "gradual and deliberate expansion" in such aid. But he made clear that the aid is designed to help nations defend their waters from encroachment.
"Peace and stability in the South China Sea is a top priority for us and for countries in the region," Kerry said. "We are very concerned by and strongly opposed to coercive and aggressive tactics to advance territorial claims."
Kerry's visit to Vietnam, to be followed by a stop in the Philippines on Tuesday, comes as tensions over conflicting claims to territory in the South China Sea have risen dramatically, and many of China's neighbors are seeking assurances from Washington that it will remain a guarantor of maritime security in the Asia-Pacific region.
Both Vietnam and the Philippines are involved in disputes with China. Monday's announcement was likely to rankle Beijing and calm concerns in Vietnam and other countries that the United States might be acquiescing to China's shows of strength.....snip~
US boosts maritime security aid to Vietnam
This has everything to do with the presidents speech in Australia two years ago, his symbolic (but not so symbolic) statement that he would station Marines there just to let the countries you mention know that the US was in town just incase China starts any ****. And the US has been spending time with these countries in various ways, one shouldn't presume that south Vietnam for example would be flying China the middle finger in not reporting to them as they have insisted were it not for the US standing right behind them telling them go ahead, we got your back, which in itself is viewed as provocative by China.
The Pentagon has plans to fight a war against literally everyone.
I didn't say it can't happen. I said it wont.
Heya Monte.....well not so with Taiwan and Vietnam and the Phillipines
China and Vietnam fought a bloody border war in 1979, and in 1988 a naval battle close to disputed islands in the seas left 70 Vietnamese sailors dead. Disputes over fishing rights in the region have triggered occasional violent incidents and hiked up diplomatic tensions since then.....snip~
Asian nations call for freedom of air, seas as U.S.-China maritime near-collision revealed
Japan and Southeast Asian countries called for freedom of the air and sea on Saturday, as China's military assertiveness raises regional tensions and after U.S. and Chinese warships narrowly avoided collision in the disputed South China Sea.
China's recent announcement of an air defense zone covering disputed islands in the East China Sea and its territorial claims in the South China Sea have raised concerns that a minor incident in the disputed seas could quickly escalate.....snip~
Asian nations call for freedom of air, seas as U.S.-China maritime near-collision revealed
MMC, the Chinese military isn't what it was in 1979.
Neither side has anything to gain from it, and both have literally everything to lose.
Really, your dismissing that out of hand!
Don't know if you saw this......On Vietnam and the Phillipines. Plus South Korea has already stated they wont acknowledge China's zone nor report to them.
US boosts maritime security aid to Vietnam.....
The United States will boost maritime security assistance to China's smaller neighbors amid rising tensions over disputed territories in the South China Sea, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry announced on Monday during a visit to Vietnam, where he also pressed the communist government on human rights and democratic and economic reforms.
The U.S. will provide an additional $32.5 million to help Southeast Asian nations protect their territorial waters and secure navigational freedom, Kerry said. Vietnam alone will receive up to $18 million, including five fast patrol-boats that will be given to the Vietnamese Coast Guard, he said. With the new contribution, U.S. maritime security assistance to the region will exceed $156 million over the next two years, the State Department said.
At a news conference Monday with Vietnam's Foreign Minister Pham Binh Minh, Kerry said the assistance was not a "quickly conceived reaction to any events in the region" but rather part of a "gradual and deliberate expansion" in such aid. But he made clear that the aid is designed to help nations defend their waters from encroachment.
"Peace and stability in the South China Sea is a top priority for us and for countries in the region," Kerry said. "We are very concerned by and strongly opposed to coercive and aggressive tactics to advance territorial claims."
Kerry's visit to Vietnam, to be followed by a stop in the Philippines on Tuesday, comes as tensions over conflicting claims to territory in the South China Sea have risen dramatically, and many of China's neighbors are seeking assurances from Washington that it will remain a guarantor of maritime security in the Asia-Pacific region.
Both Vietnam and the Philippines are involved in disputes with China. Monday's announcement was likely to rankle Beijing and calm concerns in Vietnam and other countries that the United States might be acquiescing to China's shows of strength.....snip~
US boosts maritime security aid to Vietnam
Naval battles are about as relevant as the Calvary. We need to cut back on big ships that are sitting ducks.
It won't be a ground war that we will have to wage with China though. What it will probably become is an attempt to assert it's rights and aggressively defend it's claims in the East and South China Sea. The US and Japan won't tolerate this, and that's when war would break out. Not a world war scale, but a naval/air force action which they have been preparing for the last 20 or so years. At that point, it will probably devolve into a blockade of some sort to try and starve out the country of energy and food, because China doesn't have the force projection capabilities they won't be able to break it. In response, they'll probably send out their diesel sub fleet and start hitting our shipping and oil rigs that we rely on. Then it just be a question of who is willing to suffer the longest, odds are that the US would cave first, as public opinion will probably see it as just another war "over there" and Japan doesn't have the resources to wage that kind of war for a prolonged period of time.
LOL It's like you don't know that we have the nuclear capability to destroy China entirely with the push of a button. Conventional war between major powers is as extinct as the dinosaur. The Chinese are merely responding to our presence. They would never attempt to use ANY of their warships against us.
Really! Ok, I'll go back to the MASH reruns then.
It's not true that they have nothing to gain. Again, there are a lot of untapped resources in the East China Sea. At some point, someone is going to try and mine them. If China was to drop an offshore drilling rig in an area claimed by Japan, what would they do? Just let it happen?
Oh I'm sure Vietnam would love assistance with shoring up it's interest in the South China Sea. But we're not talking about the South China Sea. And I don't see Vietnam risking alienating China over Japanese interests. Would that be a smart move? No. But that's how I see it.
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