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Child Rape Victim Says Hillary Lied on Affidavit to Set Free Client She Knew Guilty

Re: Child Rape Victim Says Hillary Lied on Affidavit to Set Free Client She Knew Guil

I take it you have not read about the history of 793(f) of the espionage act. There is an important case that set the precedent.

The case was Gorin v. United States(1941).



Why Intent, Not Gross Negligence, is the Standard in Clinton Case

Precedent doesn't change the law and neither can the Director of The FBI.

f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

Intent isn't required to be in violation of the law.

The DOJ let Clinton walk. Period!
 
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Precedent doesn't change the law and neither can the Director of The FBI.



Intent isn't required to be in violation of the law.

The DOJ let Clinton walk. Period!

No one has been convicted of violating 793(f) based on gross negligence theory.

Only one person was actually charged under a gross negligence theory: FBI agent James smith and he was not convicted Bender 793 (f) because he entered a plea agreement to be charged with a lesser sentence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/13/us/fbi-agent-pleads-guilty-in-deal-in-chinese-spy-case.html?_r=0

Also

Despite what may appear to be the plain meaning of 793(f), the negligent mishandling of classified material is not a civilian criminal offense. A civilian can face many consequences for negligently mishandling classified material, including the loss of their clearance and probably with it their employment, but they would not face criminal charges. For anyone who thinks negligence should be a crime their argument is not with Director Comey but with Justice Reed, the author of the Gorin opinion. Because of that decision, the correct standard is intent, not gross negligence, and the director was right not to recommend a criminal case.
 
Re: Child Rape Victim Says Hillary Lied on Affidavit to Set Free Client She Knew Guil

No one has been convicted of violating 793(f) based on gross negligence theory.

Only one person was actually charged under a gross negligence theory: FBI agent James smith and he was not convicted Bender 793 (f) because he entered a plea agreement to be charged with a lesser sentence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/13/us/fbi-agent-pleads-guilty-in-deal-in-chinese-spy-case.html?_r=0

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It isn't a theory. It's how the law is worded. Ignorance of the law isn't an excuse and you can bet your butt that negligence is a crime.
 
Re: Child Rape Victim Says Hillary Lied on Affidavit to Set Free Client She Knew Guil

This is obviously false. We all know Hillary Clinton is a flawless human being and God in the flesh...

:roll:
 
Re: Child Rape Victim Says Hillary Lied on Affidavit to Set Free Client She Knew Guil

It isn't a theory. It's how the law is worded. Ignorance of the law isn't an excuse and you can bet your butt that negligence is a crime.

The precedent was set in gorin v United States

The Supreme Court disagrees with you.

And I would like to see evidence that contradicts the evidence I showed you.
 
Re: Child Rape Victim Says Hillary Lied on Affidavit to Set Free Client She Knew Guil

The precedent was set in gorin v United States

The Supreme Court disagrees with you.

And I would like to see evidence that contradicts the evidence I showed you.

Precedent doesn't change law. There's legal precedent for rapists getting probation. That doesn't mean that a rapist can only be sentenced to probation.

The Supreme Court can't change laws, either. The only thing the court could do is rule 18 USC 793 unconstitutional. Since, it didn't do that, it's still law. The DOJ let Clinton off scot free, for political reasons.
 
Re: Child Rape Victim Says Hillary Lied on Affidavit to Set Free Client She Knew Guil

!.She is in the audio saying she had her client take a lie detector test and he passed destroying her faith in lie detector test. Meaning she knew he was guilty.So Snopes is lying their ass off by saying she didn't know her client was guilty.

2.She admitted in the audio that she did this case as a favor to the prosecutor.Meaning she was not ordered or forced to defend that rapist.So again Snopes is lying their ass off by saying she didn't have a choice.

Snopes has no reason to lie.

Snopes based much of its information from the court documents.

Snopes based much of its information on a news article that contained an interview with the victim, and quotes her.

Snopes discusses the audio.

Clinton didn't lie. There's nothing in any of the information I saw indicating in any way that she lied about anything.

By contrast, the OP is lying when it says:
1. The victim says she was in a coma (she yelled at the 15 year old after the incident, and it's on record that she walked into the ER herself).
2. HRC "freed" the defendant. She didn't. The defendant copped a plea with the prosecutor - at the urging of the victim and her mother. The prosecutor accepted the plea offer. The prosecutor and Court approved the sentence. Copping a plea, esp back then, is and was done in 97% of rape cases.
3. HRC lied and said the victim had a propensity for older men and had made false accusations in the past. HRC did not say that. The affidavit clearly tells the Court that "others" had informed HRC of that, and a psych expert had also given her information. For those reasons, she requested a psych exam of the victim and her mother, at the cost of the defense. The fact that others had told HRC that would have to be true, since the Court would not have considered the affidavit if such information had not been entered as evidence already, or if the Court was already familiar with that information. The expert would have been known to the Court, of course. All "informers" would have at a minimum been on witness lists filed with the court, including the psychologist.

4. The victim says as a result of the rape, she couldn't have children. There is absolutely no evidence of that. She didn't have children, but nothing indicated anything even approaching such a thing, in the evidence or testimony. The first time this came up was just recently (she's now about 50 years old). Even if that were true, that has nothing to do with HRC.

5. At the time the victim gave an interview for the news article referenced in Snopes, she stated that she held no ill will toward the defendant's attorney (HRC).

6. The OP says HRC "volunteered" for the case. Not true. Hillary states this in a book, and the prosecutor on that case also states that she told him that directly, and tried to get out of it. She was appointed to the case by the Court. (attorneys get on public defender lists, which the Court uses to appoint to defendants who don't have money to hire their own attorneys)

If the victim doesn't like the plea deal NOW, she can blame her mother, who pushed hard for it, and the prosecutor, who was the attorney who represented the victim's rights,and the judge, who is the one who ultimately approves the sentencing. This was the 1970s, so victims weren't protected as much then as now. But even now, rapists sometimes get light sentences. Here is a sentence handed down LAST WEEK for a father who repeatedly raped his 12 year old daughter: 60 days in jail for a man who raped his 12 year old daughter - Petition Calls for Removal of Judge Who Gave Man 60 Days in Jail for Raping Daughter, 12 - Inside Edition

HRC had a job to do, and she did it. Her job was to protect the constitutional rights of the defendant, just as the prosecutor's job was to protect the laws and statutes and the rights of the victim. An attorney can't represent both. That's a conflict of interest.
 
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Precedent doesn't change law. There's legal precedent for rapists getting probation. That doesn't mean that a rapist can only be sentenced to probation.

The Supreme Court can't change laws, either. The only thing the court could do is rule 18 USC 793 unconstitutional. Since, it didn't do that, it's still law. The DOJ let Clinton off scot free, for political reasons.

And making simple negligence a crime under 793(f) would be considered unconstitutional because without the requirement of intent the phrase "relating to the national defense" is unconstitutionally vague. Gorin set the precedent which prosecutors use when trying people in violation of 793 of the espionage act.
 
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Snopes has no reason to lie.

Snopes based much of its information from the court documents.

Snopes based much of its information on a news article that contained an interview with the victim, and quotes her.

Snopes discusses the audio.

Clinton didn't lie. There's nothing in any of the information I saw indicating in any way that she lied about anything.

By contrast, the OP is lying when it says:
1. The victim says she was in a coma (she yelled at the 15 year old after the incident, and it's on record that she walked into the ER herself).
2. HRC "freed" the defendant. She didn't. The defendant copped a plea with the prosecutor - at the urging of the victim and her mother. The prosecutor accepted the plea offer. The prosecutor and Court approved the sentence. Copping a plea, esp back then, is and was done in 97% of rape cases.
3. HRC lied and said the victim had a propensity for older men and had made false accusations in the past. HRC did not say that. The affidavit clearly tells the Court that "others" had informed HRC of that, and a psych expert had also given her information. For those reasons, she requested a psych exam of the victim and her mother, at the cost of the defense. The fact that others had told HRC that would have to be true, since the Court would not have considered the affidavit if such information had not been entered as evidence already, or if the Court was already familiar with that information. The expert would have been known to the Court, of course. All "informers" would have at a minimum been on witness lists filed with the court, including the psychologist.

4. The victim says as a result of the rape, she couldn't have children. There is absolutely no evidence of that. She didn't have children, but nothing indicated anything even approaching such a thing, in the evidence or testimony. The first time this came up was just recently (she's now about 50 years old). Even if that were true, that has nothing to do with HRC.

5. At the time the victim gave an interview for the news article referenced in Snopes, she stated that she held no ill will toward the defendant's attorney (HRC).

6. The OP says HRC "volunteered" for the case. Not true. Hillary states this in a book, and the prosecutor on that case also states that she told him that directly, and tried to get out of it. She was appointed to the case by the Court. (attorneys get on public defender lists, which the Court uses to appoint to defendants who don't have money to hire their own attorneys)

If the victim doesn't like the plea deal NOW, she can blame her mother, who pushed hard for it, and the prosecutor, who was the attorney who represented the victim's rights,and the judge, who is the one who ultimately approves the sentencing. This was the 1970s, so victims weren't protected as much then as now. But even now, rapists sometimes get light sentences. Here is a sentence handed down LAST WEEK for a father who repeatedly raped his 12 year old daughter: 60 days in jail for a man who raped his 12 year old daughter - Petition Calls for Removal of Judge Who Gave Man 60 Days in Jail for Raping Daughter, 12 - Inside Edition

If we tried to force harsher sentences even now, which many women would like, many men would have a fit. A lot of men don't believe rape accusations in the first place, then blame the victims if it turns out to be true, and ultimately sometimes think just being accused is a harsh enough sentence, since it supposedly ruins HIS life, HIS future. So, there you go.

You've wasted a lot of good knowledge and perspectives on those who hate all things Clinton so much they'd believe anything about them, so long as it is negative. Further, these fools do not understand the details of the case, nor do they comprehend legal ethics, or the court system clearly.

These are the kind of people who think defense attorneys, should lay down and let their guilty clients hang, ethics be dammed, prosecutorial incompetence/misconduct be damned.

Of course, were the defendant, their son, guilty or not, they'd want to sue if the defense attorney failed him. These folks are driven by petty fears, emotion and a desire for societal vengeance. They give not a **** about what's good for society as a whole, just what makes their outrage feel just and hunger for blood satiated. They lack clear understanding, or any desire to further knowledge, just love to be outraged, and feel personally superior to everyone else.
 
Re: Child Rape Victim Says Hillary Lied on Affidavit to Set Free Client She Knew Guil


Filing a false affidavit is a crime.




Exclusive: '''Hillary Clinton Took Me Through Hell,''' Rape Victim Says - The Daily Beast

Hillary Clinton, in a court affidavit in 1975, swore that she had been "informed" that a 12-year-old girl, who had been brutally raped by a 42-year-old man, had "fantasized" about "older men," and said that the child had made false accusations in the past. It has come to light, from archived audiotapes of Clinton, parts of which have been broadcast on CNN, that Clinton knew the man to be guilty. The victim, now 53, has gone public, denying that she had been attracted to "older men," nor that she had ever made any false accusations.

After the attack the victim was in a coma for 5 days, and was told she would never be able to have children.



Below - Page from affidavit sighed by Clinton reading: "“I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing. I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body. Also that she exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way.”


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Exclusive: '''Hillary Clinton Took Me Through Hell,''' Rape Victim Says - The Daily Beast


So...when the judicial system ASSIGNS an attorney to be a defense attorney in a case, what's the legal duty of that defense attorney?
 
Re: Child Rape Victim Says Hillary Lied on Affidavit to Set Free Client She Knew Guil


Filing a false affidavit is a crime.




Exclusive: '''Hillary Clinton Took Me Through Hell,''' Rape Victim Says - The Daily Beast

Hillary Clinton, in a court affidavit in 1975, swore that she had been "informed" that a 12-year-old girl, who had been brutally raped by a 42-year-old man, had "fantasized" about "older men," and said that the child had made false accusations in the past. It has come to light, from archived audiotapes of Clinton, parts of which have been broadcast on CNN, that Clinton knew the man to be guilty. The victim, now 53, has gone public, denying that she had been attracted to "older men," nor that she had ever made any false accusations.

After the attack the victim was in a coma for 5 days, and was told she would never be able to have children.



Below - Page from affidavit sighed by Clinton reading: "“I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing. I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body. Also that she exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way.”


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Exclusive: '''Hillary Clinton Took Me Through Hell,''' Rape Victim Says - The Daily Beast


Debunked. Hillary Clinton Freed Child Rapist : snopes.com
 
Re: Child Rape Victim Says Hillary Lied on Affidavit to Set Free Client She Knew Guil

And making simple negligence a crime under 793(f) would be considered unconstitutional because without the requirement of intent the phrase "relating to the national defense" is unconstitutionally vague. Gorin set the precedent which prosecutors use when trying people in violation of 793 of the espionage act.

The problem with your logic, is that the law hasn't been changed.
 
Re: Child Rape Victim Says Hillary Lied on Affidavit to Set Free Client She Knew Guil


Debunking the debunkers- Kim Lacapria's area of expertise is makeup and beauty, yet Snopes appointed her as an infallible fact-checker who we all must never question!

She is also a noted liberal.

Kim LaCapria is a New York-based writer, and has been writing full-time for Inquisitr since May of 2009, covering trending news, social media, technology, health and an assortment of other topics. Prior to her work writing and editing for the Inquisitr, she worked in the luxury spa and skincare industry, both on the marketing and development side and in the field as a makeup artist and esthetician. In addition to her work at the Inquisitr, Kim has contributed to several other sites, mainly in the beauty and lifestyle realm.

Kim LaCapria email address | GetPressAddress

Lacapria writes the majority of new content on Snopes and is Snopes' content manager. Her previous writing experience was at Inquisitr, where she voiced blatantly biased opinions, such as "George Bush was responsible for 9/11".
 
Re: Child Rape Victim Says Hillary Lied on Affidavit to Set Free Client She Knew Guil

Really? Where's the evidence? (As opposed to the rivers of vitriol from rant radio,)

Only the most devoted members of Mrs. Clinton's rear guard would even ask such a silly question. I think if the cops had caught that damned liar shooting down little kids on a playground, with the smoking gun still in her hand, and there were a hundred eyewitnesses, you would be trying to make us believe she was the innocent victim of right-wing persecution.
 
Re: Child Rape Victim Says Hillary Lied on Affidavit to Set Free Client She Knew Guil

This is News for you? Please point out the honest Presidential Candidate.

Apparently it's news to the members of Mrs. B.J. Clinton's fanny-covering squad.
 
Re: Child Rape Victim Says Hillary Lied on Affidavit to Set Free Client She Knew Guil

Apparently it's news to the members of Mrs. B.J. Clinton's fanny-covering squad.

I asked about You. I see you could not answer my simple question, Noted.
 
Re: Child Rape Victim Says Hillary Lied on Affidavit to Set Free Client She Knew Guil

Only the most devoted members of Mrs. Clinton's rear guard would even ask such a silly question. I think if the cops had caught that damned liar shooting down little kids on a playground, with the smoking gun still in her hand, and there were a hundred eyewitnesses, you would be trying to make us believe she was the innocent victim of right-wing persecution.

Hillary is much more cunning with her mass murder and gets away with it. It's called war. Syria. Libya.
 
Re: Child Rape Victim Says Hillary Lied on Affidavit to Set Free Client She Knew Guil

Only the most devoted members of Mrs. Clinton's rear guard would even ask such a silly question. I think if the cops had caught that damned liar shooting down little kids on a playground, with the smoking gun still in her hand, and there were a hundred eyewitnesses, you would be trying to make us believe she was the innocent victim of right-wing persecution.

Hillary supporters are unethical and amoral. To go through such logical contortions to defend your candidate from the indefensible is a form of sociopathy.
 
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