er uh Chez, I actually addressed your “spirit in which it was born” comment. sorry if you are offended by me lumping you in with the ODP but I see little difference in the opinions.
Lets review the facts
A child was walking home minding his own business and now he’s dead. the police thought no crime was committed. I believe race was a factor in his death and initial non action from the police. People were outraged. I find it pretty outrageous too. Obviously you and the ODP dont. Can you put it into words why you don’t?
And as usual, the conservative blogosphere cranked out the usual lies and distortions. do you think the conservative blogosphere played the race card when they showed a big mean-looking tattooed rapper and said “this is Trayvon”?
Yes lets look at the facts, what were they? A neighborhood watchman seen a suspicious looking person. .
the suspicious looking person disappeared, then reappeared and this innocent child attacked a man who was patrolling for vandals in his community. Upon attacking him, getting the better of him and bashing his head in to the pavement repeatedly, this innocent child then got shot. Lesson#1 Don't bite off more than you can chew. Lesson #2 Innocent children should not attack strangers especially when they aren't in a neighborhood that is theirs and the LAW allows those strangers to carry a firearm and defend themselves when attacked by innocent children.....
Further, yes, the tattoo was a counter-offensive against an already race-baiting narrative of the Press.
Funny how the same people that want Zimmermans head on a pike are now defending this bus driver........
great narrative. But who's defending the bus driver?
But the "spirit in which it was born" required you to believe CNN was "outraged" when Trayvon Martin was killed. And as one poster demonstrated the"spirit in which it was born" required you to believe that CNN (and other outlets) used a 5 year old picture of TM. And of course the picture of the tattooed rapper (and mean looking too) that was falsely circulated as picture of TM is also part of the "spirit in which it was born".
so again, a conservative posts a narrative that cannot be supported by actual facts and resulted in the usual lies and spin from the conservative blogosphere. Remember, as a conservative your track record involves believing the President was born in Kenya, his BC was a forgery, Obamacare had death panels, we found WMDs, tax cuts pay for themselves, the market is going to zero, we'll have hyperinflation and on and on and on. You cant even get the facts right and now you want us to accept your "supposin". At some point you people need to realize you are terrible judges of what is the truth is.
*raises hand*The better question is to ask is who isn't.... Now you have your answer!
*raises hand*
I'm not defending the bus driver.
why was he "suspicious"? explain that without saying "black" and then maybe you could make a case "the race card was played". I seem to recall a "hoodie" narrative was attempted at one time. And why did Zimmerman say "those assholes always get away"? sounds like he thought Trayvon was already guilty of something. Why did Zimmerman ignore the 9-11 operator who told him to not to follow? And why follow him? why not ask him his business? yea, a lot of questions you ignore and cant answer.
oh, when you quote Zimmerman's version of events its all becomes so clear. except why am I supposed to believe Zimmerman's version of events? besides trying not to go to jail, what reason would Zimmerman have to lie. So fyi, posting Zimmerman's version cant be posted as fact. You realize that right? You clearly heard Trayvon asking him why he was following him. seems like a perfectly reasonable question someone would ask when being followed by a stranger. Why couldn't Zimmerman just ask what he was doing there? He would have learned that Trayvon was actually staying there. I guess its safe to assume Zimmerman answer him.
I'm sorry, you just used your delusion about "playing the race card" to justify yet another lie from the right. and yet you demand respect for your opinion. now that is the funniest thing you've posted yet.
And then out comes the incoherent racist delusions. yea, you're so much better than the ODP. The rest of your babble isn't even worthy to repost let alone discuss. Lets just say, like all cons, you are using delusion to justify delusion. good luck with that.
*raises hand*
I'm not defending the bus driver.
So, the intellectual gelding returns.
How about if you make your daddy proud for a change and sound off like you got a pair? There's no rule that says you have to be a coward your whole life.
One more time:
Do you really believe that, had the racial composition been reversed in this incident, CNN would have presented the story in the same exact way?
YES or NO?
Good...
The right thing to have done is to break that nonsense up regardless of a job (then again a job is like gold in this economy) however, a job is no excuse to let any of that crap happen...
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blah blah blah.
You said the people who want Zimmermans head on spike (oh the melodrama) are now defending the bus driver. you made the statement now back it up. don't deflect. dont put the onus on me to disprove your silly narrative. back it up.
*raises hand*
I too am not defending the bus driver.
It's quite evident that progressives are incapable of EVER JUDGING BLACKS OR MINORITIES.
I don't want these black kids condemned to death I just want progressives to acknowledge that they sing a different tune when its black on white crime... At least they can admit it, obviously there is nothing anyone can do about the quacks in the media but progressives should at least admit their bias..
The problem with so-called "progressives" is that they are not very progressive. Indeed, many of them carry on like it's 1961.
Your argument makes no sense, though. If they wanted to lie about their motives, why would they not say that the white kid called them a racist name? That's a significantly more likely lie than "He told on me for dealing drugs", don't you think?
I've already answered this question multiple times. It's not my fault you ask a dishonest and irrelevant question. Ask a relevant question and you're more likely to get an answer you want. And phrasing it as you do is not only a dishonest and irrelevant question, it's also a fallacy known as bifurcation.So, the intellectual gelding returns.
How about if you make your daddy proud for a change and sound off like you got a pair? There's no rule that says you have to be a coward your whole life.
One more time:
Do you really believe that, had the racial composition been reversed in this incident, CNN would have presented the story in the same exact way?
YES or NO?
I think you misunderstood me. Not unreasonable because I didn't really explain it.Good...
The right thing to have done is to break that nonsense up regardless of a job (then again a job is like gold in this economy) however, a job is no excuse to let any of that crap happen...
Of course there is no such thing as an adult and a child any more in our society - they're/we're all children of government....
I'm only 33 and back when I was 10 or whatever the bus driver would have stopped the entire "robbery-fight" and the offending kids would have been punished and the driver would have felt pride in doing his job.... But welcome to "progressiveland 2012 USA" no more of that - 3 black kids robbing a white kid and an "adult" cant get involved....
****ing wonderful...
Change - Change we can believe in.
I'm one of the last of an era in US history where a teacher could grab you by your ear and drag you out of the classroom for talking **** (getting fresh) without getting sued....
I've already answered this question multiple times.
It's not my fault you ask a dishonest and irrelevant question. Ask a relevant question and you're more likely to get an answer you want.
And phrasing it as you do is not only a dishonest and irrelevant question, it's also a fallacy known as bifurcation.
The fact of the matter is your entire position is utterly stupid. It doesn't matter what would have happened in a separate incident,
what matters is what happened in THIS story. And this story, there was ZERO spin. It was a simple reporting of the facts.
Whether or not CNN would have spun a hypothetical story if the races were different doesn't have anything to do with how this story was written.
If you can't get past your own racist tendencies, there's really no reason to continue to explain it to you.
You want a specific answer. You are not getting the specific answer you desire. Me not answering it the way you want doesn't make me an "intellectual coward", it just suggests childishness on your part to not accept the fact there are more answers than the two options you provide.No, you have DODGED the question multiple times, like an intellectual coward.
Except that was not the topic of the discussion. The topic of this thread was your assertion that CNN was spinning this story in a racial manner. I proved you wrong and now you're throwing a tantrum.When the topic of discussion is BIAS IN THE MEDIA (this is the topic of this forum, since you apparently forgot), the question is totally relevant.
Uhh...what? You demand a yes or no answer to a question which has more than one alternative answer. By the very definition of the fallacy, you are doing it. I very much understand fallacies. The fact you are throwing a tantrum has nothing to do with your ridiculous question.I did not present you with a false dilemma. If you do not understand the fallacy of bifurcation, do us a both a favor, and try not to use it as a means of escaping a losing argument. It just makes you seem all the more pathetic.
No, it's not wrong.WRONG!!!
No, it doesn't because that was NOT the point you were trying to make. You claimed CNN spun this story, simply be reporting facts. It was a stupid assertion. What CNN does/did to other stories is irrelevant to what they did to THIS story, and we're simply talking about this story.It not only matters, IT IS CENTRAL TO THE POINT I AM MAKING!!!!.. namely, that had the racial composition been reversed, the story would have been reported very differently. THIS MATTERS!!!!
:lamoWRONG!!!
The spin is the taking of an issue that is tertiary to the incident, namely, the school's policy in regards to bus drivers intervening in physical altercations between students, and making it the primary focus of the story.
Only in the mind of a racist would not commenting on race when race wasn't a factor would this be considered spin.THIS IS SPIN, EVEN IF YOU LACK THE PERCEPTION AND INTELLIGENCE TO RECOGNIZE IT!!!
And CNN was wrong to turn that into a racial issue. They did so to sell copies. I've said that many times, in this thread even.Now, you can argue all you want that in a colorblind world race would not ordinarily be a factor in reporting such an incident. However, we do not live in such a world, especially not now, in the wake of all the racial hoopla created by CNN, et al., regarding the death of one Trayvon Martin. This much should be painfully obvious to anyone not in a coma.
BECAUSE THIS WAS NOT A RACIAL ATTACK! THIS WAS A DRUG RELATED ATTACK!OMG!!!.. It has everything to do with CNN (as well as other news media) using race as a tool to promote a particular sociopolitical agenda, and disregarding race when it does not promote the agenda. Why can't you understand this?
Yes. You are outraged people don't condemn the black kids. You don't want people to condemn someone who looked white (Zimmerman) but you want them to condemn the black children. I'd call that racism.My racist tendencies?
You want a specific answer. You are not getting the specific answer you desire. Me not answering it the way you want doesn't make me an "intellectual coward", it just suggests childishness on your part to not accept the fact there are more answers than the two options you provide.
Except that was not the topic of the discussion. The topic of this thread was your assertion that CNN was spinning this story in a racial manner. I proved you wrong and now you're throwing a tantrum.
Uhh...what? You demand a yes or no answer to a question which has more than one alternative answer. By the very definition of the fallacy, you are doing it. I very much understand fallacies. The fact you are throwing a tantrum has nothing to do with your ridiculous question.
No, it doesn't because that was NOT the point you were trying to make. You claimed CNN spun this story, simply be reporting facts. It was a stupid assertion. What CNN does/did to other stories is irrelevant to what they did to THIS story, and we're simply talking about this story.
One has to be an incredible racist to think NOT reporting race when race isn't a factor is spinning a story racially.
A child was beaten mercilessly while an adult looked on, unable to stop it. You don't think that's important? I am literally at my wit's end to figure out how reporting an absolutely wretched attack not being stopped is not more important than discussing race in a situation which had nothing to do with race.
Only in the mind of a racist would not commenting on race when race wasn't a factor would this be considered spin.
And CNN was wrong to turn that into a racial issue. They did so to sell copies. I've said that many times, in this thread even.
But what's stupid is that now you want them to do the EXACT same thing you seem so outraged they did before, because this time it's YOUR race which was the victim. Your posts very much suggest gross hypocrisy and racism. This is you, "I hate that they turn Trayvon into a racial issue...now why the hell aren't they making this a racial issue! Damn spinning media!"
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