Chavez's cancer has 'entered the end stage'

Connery · Jun 2, 2012

TheDemSocialist said:
Really?
Then why has he been re-elected many times in fair elections?

Things are not always as balanced and fair they appear, for example, the result of the referendum to recall Chavez whose numbers some believe were skewed and a fraud* was committed. This led to an abysmal existence for those who believed Chavez and his promises.

The president, an unsuccessful military-coup-monger, is always uncomfortable with democracy. The constitution devised by him in 1999 made the CNE an independent branch of government, but Mr Chávez constantly interferes in its affairs, warning it against validating “illegal” signatures and ordering it to reconfigure itself before organising any referendum.

Those who dared to support the recall are also being singled out for persecution by public-sector employers, including ministries, the armed forces and the powerful state oil corporation, Petróleos de Venezuela (PDVSA). Although the previous CNE would not publish the names of the signatories, the database containing the names and identity-card numbers of those who signed an earlier petition, delivered last November, was leaked to Luis Tascón, a legislator from Mr Chávez's Fifth Republic Movement (MVR). Mr Tascón published them on his website, and threatens to do the same with the latest batch.

The first to suffer the consequences were military officers, subjected to disciplinary hearings and even discharged for signing, though the 1999 constitution gives them almost the same political rights as civilians. Then came PDVSA. The oil corporation had already ,sacked over 18,000 workers for striking in December and January, and had forced its contractors to deny them jobs. Now PDVSA is using the referendum database to filter applicants for work. The man in charge of personnel is Asdrubal Chávez the president's second cousin; he declined to answer questions.

The 1999 constitution outlaws discrimination on the basis of political beliefs. It obliges the state to punish violations of human rights. And, to keep the authorities honest, it creates yet another branch of government, the so-called “moral power”, which includes the office of an ombudsman, or “defender of the people”. Unfortunately, Germín Mundaraín, who holds the job now, is slavishly obedient to the government. He has, he says, received no complaints about this kind of job discrimination. Meanwhile, according to several current and former members of his staff, he himself is carrying out a purge of opposition supporters in his office.

Venezuela: With us or against us? | The Economist

And why has his programs he implemented lead to this?

That is a wonderful report and a very positive move toward real economic power on the international stage. However it is only a snapshot of an aspect of society, albeit very important, but not the whole picture. There needed to be more information regarding personal freedoms, opportunities for the everyday person to achieve and grow.

Sources on this?

See posts 49, 37.

*The Venezuelan recall referendum of 15 August 2004 was a referendum to determine whether Hugo Chávez, the current President of Venezuela, should be recalled from office. The official result of the referendum was not to recall Chávez (41% yes), but a peer-reviewed scientific study found that the yes vote in reality was 56.4%. The fraud has later been confirmed by 6 peer-reviewed papers published in special section of Statistical Science (Vol 26, Nr 4).
Venezuelan recall referendum, 2004

Sparky · Jun 2, 2012

Awesome! said:
It's too bad he has to suffer with cancer, but at least the people of Venezuela may have a chance to fight for their rights for freedom of expression soon.

No it's not bad enough. He needs to keep on suffering.

Awesome! said:
As much as I dislike leftistas and libtardos, I believe in their right to protest and to criticize the government, but Chavez doesn't and it's amazing to me the support that this person has received on this forum.

That's because ALL LIBERALS are uncivilized and of course they support a heinious ruthless dictator because Liberals hate freedom and self determination.

Mya · Jun 2, 2012

Awesome! said:
It's too bad he has to suffer with cancer......................

................and it's amazing to me the support that this person has received on this forum. Included a link about the people of Venezuela that care about their country and rights as follows:

Caracas Nine - Images

Cancer is a horrible,horrible thing, I agree on that

on the other hand... it is also amazing to me the support this man, apparently has, in this thread.

justabubba · Jun 2, 2012

The current economic expansion began when the government got control over the national oil company in the first quarter of 2003. Since then, real (inflationadjusted) GDP has nearly doubled, growing by 94.7 percent in 5.25 years, or 13.5 percent annually.
Most of this growth has been in the nonoil sector of the economy, and the private sector has grown faster than the public sector.

During the current economic expansion, the poverty rate has been cut by more than half, from 54 percent of households in the first half of 2003 to 26 percent at the end of 2008. Extreme poverty has fallen even more, by 72 percent. These poverty rates measure only cash income, and does not take into account increased access to health care or education.
Over the entire decade, the percentage of households in poverty has been reduced by 39 percent, and extreme poverty by more than half.

Inequality, as measured by the Gini index, has also fallen substantially. The index has fallen to 41 in 2008, from 48.1 in 2003 and 47 in 1999. This represents a large reduction in inequality.

Real (inflation adjusted) social spending per person more than tripled from 1998-2006.

From 1998-2006, infant mortality has fallen by more than onethird. The number of primary care physicians in the public sector increased 12fold from 1999-2007, providing health care to millions of Venezuelans who previously did not have access.

There have been substantial gains in education, especially higher education, where gross enrollment rates more than doubled from 1999/2000 to 2007/2008.

The labor market also improved substantially over the last decade, with unemployment dropping from 11.3 percent to 7.8 percent. During the current expansion it has fallen by more than half. Other labor market indicators also show substantial gains.

Over the past decade, the number of social security beneficiaries has more than doubled.

Over the decade, the government's total public debt has fallen from 30.7 to 14.3 percent of GDP. The foreign public debt has fallen even more, from 25.6 to 9.8 percent of GDP.

Inflation is about where it was 10 years ago, ending the year at 31.4 percent. However it has been falling over the last half year (as measured by threemonth averages) and is likely to continue declining this year in the face of strong deflationary pressures worldwide.

The Chávez Administration at 10 Years: The Economy and Social Indicators | venezuelanalysis.com

Sparky · Jun 2, 2012

Mya said:
Cancer is a horrible,horrible thing, I agree on that

And cancer couldn't have happened to a more dispicable person.... except maybe Sean Penn... we can only hope.

What a unpatriotic scumbag Sean Penn turned out to be.

whysoserious · Jun 2, 2012

Sparky said:
And cancer couldn't have happened to a more dispicable person.... except maybe Sean Penn... we can only hope.

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What a unpatriotic scumbag Sean Penn turned out to be.

And the republicans continue to show their extreme classiness! Way to go, buddy! Keep watching that Fox News and listening to that Rush Limbaughs, it's making you into quite an awesome person!

Mya · Jun 2, 2012

Sparky said:
And cancer couldn't have happened to a more dispicable person.... except maybe Sean Penn... we can only hope.

No.

Cancer should happen to nobody.

Sparky · Jun 2, 2012

whysoserious said:
And the republicans continue to show their extreme classiness! Way to go, buddy! Keep watching that Fox News and listening to that Rush Limbaughs, it's making you into quite an awesome person!

I'm so sorry if you're offended by my comments about your murdering dictator hero but I'm neither Republican nor Conservative nor do I listen to Rush. I'm a FAIR and BALANCED Independent swing voter.

You're just proved your typical LIberal ignorance.

whysoserious · Jun 2, 2012

Sparky said:
I'm neither Republican nor Conservative. I'm a FAIR and BALANCED Independent swing voter.

You're just proved your typical LIberal ignorance.

LOL. That's ****ing comment of the year. I want you to know I seriously laughed out loud a bit. *Golf clap* and a tip of the hat to you, sir.

digsbe · Jun 2, 2012

I wonder if Chavez will drop out of being the leader if he is dying.

Sparky · Jun 2, 2012

whysoserious said:
LOL. That's ****ing comment of the year. I want you to know I seriously laughed out loud a bit. *Golf clap* and a tip of the hat to you, sir.

What comment is that?

nota bene · Jun 2, 2012

digsbe said:
I wonder if Chavez will drop out of being the leader if he is dying.

Not if he can help it.

nota bene · Jun 2, 2012

whysoserious said:
And the republicans continue to show their extreme classiness! Way to go, buddy! Keep watching that Fox News and listening to that Rush Limbaughs, it's making you into quite an awesome person!

Don't judge all Republicans by the vile comments of one person on a message board. You're no better if you do.

soccerboy22 · Jun 2, 2012

Mya said:
No.

Cancer should happen to nobody.

I agree, but I find myself having an easier time with certain people getting it than others.

Texmex · Jun 3, 2012

Sparky said:
Hi everyone. Just to let you know that Texmex is spamming my PM box with threats for the past several weeks. Now he just posts that he's reporting me for my comments about Chevez's cancer. I must have really struck a nerve with him to have him spam my PM box with threats of violence and now threats that he's going to follow each of my posts here on the forum and repoirt me to the mods whenever he feels that my piosts offends him. He like Sean Penn must really like a ruthless murdering dictator.

Grow up and get a life TEX and stop spamming my pm box with threats of violence.

Is it any wonder why I don't like Liberals. They're all lunatics.

This is a lie. Here is my PM:

I am reporting your infraction concerning the Chavez thread. You really should learn to temper what you say. You don't have to attempt to be the tough guy with every posting.

Texmex · Jun 3, 2012

Sparky said:
so utterly pathetic how you libs whorship and defend this murdering dictator.

Hyperbole on steroids!

DaveFagan · Jun 3, 2012

Texmex said:
This is a lie. Here is my PM:

I am reporting your infraction concerning the Chavez thread. You really should learn to temper what you say. You don't have to attempt to be the tough guy with every posting.

It's ok. We got his number. Fair and balanced, dial ought, ought and ought.

Texmex · Jun 3, 2012

Sparky said:
I don't know but but he's definitely whacked out and has a few screws loose. He's been stalking and PMing my mailbox with death threats.... but I'm sure the Liberal mods won't do anything about it because like ALL LIBERALS, they turn a blind eye everytime anyone in their camp commits a dispicable act.

Death threats! :lamo :lamo

Unlike you I don't assume all conservatives are pathological liars, just the crazy ones. Of course you know I never threatened you. You really should see someone for help before you go farther off the edge.

I implore the moderators to look at my postings, including my PM's and yours. You are the one who stepped over the line, not me. What is odd is all I did was report you breaking the rules, nothing personal. Now you fabricate all this stuff. You might really need some professional help before you start pulling the wings off flies or doing unmentionable things to cats and dogs.

ric27 · Jun 3, 2012

lpast said:
This reporter has been told that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has metastatic rhabdomyosarcoma, an aggressive cancer that has "entered the end stage". The information and the quote come from a highly respected source close to Chavez and who is in a position to know his medical condition and history. This source says the prognosis is dire and that Chavez is now not expected to live "more than a couple of months at most." Chavez is running for re-elec tion in Venezuela but several sources--including the one who revealed the exact kind of cancer-- have told me that they believe it is doubtful the dictator will live to see the results.

Report: Chavez's cancer has 'entered the end stage' - Yahoo! News

I'm sure, he is making amends...

Rest in peace

Connery · Jun 3, 2012

digsbe said:
I wonder if Chavez will drop out of being the leader if he is dying.

It appears Chavez has already prepared for the worst. However, there will be a battle for leadership should he die.

If Chávez were to die or become incapacitated, "a fragmentation of the movement" would likely occur. In the immediate aftermath of such an incident, Vice President Elías Jaua would take power, according to the constitution. Perhaps as an indication that Chávez is preparing for the worst, he formed a nine-member State Council earlier this month, headed by Jaua, to assist him with executive duties. The nine "would be able to draw upon a broader leadership base and carry more authority" in Chávez's absence, Wilpert said.

But with elections on the horizon, the Socialists' hold on power would be threatened without Chávez heading the party.

The following is a list of possible successors through the electoral process.

Henrique Capriles of the center-right Justice First party, but Capriles has been building momentum and could perform well against a candidate less established than Chávez.

Jaua, as Chávez's immediate successor, is one of the top candidates, though he is viewed as more of an administrator than a leader. Chávez appointed Jaua, 43, vice president in 2010; he served as Minister of Agriculture before then. Having been a university professor, Jaua's background is academic, and while he is viewed as an intellectual, he lacks the charisma and oratory skills to be a statesman on par with Chávez.

Diosdado Cabello, the current Speaker of the National Assembly...who has focused on democratization in Venezuela.

Foreign Affairs Minister Nicolás Maduro, 50, who started off as a bus driver and became a labor union leader...Maduro's politics align very closely with Chávez's.

José Vicente Rangel, 82, a former vice president (2002 to 2005)...Ideologically, he is similar to Chávez.

Lastly, there is Chávez's elder brother, Adán Chávez, 59. Currently the governor of the Venezuelan state of Barinas, Adán, a former physics professor, has a long history of political activity, with views often considered even more radical than his brother's.

Hugo Chavez's Terminal Mystery Cancer And Venezuela's Looming Power Vacuum - International Business Times

(see post 24)

Dittohead not! · Jun 3, 2012

Sparky said:
I'm so sorry if you're offended by my comments about your murdering dictator hero but I'm neither Republican nor Conservative nor do I listen to Rush. I'm a FAIR and BALANCED Independent swing voter.

You're just proved your typical LIberal ignorance.

Who hates all liberals, because all liberals are the same and they all hate freedom.

What is your definition of the term "liberal", BTW?

Dittohead not! · Jun 3, 2012

nota bene said:
Not if he can help it.

When he dies, if he is then resurrected and remains leader of Venezuela, then the world will sit up and take notice, don't you think?

Medusa · Jun 3, 2012

Dittohead not! said:
Who hates all liberals, because all liberals are the same and they all hate freedom.

What is your definition of the term "liberal", BTW?

any liberal who hates freedoms ,his definition must be communist:mrgreen:

Lethargic Aptitude · Jun 3, 2012

Connery said:
It appears Chavez has already prepared for the worst. However, there will be a battle for leadership should he die.

Hugo Chavez's Terminal Mystery Cancer And Venezuela's Looming Power Vacuum - International Business Times

(see post 24)

Adan Chavez has already made it clear that he is going to take over by force if necessary when Hugo either dies or looses an election.

Red_Dave · Jun 3, 2012

FreedomFromAll said:
Adan Chavez has already made it clear that he is going to take over by force if necessary when Hugo either dies or looses an election.

Got a link/source?

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