Chelsea Clinton: Republican Party Is the Party of ‘White Supremacists’

[Peacenik]

Come on now, the Trump Klan Party can't be white supremacists.

Yeah, and the world is flat.

 

[Hypothetical]

Not at all. From Medicare to the ACA to SNAP, the Dems have done a very admirable job to create some basic safety nets so it's not the freedom of the jungle here. So much so that even the Trumpists voting against them realize it.



Greed is as much a part of human nature as generosity. Short-sightedness is just as much a part of human nature as prudence. It's just a matter of asking: which do we want? There is nothing inevitable about either of them. We can choose how much to have of each.

Republicans keep talking about greed as if it's some inevitable aspect of human nature to succumb to short-sighted greed in preference to a more just and secure society. It's not. Almost all other developed economies in the world have such safety nets.

Why is it different here? It's not the size of our country. It's the racism and the short sighted greed. These two things As far form a toxic symbiotic relationship in the GOP: the corporatists and 1% think they can continue to live and make lots of money in a country that provides so much economic and political security and stability to them, and still not pay any taxes. So they prey on the rampant racism in the country to keep cutting their own taxes- often on the backs of those very same racists they are exploiting.

Reagan's chief poltiical campaign strategist, Lee Atwater, explained how this works back in this 1981 interview:

"Atwater: Y'all don't quote me on this. You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger." "

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so jus to be clear, progressives believe THAT is what conservatives think as they are pulling the lever voting for republicans? basically that "oh well i don't care if I have no healthcare, I ain't going to let some (insert minority here_) have it!"

I mean that is truly moronic.

I mean it can;t POSSIBLY be, "well we should not let people into the country ILLEGALLY, and the more they tax me the more they are going to line THEIR pockets because they aren't going to expand programs for me, mr. middle class, and the democrats appear to want to put restrictions on the 1st and 2nd amendments, so I think I need to vote republican even though I know they support big business more than I would like." right?

nah that can;t be it, because RRAAAAACISM.


geez.

 

[Peacenik]

Define "The Republican Party" please.

A strange request. Why the need for a rather obvious definition? What's your angle?

A political party is comprised of citizens who vote for candidates in that party, and have declared on their voter registration that they are members of that party.

 

[Hypothetical]

Not at all. From Medicare to the ACA to SNAP, the Dems have done a very admirable job to create some basic safety nets so it's not the freedom of the jungle here. So much so that even the Trumpists voting against them realize it.



Greed is as much a part of human nature as generosity. Short-sightedness is just as much a part of human nature as prudence. It's just a matter of asking: which do we want? There is nothing inevitable about either of them. We can choose how much to have of each.

Republicans keep talking about greed as if it's some inevitable aspect of human nature to succumb to short-sighted greed in preference to a more just and secure society. It's not. Almost all other developed economies in the world have such safety nets.

Why is it different here? It's not the size of our country. It's the racism and the short sighted greed. These two things form a toxic symbiotic relationship in the GOP: the corporatists and 1% think they can continue to live and make lots of money in a country that provides so much economic and political security and stability to them, and still not pay any taxes. So they prey on the rampant racism in the country to keep cutting their own taxes- often on the backs of those very same racists they are exploiting.

Reagan's chief poltiical campaign strategist, Lee Atwater, explained how this works back in this 1981 interview:

"Atwater: Y'all don't quote me on this. You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger." "

Southern strategy - Wikipedia

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and let me further give you a little insight... your preferred party loses a lot because your radical agendas all over the sun, DO NOT SELL to normal people.

that is why you HAVE to drum up BS like half the country is racist to support people voting for you.

 

[tres borrachos]

stop lying: I support such things. I have also noted-dozens of times-that it is rare to find a politician who supports everything I do. So I have to choose. other issues are more important to me and affect me more profoundly than gay rights and abortion. So I often vote for politicians who are less than ideal on the gay rights or abortion issues because they are better choices on the issues that matter the most. So you are lying about me as usual. You claim to be a republican and yet your posts-since 2016, sound like something straight out of DNC central

You said you don't agree with their agenda on gay marriage and abortion. Right in that post I quoted.

I "claim" be a Republican because I still am a registered Republican.

So why do you keep lying about being a Libertarian when you are clearly not?

 

[nota bene]

I'm not too fond of someone labelling an entire opposition party as white supremacists either...so enduring comments about her looks might be the toll she pays.

I don't think that another wrong makes this right. I certainly do agree, whether the criticism is of one party or another, that labeling the entire party is both ugly and illogical.

 

[nota bene]

That’s nice.

Wrong word choice. What I posted was fair and reasonable. Perhaps you need to reflect on what the ad hom fallacy is about and then consider whether what you posted was fair.

 

[TheParser]

You think that white Americans have acted as a "neutral arbiter" related to Black, Latino, and Asian Americans?

Yes, since the 1960s.

And especially since 2021.

The TV commercials (that portray an ideal nation) have more Asian and Hispanic roles than ever.

 

[ataraxia]

so jus to be clear, progressives believe THAT is what conservatives think as they are pulling the lever voting for republicans? basically that "oh well i don't care if I have no healthcare, I ain't going to let some (insert minority here_) have it!"

That’s not just what progressives think. That is what GOP political strategists think and count on, and I gave you the quotes from them to prove it. That kind of racism may not even be conscious. But it’s the main reason why the United States ranks so low among developed economies of the world in terms of basic protections and safety nets for its citizens. No one else lives like this, with the freedom of the jungle. This is not how people live in modern economies and civil societies

Southern strategy - Wikipedia

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[Gnosis]

Yes, since the 1960s.

And especially since 2021.

The TV commercials (that portray an ideal nation) have more Asian and Hispanic roles than ever.

Token casting does not equate to racial neutrality. There are a lot of white allies, but it's primarily white Americans who have kept racism alive and thriving in the US.

 

[911Sparky]

more childish nonsense. you want to insult the entire GOP and you don't have any real support for your BS

Totally agree with this, yet you will sit silently by why conservative posters on this forum call anybody who disagrees with them leftist commies.
The sooner we can get past the name calling, the better off we will all be, and I am referring to both sides.

 

[ataraxia]

few GOP members are white supremacists. Few Democrat party members are black racists. I will concede the GOP probably has more white supremacists than the Dems and I will assert the Dems have more black racists than the GOP. And the dems also advocate the racism of lowered expectations as to blacks

How big a problem is black racism in this country compared to white?

 

[TurtleDude]

Totally agree with this, yet you will sit silently by why conservative posters on this forum call anybody who disagrees with them leftist commies.
The sooner we can get past the name calling, the better off we will all be, and I am referring to both sides.

there are more than enough left-wingers on this board-they are the dominant group-to whine about conservatives who call others commies (something I really haven't seen much of)

 

[TurtleDude]

How big a problem is black racism in this country compared to white?

well given the fact that blacks engage in far more

1) rapes
2) murders
3) armed robberies

against whites than vice versa, a big issue. Now I understand that some violent black on white crime is not racially motivated.

 

[TheParser]

There are a lot of white allies, but it's primarily white Americans who have kept racism alive and thriving in the US.

Excuse me, but the majority of young gentlemen beating the blank out of young and especially old Asians are not Caucasians.

When Koreans started coming to this country, it was not Caucasian students who bullied the Koreans in high school -- until the Koreans used physical means to defend themselves.

When the Los Angeles riots started in the early 1990s, the Korean shop owners stood guard with guns against possible looters, who were not Caucasians.

Caucasians -- by and large -- have been the best friends since the 1960s of African Americans and Asian Americans and Hispanic Americans and Native Americans.

They deserve praise and a medal.

But all they get is ingratitude from certain sanctimonious circles.

 

[JMR]

I guess one difference between us is that I don't think anybody needs to be "excused" for how he or she votes. We each have only one vote, and whoever wins any race will because more individuals chose to vote for him and her.

And by the way, I believe I owe you an apology. I think I misread your "last" for "least" in the post about Bush Sr. and am sorry.

I guess I had assumed that as a nation we share a standard of ethics and behavior for a President. Trump has proven me wrong there. If only actual votes determined the outcome we'd be in a totally different place right now.

No problem, thanks for the apology. I really did like Bush Sr.......except of course his nomination of Clarence Thomas,

 

[ataraxia]

well given the fact that blacks engage in far more

1) rapes
2) murders
3) armed robberies

against whites than vice versa, a big issue. Now I understand that some violent black on white crime is not racially motivated.

Yes, you are correct. This has nothing to do with racism. It has to do with poverty.

Black racism is not a significant issue in the United States today. White racism, on the other hand…

 

[JMR]

I honestly don't think that this one remark was why Hillary lost. When I joined DP in 2011, I posted frequently my opinion that she was the most overweeningly ambitious politician of my lifetime. Ugh, her "standing by her man" post-Lewinsky and her NY carpetbagging just did it for me.

I noticed the shift after the Clinton Admins. When Dubya was elected people were posting memes of him running in the Special Olympics and expressing the hope when he attended a performance at the Ford Theater that he would be assassinated. In fact, I think there was a film about his being assassinated. This was the beginning of the new low, IMO.

October 7, 1996 might be the exact date. Fox News goes on cable, becoming the jump start on political entertainment. Viewers and Money dictate the content.

 

[TurtleDude]

Yes, you are correct. This has nothing to do with racism. It has to do with poverty.

Black racism is not a significant issue in the United States today. White racism, on the other hand…

I didn't say that-I said some violent crimes are not mainly motivated by race. But many attacks are. Rapes for example. and there have been many cases of blacks killing whites for racial reasons.

 

[tres borrachos]

I guess I had assumed that as a nation we share a standard of ethics and behavior for a President. Trump has proven me wrong there. If only actual votes determined the outcome we'd be in a totally different place right now.

No problem, thanks for the apology. I really did like Bush Sr.......except of course his nomination of Clarence Thomas,

George HW Bush was a great man. A real Republican. A war hero. Intelligent as all get out.

Like you, I wish he had picked someone better than Thomas. I wasn't a big fan of his pick of David Souter either, but I think that was John Sununu Sr. who picked him.

 

[TurtleDude]

George HW Bush was a great man. A real Republican. A war hero. Intelligent as all get out.

Like you, I wish he had picked someone better than Thomas. I wasn't a big fan of his pick of David Souter either, but I think that was John Sununu Sr. who picked him.

Who else could have GHWB picked after Senate Majority leader (Mitchell IIRC) told him that anyone appointed to "Marshall'seat" who was not black would be "Borked"

and you are right about Sununu. Former white House counsel and Federalist society founder Lee Liberman (Otis) was heavily involved in that issue. Edith Jones of Texas was the other contender. Sununu was unaware of some of the issues concerning stealth candidate Souter who had an impressive academic career but apparently was in "the closet" and that caused much of his left wing reactions to the Bush II administration years later. He also-as a state justice, had not ruled on many contentious cases so as to create ammo for use against him

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

It is of no concern who said it if a statement is true.

The Republican Party is the party of white supremacists.

they don't even try to hide it. Not sure why their scumbag base wants to pretend they are not, and whine about it. Republicans supporters vote for POS that pander to racists and bigots and terrorists

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

I appreciate how brazenly open progressives are putting their bigotry on full public display.

LOL, this is how dumb and sad right wing trolling is, holy shit this is the equivalent of 'I''m rubber, your glue" LOL.

Trolls here are embarrassing

 

[trixare4kids]

Way back when Obama beat Hilary In the primary I predicted Chelsea would be our first female president.

I still think it’s very possible…

Stick a fork in Chelsea. She'll never get the vote by calling an entire party white supremacists. She'll be seen as a chip off the old block, and out of touch entitled elitist, just like her nasty-mouthed mother.

 

[Logician Man]

Stick a fork in Chelsea.

Let's not. That would be a premeditated, violent felony crime, and a violation of her right to bodily autonomy.