I didn't even realize it was appreciation day yesterday. I just really, really wanted a sweet tea and a chicken sandwich. Drove up, saw a lined doubled up around the restaurant and ended up going to Sonic instead.
I support gay marriage. I don't agree with Cathy's opinion on gay marriage. But even if I find his views ignorant and out of place, I have to admit he was respectful in his approach. And honestly, this isn't even the first time he's spoken on gay marriage, it's just the first time it's received massive media attention.
I don't think he was respectful whatsoever. Some of his comments came across as downright arrogant and overly self-righteous, and frankly insulting.
The company invests in Christian growth and ministry through its WinShape Foundation (WinShape.com). The name comes from the idea of shaping people to be winners. It began as a college scholarship and expanded to a foster care program, an international ministry, and a conference and retreat center modeled after the Billy Graham Training Center at the Cove.
“That morphed into a marriage program in conjunction with national marriage ministries,” Cathy added.
Some have opposed the company’s support of the traditional family. “Well, guilty as charged,” said Cathy when asked about the company’s position. “We are very much supportive of the family — the biblical definition of the family unit. …
“We are very much committed to that,” Cathy emphasized. “We intend to stay the course,” he said. “We know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles.”
I don't understand why this is an issue. Why protest or support? Some dude ran his mouth about his beliefs. Who the **** cares? It's a free country. Chick-Fil-A wasn't discriminating, was it? It wasn't breaking any law, was it? Then this is a non-issue. Some dude ran his mouth, that's all there is to it. Don't like it, don't go. But to turn this into a mountain is stupid. In a free country people are going to say all sorts of things, ain't no point getting all bent out of shape over every damned thing that is said that you don't agree with.
This is from the original article/interview with Cathy that started all the controversy. What part of it is disrespectful, arrogant, or insulting?
“we’re inviting God’s judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at him and say we know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage. And I pray God’s mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude that thinks we have the audacity to redefine what marriage is all about.”
This is from the original article/interview with Cathy that started all the controversy. What part of it is disrespectful, arrogant, or insulting?
Not that quote, but this radio show interview that happened days before:
Where: Chick-Fil-A, Carbondale, Illinois SIUC Campus
When: 01-Aug-2012,
What: I had my usual chicken sandwich and waffle fries and wound up vomiting a few hours later and diarrhea really runny along with dehydration…. When I spoke to a manager he said “people need to quit calling and you deserve the way you feel you f****tt”
Where: Chick-Fil-A, Dallas, Texas
When: 01-Aug-2012,
What: Sausage breakfast burrito, been vomiting and diarrhea all day afterwards
Where: Chick-Fil-A, Dallas, Texas
When: 01-Aug-2012,
What: Had a breakfast burrito this morning, about 4 hours later I started vomiting and diarrhea at the same time, I’ve spent most of the rest of the day in the bathroom or in the fetal position in bed. I can barely keep water down now, and the smell of anything makes me want to vomit
Even if his interview was respectful, the fact that he donates millions of dollars to hate groups and pro-discrimination organizations is definitely NOT respectful.
Let's go to 'iwaspoisoned.com' and see how things worked out yesterday.
Only three reports of food poisoning yesterday. Looks like the invisible man in the sky was busy with other matters. Still wouldn't risk going there and angering the Big Guy.
Outside of it being religious in nature, I don't see the disrespectful or insulting nature you're seeing. If you believe in God and the Bible, marriage is never defined in same-sex terms. Again, I and you don't believe in living by biblical dictates, but those that do aren't necessarily heartless assholes. Find me a quote of Cathy saying, "God hates fags!", "Gays are going to hell", "I won't hire homosexuals", or anything truly insulting and I'll change my tune.
As of yet, Cathy's advocated rather respectfully for his biblical views. I think they're utter bull****, but he's got every right in the world to share them. And he could be a raging WBC jerk off. he could be running around like some people hear, saying homosexuals are disgusting, unnatural, in need of curing, hellbound sinners...but I haven't seen him doing that at all.
Well, it was his whole comment about "our generation" being "arrogant and prideful" and all that bull**** about "we think we know better than God what constitutes marriage" that really rubbed me the wrong way. He was essentially accusing others of being arrogant and prideful while doing the same in sticking to his own construct of what marriage is, which is ironic and hypocritical at the same time.
It's like when someone says to you "You're going to hell" and I'm like "well who the **** told you, asshole? Did God send you a fax?" That is the height of arrogance and self-righteousness, and its an attitude that's not backed up by anything other than irrational faith. Whatever happened to "Judge not lest ye be judged?"
Apart from that, the whole argument about "biblical marriage" is plain bull****. The Bible never explicitly defines marriage as between a man and a woman. Not only that, the Old Testament at least supports polygamy and concubinage, and rapists are required to marry their rapists.
Really...are we really having to reach so far to attack people that we need to compare "I don't believe the government should recognize and bestow additional benefits to homosexual marriages" to "GOD HATES FAGS", People who support the notion of Gassing Jews?
I remember hearing all the time how the world isn't black and white and you shouldn't say "you're with us or against us" and other such equiviocating things.....but when it comes to civil rights, disagreeing with changes to a law is fine to compare as equals with Nazi's and proclaiming things like GOD HATES FAGS while protesting a military funeral.
It's wonderful to see that the Godwining of this thread is such a bipartisan effort and began from the first few posts right up into the 200's :roll:
how original. another person looking for small parts of the bible that are in no way appliciable today to try to make an entire faith of people look bad while ignoring 99% of the book. Hey you want to do the muslim faith next? Then we can mock the jews for their faith too! Hell lets openly mock anyone who's faith differs from yours and pretend we are taking the high road for it. Sounds fun!
In your opinion they're hate groups and pro-discrimination groups.
Are these groups tarring and feathering anybody?
Performing lynchings?
Throwing people into gas chambers or ovens to fry?
Standing outside of military funerals with "God hates fags" signs?
Or are they fighting in court and through lobbying to prevent gay marriage? 'Cause even if they're wrong about gay marriage, they have every right to protest against it.
In your opinion they're hate groups and pro-discrimination groups.
Are these groups tarring and feathering anybody?
Performing lynchings?
Throwing people into gas chambers or ovens to fry?
Standing outside of military funerals with "God hates fags" signs?
Or are they fighting in court and through lobbying to prevent gay marriage? 'Cause even if they're wrong about gay marriage, they have every right to protest against it.
As do white nationalists when it comes to pursuing their own agenda. That doesn't make the KKK any less a purveyor of bigotry and discrimination.
how original. another person looking for small parts of the bible that are in no way appliciable today to try to make an entire faith of people look bad while ignoring 99% of the book. Hey you want to do the muslim faith next? Then we can mock the jews for their faith too! Hell lets openly mock anyone who's faith differs from yours and pretend we are taking the high road for it. Sounds fun!
As do white nationalists when it comes to pursuing their own agenda. That doesn't make the KKK any less a purveyor of bigotry and discrimination.
just because someone disagrees with your point of view they should be equated to the KKK?
How is suppression of religios beliefs any differnt?
He's not really trying to make anybody look bad. He's pointing out the reality of selective application. It does happen a lot in the modern world.
In my defense, I was trying to make the point that there are ways to reject gay marriage without being a raging asshole, and that people should focus on those who are raging assholes instead of making giant issues out of people who share their views more politely.
Not just my opinion; the Southern Poverty Law Center (the nation's foremost organization that tracks hate groups) classifies the Family Research Council as a hate group for spreading propaganda about gays being pedophiles. Dan Cathy gives them money.
As for pro-discrimination groups...what else would you call an organization that advocates different rights for one class of citizens than for another?
They aren't directly doing these things, although they are fostering an atmosphere of hatred toward homosexuals in which violence against them is more likely.
The Family Research Council comes pretty close to that.
They absolutely do. Just as others have the right to not support a business that openly endorses discrimination.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. The KKK also has a record of burning crosses on lawns and allegedly lynching black people. They're not just a group using the court system to move on their agenda.
I know you feel strongly about this, and you know I fully support gay marriage.
But come on, SB. Not every single person who opposes gay marriage has an agenda to hurt, humiliate, or castigate homosexuals. Some of them (and you know a few), struggle every day to reconcile what they're taught about God's desires and what they feel personally for gay people in their own lives. It isn't as cut and dry as "He opposes gay marriage, he's a terrible bigot and a hateful monster."
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?