Child Support Payback

[Bodi]

Post some, please.

Make sure we can all see the context.

:lol:

Now you care about context!!! :lol:

 

[Lursa]

You continue to post ignorant and ill contrived garbage... :shrug:\
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LOL Making an informed choice is manipulation! :lol:

Like I said you are arguing that everything is manipulation. Buying pretty much anything... listening to friends... your teachers... parents.

All manipulation. When taken in that context the term becomes meaningless.

No...it's your admission that you want the opt out to influence women to make that 'informed choice' is manipulation:

The issue is about men opting out so the woman can make an informed decision about abortion.

It's there in black and white...you should be embarrassed a) to not realize it and b) to deny it once it's explained and everyone else can see it.

Women can make perfectly informed decisions without men having an opt out....

 

[vegas giants]

No...it's your admission that you want the opt out to influence women to make that 'informed choice' is manipulation:




It's there in black and white...you should be embarrassed a) to not realize it and b) to deny it once it's explained and everyone else can see it.

Yes. Its a perfectly appropriate incentive

 

[Lursa]

Yes. Its a perfectly appropriate incentive

So you admit to the manipulation then? It seems you're good with 'incentive."

Incentive: something that incites or has a tendency to incite to determination or action

Synonyms: motive,*impulse,*incentive,*inducement,*spur,*goad*mean a stimulus to action.*

From <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/incentive>


Incentive: Something, such as the fear of punishment or the expectation of reward, that induces action or motivates effort.

From <https://www.thefreedictionary.com/incentive>

 

[vegas giants]

great...then how is abortion relevant to your opt out/get out of child support topics? Why use this sub-forum?

Because abortion is one of the equivalent ways the woman can opt out financially. It is completely related to the discussion.

 

[vegas giants]

So you admit to the manipulation then? It seems you're good with 'incentive."

Yes I am good with incentive.

Here are other incentives the government does

home ownership
children
charity

Are you against those incentives?

 

[Lursa]

Yes I am good with incentive.

Here are other incentives the government does

home ownership
children
charity

Are you against those incentives?

Nope...as long as you've admitted you are using this opt out to manipulate women's choices, I'm fine with that.

I mean, it's not surprising. It shows it's not about equality or civil rights...it's about figuring out a way around a woman's right to choose so men can get out of child support.

 

[vegas giants]

Nope...as long as you've admitted you are using this opt out to manipulate women's choices, I'm fine with that.

I mean, it's not surprising. It shows it's not about equality or civil rights...it's about figuring out a way around a woman's right to choose so men can get out of child support.

You are manipulated by the government in a thousand ways....but only have a problem with this one. LOL

 

[Lursa]

Because abortion is one of the equivalent ways the woman can opt out financially. It is completely related to the discussion.

It's not relevant because men have no legal means to change a woman's decisions about abortion. The state uses BOTH parents means & income to support any child that's produced by those 2 people. The state has no interest in artificial equality 'before' a birth...it's only interested AFTER there is a kid and repercussions to society (and to the kid and taxpayers).

 

[vegas giants]

It's not relevant because men have no legal means to change a woman's decisions about abortion. The state uses BOTH parents means & income to support any child that's produced by those 2 people. The state has no interest in artificial equality 'before' a birth...it's only interested AFTER there is a kid and repercussions to society (and to the kid and taxpayers).

The state should have an interest in equality. It should have an interest in civil rights. That is what is best for everyone

 

[Bodi]

No...it's your admission that you want the opt out to influence women to make that 'informed choice' is manipulation:



It's there in black and white...you should be embarrassed a) to not realize it and b) to deny it once it's explained and everyone else can see it.

Women can make perfectly informed decisions without men having an opt out....

Again... everything "influences" everything... that isn't an argument.

Your argument is ridiculous.

I coach Varsity Girls Soccer here. Today I had a player opt out of today's game. Holy Hell!! You mean she "MANIPULATED" me? Heck, she influenced my decision as to whom I would play at that position. I certainly feel used and I can not make an informed decision about how to coach now. :lol:

 

[Lursa]

Again... everything "influences" everything... that isn't an argument.

Your argument is ridiculous.

I coach Varsity Girls Soccer here. Today I had a player opt out of today's game. Holy Hell!! You mean she "MANIPULATED" me? Heck, she influenced my decision as to whom I would play at that position. I certainly feel used and I can not make an informed decision about how to coach now. :lol:

It's your own words and usage. Of course people can use it in different ways.

You were very specific, because as you have clearly stated: women have 100% control over their decisions, and you want to use your opt out idea as a means to influence their choices:

The issue is about men opting out so the woman can make an informed decision about abortion.

Women already make informed decisions about abortion...why do they need an opt out from men then? Why is that relevant to their making the decision?

Words mean what they mean. Your denials are ludicrous...at least VG admitted this.

 

[Bodi]

It's your own words and usage. Of course people can use it in different ways.

You were very specific, because as you have clearly stated: women have 100% control over their decisions, and you want to use your opt out idea as a means to influence their choices:




Women already make informed decisions about abortion...why do they need an opt out from men then? Why is that relevant to their making the decision?

Words mean what they mean. Your denials are ludicrous...at least VG admitted this.

You post very uneducated things...

 

[roguenuke]

The argument is about medical treatment. So... Straw Man.

No. The argument was that some people, women, get treated differently than men while "similarly situated". I showed how other "similarly situated" people are also treated differently due to other reasons. Just as fathers are treated differently than non-fathers (or not quite new enough fathers) when they get paternity leave.

 

[roguenuke]

The state should have an interest in equality. It should have an interest in civil rights. That is what is best for everyone

Again, the two would have to be similarly situated in order to apply equality. When it comes to pregnancy, men and women are not equally situated.

 

[vegas giants]

Again, the two would have to be similarly situated in order to apply equality. When it comes to pregnancy, men and women are not equally situated.

We have gone thru this already. You are clearly wrong

 

[Bodi]

We have gone thru this already. You are clearly wrong

Round and round we go!!

 

[Lursa]

You post very uneducated things...

Heh, they come straight from reference resources. (links included)

Oh look...another post from you with absolutely no discussion in it...

I can add more definitions for 'manipulate' if you'd like, to further illuminate 'my' point.

 

[Lursa]

Round and round we go!!

Yes, because 'he said so' :lamo and provided no legal or other sources to support it :mrgreen:

 

[Bodi]

Heh, they come straight from reference resources. (links included)

Oh look...another post from you with absolutely no discussion in it...

I can add more definitions for 'manipulate' if you'd like, to further illuminate 'my' point.

You probably should... the more times you try the more chances you have of actually posting the correct thing.

 

[Lursa]

You probably should... the more times you try the more chances you have of actually posting the correct thing.

Other people understood it clearly...so maybe you should open your mind to reality and try again.

And here ^^, from you, yet another post with no content.

Tell me, please, how do you justify a 'financial opt out' for men, knowing the negative impacts on taxpayers and society and possibly even kids?

 

[Bodi]

Other people understood it clearly...so maybe you should open your mind to reality and try again.

And here ^^, from you, yet another post with no content.

Tell me, please, how do you justify a 'financial opt out' for men, knowing the negative impacts on taxpayers and society and possibly even kids?

The Appeal to Popularity fallacy... :lol:

I swear... your posts fail on so many levels.

:2wave:

 

[Lursa]

The Appeal to Popularity fallacy... :lol:

I swear... your posts fail on so many levels.

:2wave:

Hey, when other people understand written words and you DONT....that's not any kind of appeal...that's reality...you either lie or dont understand.

Both are pretty sad.

And yet...I notice you didnt bother to actually discuss, when I even offered you the opportunity to do so. Care to try again?

Tell me, please, how do you justify a 'financial opt out' for men, knowing the negative impacts on taxpayers and society and possibly even kids?

Come on...let's see you put some kind of foundation in reality under your premise.

 

[vegas giants]

Hey, when other people understand written words and you DONT....that's not any kind of appeal...that's reality...you either lie or dont understand.

Both are pretty sad.

And yet...I notice you didnt bother to actually discuss, when I even offered you the opportunity to do so. Care to try again?

Tell me, please, how do you justify a 'financial opt out' for men, knowing the negative impacts on taxpayers and society and possibly even kids?

Come on...let's see you put some kind of foundation in reality under your premise.

The impact on kids will be positive. Allowing gays to get married gives them a tax break having a negative impact on the taxpayers. Civil rights are worth it

 

[sandpepper]

If you don't want to take responsibility for your actions get a vasectomy.

I am totally agree with you.