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"Cheney wants Americans to blame Obama for a mess Cheney created."

Re: "Cheney wants Americans to blame Obama for a mess Cheney created."

Conservative said:
No, you want to divert from the Obama disaster knowing there is nothing that can be done about what happened 13 years ago. I didn't know this thread was about Benghazi and unless I am mistaken I didn't raise the Benghazi issue. Interesting how the past is more important than the failures of the present. That is liberalism and why you have zero credibility
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No extreme of the spectrum has a monopoly on credibility.
 
Re: "Cheney wants Americans to blame Obama for a mess Cheney created."

Conservative said:
You said it was consensus but you have shown no evidence of that thus it is your opinion
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Have you read any non-American newspapers? The general consensus is the war in Iraq was a failure and that Bush and Cheney are war criminals. If you're still slow in grasping this, try El Pais, Le Monde, Der Spiegel, etc.
 
Re: "Cheney wants Americans to blame Obama for a mess Cheney created."

Jack Hays said:
No. I'm not going to elaborate.
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Well that's unsurprising.

There are an infinite number of explanations for a given observation set. I can certainly come up with a variety of explanations for the misleading information fed to the American public as justification for war, and not one of them is flattering for Tenet, Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld, or even President Bush 2.
 
Re: "Cheney wants Americans to blame Obama for a mess Cheney created."

Vern said:
er uh dishonest con, I'm resonding to your post.


Bush lied about the intelligence he was given. President Obama did not. try to focus. try to be honest.
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That is your opinion, the bipartisan committee investigating that claim doesn't agree but then there is the Obama Administration response

What the Obama administration has said about the Libya attack - CNNPolitics.com

Maybe if you stopped reading leftwing blogs and get over your Bush Derangement Syndrome you might actually learn something of value rather than focus simply on tryind to destroy Bush
 
Re: "Cheney wants Americans to blame Obama for a mess Cheney created."

Absentglare said:
Well that's unsurprising.

There are an infinite number of explanations for a given observation set. I can certainly come up with a variety of explanations for the misleading information fed to the American public as justification for war, and not one of them is flattering for Tenet, Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld, or even President Bush 2.
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As you wish.
 
Re: "Cheney wants Americans to blame Obama for a mess Cheney created."

le bouffon said:
Ending the embargo with Cuba. Duh?
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Now that is a great accomplishment, LOL, and something not supported by Cuban Americans but of course you know best
 
Re: "Cheney wants Americans to blame Obama for a mess Cheney created."

Absentglare said:
No extreme of the spectrum has a monopoly on credibility.
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That doesn't appear to be the case as you have called Bush a liar many times
 
Re: "Cheney wants Americans to blame Obama for a mess Cheney created."

le bouffon said:
Have you read any non-American newspapers? The general consensus is the war in Iraq was a failure and that Bush and Cheney are war criminals. If you're still slow in grasping this, try El Pais, Le Monde, Der Spiegel, etc.
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LOL, non American newspapers? You mean those controlled by the government in foreign countries? You said it was it was the consensus of the people there not the media
 
Re: "Cheney wants Americans to blame Obama for a mess Cheney created."

Conservative said:
Now that is a great accomplishment, LOL, and something not supported by Cuban Americans but of course you know best
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Why isn't this a great accomplishment? It's economic stupidity to sanction a country's trade. It goes against the fundamentals in free trade. This will create new job opportunities, markets, etc.
 
Re: "Cheney wants Americans to blame Obama for a mess Cheney created."

Conservative said:
That is your opinion, the bipartisan committee investigating that claim doesn't agree but then there is the Obama Administration response

What the Obama administration has said about the Libya attack - CNNPolitics.com

Maybe if you stopped reading leftwing blogs and get over your Bush Derangement Syndrome you might actually learn something of value rather than focus simply on tryind to destroy Bush
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oh dishonest con, why did you think you could post something you knew wasn't true? oh yea, you're a dishonest con

The final report, from Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Michigan, and ranking member Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, D-Maryland, concludes there was no intelligence failure prior to the attack, no stand-down order to CIA operatives trying to go assist at the besieged consular building and found conflicting intelligence in the wake of the attack about the motive and cause, which were reflected in early public comments by the administration.

Republican-led report debunks Benghazi accusations - CNNPolitics.com

at least you stopped trying to pretend you weren't posting about Benghazi. Now dishonest con, you don't get to pretend not to know the facts I've posted.
 
Re: "Cheney wants Americans to blame Obama for a mess Cheney created."

Conservative said:
LOL, non American newspapers? You mean those controlled by the government in foreign countries? You said it was it was the consensus of the people there not the media
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What are you talking about? Neither of these newspapers are state owned. Are you that clueless?
 
Re: "Cheney wants Americans to blame Obama for a mess Cheney created."

Jack Hays said:
As you wish.
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I wish you didn't put loyalty to a supposed friendship with Tenet above the truth. His actions helped the terrorists on 9-11 and his lies helped an unnecessary invasion of Iraq that killed 4000 Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Again, you only prove conservatives are unfit to govern.
 
celticwar17 said:
I 100% Blame Obama for ISIS... it was HIS decision to pull out of Iraq 100%, even against the advice of many US generals.

You can argue, like many liberals.."Well if we never went to Iraq in the first place....blah blah blah" ...you can think it was a good idea or a bad one... it doesn't matter anymore... we did it, that is what happened...And what did Obama do with the situation?? He made it worse, TONS worse.
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So you just right off the monumental stupidity that Iraqi Freedom was as 'blah blah blah? Okaaaay.

If it was not for Iraqi Freedom and the absolutely idiotic decision to disband the Iraqi military, there would be no ISIS in Iraq today. Not maybe, almost 100% for certain.

Blaming Obama 100% for ISIS is like blaming ineffective nicotine gum for you getting lung cancer. You are to blame for smoking for 30 years, not the gum for not stopping you from smoking. Sure, the gum was useless, but if you had not started smoking, you would not have needed the gum in the first place.

Obama should have pulled out the second he took office, but at least he did eventually pull out.

And what on Earth are you proposing? That American troops should have stayed in Iraq for ever? It is their problem, let them fix it. Why should American lives and tax dollars be thrown away into that quagmire? If you are so desperate for America to go back, then you spend your money and you volunteer your body to go over there and fight ISIS. Me? I'll pass. It's their mess now (largely thanks to American inept foreign policy)...let them clean it up.


And btw, ISIS is one of the most overblown threats in American history.

They are a bunch of whackos/idiots - perhaps 10,000 in number - with virtually no air force or navy, running around in the desert halfway around the world. They are NO THREAD WHATSOEVER to American sovereignty. It is amazing how incredibly spineless America has become that these bunch of ding dong's seem to scare people half to death.

They are over hyped by Neocons who are desperate for a new enemy.


BTW - I am neither dem nor rep.
 
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Re: "Cheney wants Americans to blame Obama for a mess Cheney created."

Vern said:
oh dishonest con, why did you think you could post something you knew wasn't true? oh yea, you're a dishonest con

The final report, from Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Michigan, and ranking member Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, D-Maryland, concludes there was no intelligence failure prior to the attack, no stand-down order to CIA operatives trying to go assist at the besieged consular building and found conflicting intelligence in the wake of the attack about the motive and cause, which were reflected in early public comments by the administration.

Republican-led report debunks Benghazi accusations - CNNPolitics.com

at least you stopped trying to pretend you weren't posting about Benghazi. Now dishonest con, you don't get to pretend not to know the facts I've posted.
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I gave you the Obama response to the attacks, you ignored them, continuing to focus on the past is something I will leave to you as I continue to focus on the Obama results. How about telling us exactly what you want done to Bush and his Administration and why the Democrats didn't do that with total control of the Congress in 2007-08?
 
Re: "Cheney wants Americans to blame Obama for a mess Cheney created."

Conservative said:
That doesn't appear to be the case as you have called Bush a liar many times
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That does not prove what i'm saying one way or another. And i'm not so sure i called President Bush 2 a liar, he was more careful with his speech. I did certainly claim that his administration lied.

I actually can entertain the idea that President Bush 2 is innocent, he seems to be a generally good man.
 
Re: "Cheney wants Americans to blame Obama for a mess Cheney created."

Vern said:
I wish you didn't put loyalty to a supposed friendship with Tenet above the truth. His actions helped the terrorists on 9-11 and his lies helped an unnecessary invasion of Iraq that killed 4000 Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Again, you only prove conservatives are unfit to govern.
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Carry on. Those of us who favor open borders and a national income floor are rarely called conservatives.
 
DA60 said:
ISIS is one of the most overblown threats in American history.
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Destabilizing the region didn't help. ISIS is a mere consequence of meddling with Iraq.
 
Jack Hays said:
ISIS is the result of our too hasty departure from Iraq (2011) and failure to take timely action in Syria (early 2012).
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Oh please. Iraq was perfectly fine under Saddam. The idea of stabilizing the region to the point of democracy, in a country where such a system has been absent for nearly a century, is stretching it.
 
le bouffon said:
Oh please. Iraq was perfectly fine under Saddam. The idea of stabilizing the region to the point of democracy, in a country where such a system has been absent for nearly a century, is stretching it.
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Your reply discredits itself.
 
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