Charlie Kirk wasn't racist or hateful- prove me wrong

[mrjurrs]

That’s the AA/DEI policy, but calling it a goal instead of a quota makes it perfectly OK.

Of course, it’s clearly unconstitutional to say that you’d hire only a man or *gasp* a white man for that position.

Source the Constitutional authority you are claiming please.

 

[LostInSeattle]

Here's the whole screed

He then proceeded with


The context is clear in his rambling racist screed.

All the left cares about is "force and power," says Kirk. Great starting point for a convo, a blanket statement against an undefined segment of society.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Pay attention no it did not. They were already hired.

Nonsense.

President Joseph R. Biden announced his first nominee to the Supreme Court on Friday, fulfilling a campaign promise to appoint the first Black woman to the high court.

President Biden Makes History by Nominating Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson as the First Black Woman to serve on the Supreme Court

(Washington, D.C.) — President Joseph R. Biden announced his first nominee to the Supreme Court on Friday, fulfilling a campaign promise to appoint the first Black woman to the high court. The nominee, Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson, has served on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit...

www.lawyerscommittee.org

Following Justice Breyer’s announcement of his retirement on January 27, President Joe Biden has reiterated his 2020 campaign promise to nominate the first Black woman to the Supreme Court.

Fair Courts Update: Biden Promises Historic Nomination of Black Woman to U.S. Supreme Court

This Fair Courts Update highlights Biden’s promise to nominate a Black woman to SCOTUS, advocacy for a Supreme Court Code of Conduct, redistricting cases in state courts, and more.

www.brennancenter.org

During the 2020 presidential campaign, President Biden promised to nominate a Black woman to the Supreme Court. Justice Stephen Breyer announced his intention to retire last month, providing Biden with the opportunity to make good on his pledge.

Biden’s promise to nominate a Black woman to the Supreme Court - AP-NORC

Although Biden’s pledge to nominate a Black woman to the Supreme Court does not resonate with the many, it is important to most Black Americans.

apnorc.org

 

[LostInSeattle]

Is this an honest take? I mean, it can't be, right? Kirk was talking about the doubt one might feel because of racial quotas. Full stop. It does NOT mean Kirk thinks black people are intrinsically not able to be qualified pilots. But you knew that didn't you? Hows your cognitive dissonance doing today?

Two problems: first, as already pointed out by other posters, pilots are not hired to fill racial quotas. That is a complete misrepresentation of DEI hiring, whose purpose is to make sure that equally qualified minority or female candidates are not bypassed because of their race/gender. So off the bat, he's spouting disinformation because there is no reason to feel doubt. It's a shibboleth.

Second, it reflects the notion that in the absence of DEI, there is no problem with hiring less qualified candidates, the presumption being that white males who are less qualified than their minority or female counterparts are never hired over those counterparts. That's exactly the problem that DEI attempts to address. It's one of the reasons why people say that being white and male is an advantage. Historically there has been an in ingrained presumption of superiority.

 

[Mika-El]

Nonsense.

No its not nonsense its a reality you ignore. You feel all people other than minorities were hired fairly and only minorities are not being hired unfairly/

The only thing nonsensical is your denial of the world you live in and you feel threatened by because you feel you no longer have privileges you want but think have been taken away from you.

Let me be clear. Your expressions on this board indicate you did not learn basic concepts in your education sustem as to comparative analysis and being able to see the infinite variations of grey density between your black and white beliefs. Your education failed to have you see in the environment around you there is disparity and variation and trying to block out anything that does not fit into your designated bubble of comfort and entitlement ultimately will fail you because if nothing else, as you sit in a hospital bed screaming for painkillers the person you depend on to deliver them was let go because of discriminatory hiring practices you support.

Zip over your head.

 

[NatMorton]

No its not nonsense its a reality you ignore. You feel all people other than minorities were hired fairly and only minorities are not being hired unfairly/

The only thing nonsensical is your denial of the world you live in and you feel threatened by because you feel you no longer have privileges you want but think have been taken away from you.

Let me be clear. Your expressions on this board indicate you did not learn basic concepts in your education sustem as to comparative analysis and being able to see the infinite variations of grey density between your black and white beliefs. Your education failed to have you see in the environment around you there is disparity and variation and trying to block out anything that does not fit into your designated bubble of comfort and entitlement ultimately will fail you because if nothing else, as you sit in a hospital bed screaming for painkillers the person you depend on to deliver them was let go because of discriminatory hiring practices you support.

Zip over your head.

A tip: if you're going to criticize what someone got from their "education sustem," it might carry a bit more sting if you did a better job proofreading and with sentence construction. If that penultimate sentence ran on any further it would itself be in need of painkillers.

Have a nice day.

 

[uptower]

this is 2025, not 1940

and hiring people BECAUSE they are black is just as bad as hiring people because they're white ... its racism, its discrimination

we don't need that

Not hiring them because they're black is also a problem and Kirk seemed to suggest doing that. At the very least he said he was suspicious because of their color. That was racist of him.

By quoting that you debunked hour own thread premise in post #1

 

[ttwtt78640]

Two problems: first, as already pointed out by other posters, pilots are not hired to fill racial quotas. That is a complete misrepresentation of DEI hiring, whose purpose is to make sure that equally qualified minority or female candidates are not bypassed because of their race/gender. So off the bat, he's spouting disinformation because there is no reason to feel doubt. It's a shibboleth.

Second, it reflects the notion that in the absence of DEI, there is no problem with hiring less qualified candidates, the presumption being that white males who are less qualified than their minority or female counterparts are never hired over those counterparts. That's exactly the problem that DEI attempts to address. It's one of the reasons why people say that being white and male is an advantage. Historically there has been an in ingrained presumption of superiority.

The following is what you denied:

Biden said in advance of the selection that he would select (nominate?) a black woman for the SCOTUS opening. That specifically eliminated consideration of other (not black and female) candidates.

I provided three links which prove that Biden’s campaign promise (made in advance of the SCOTUS opening) was to nominate only a black woman to fill the (first) SCOTUS opening.

If you keep denying reality your posts will be ignored by me.

 

[NatMorton]

Not hiring them because they're black is also a problem and Kirk seemed to suggest doing that. At the very least he said he was suspicious because of their color. That was racist of him.

Would it be racist if the given employer had a reputation for valuing diversity over professional competency?

 

[CSharp]

Two problems: first, as already pointed out by other posters, pilots are not hired to fill racial quotas. That is a complete misrepresentation of DEI hiring, whose purpose is to make sure that equally qualified minority or female candidates are not bypassed because of their race/gender. So off the bat, he's spouting disinformation because there is no reason to feel doubt. It's a shibboleth.

Second, it reflects the notion that in the absence of DEI, there is no problem with hiring less qualified candidates, the presumption being that white males who are less qualified than their minority or female counterparts are never hired over those counterparts. That's exactly the problem that DEI attempts to address. It's one of the reasons why people say that being white and male is an advantage. Historically there has been an in ingrained presumption of superiority.

First, I conceded the point as I didn't know. Airlines were hiring based on dei guidelines, I'll take you word for it that it didnt extend to pilots. It doesn't matter, the point is tangential at best. Questioning a pilots competence based on the possibility that they were a dei hire is natural if you don't know that practice does not extend to pilots. You would have the same reaction to a woman behind the controls. That doesn't mean that you believe, even on average, a woman is not capable of being a good pilot.

Your second point is nonsense. Airlines have a huge interest in putting the most qualified pilots in the **** pit. They wouldn't do otherwise unless compelled (by say, a corporate policy).

 

[CSharp]

Not hiring them because they're black is also a problem and Kirk seemed to suggest doing that. At the very least he said he was suspicious because of their color. That was racist of him.

By quoting that you debunked hour own thread premise in post #1

Being "suspicious" of someone who may have been hired based on something other than merit is not racist. Saying black people are not capable or dont have the same capacity to be good pilots would be. The difference is not really nuanced.

 

[HenryChinaski]

Being "suspicious" of someone who may have been hired based on something other than merit is not racist. Saying black people are not capable or dont have the same capacity to be good pilots would be. The difference is not really nuanced.

What reason is there to be suspicious that a black pilot was hired on something other than merit? No pilots are pilots for any other reason than merit. They’re ****ing pilots..

 

[CSharp]

What reason is there to be suspicious that a black pilot was hired on something other than merit? No pilots are pilots for any other reason than merit. They’re ****ing pilots..

Thats the ****ing definition of dei.

 

[HenryChinaski]

Thats the ****ing definition of dei.

Wrong and the only reason this thread exists is because Kirk was a master at pulling defective moves and misrepresenting things including DEI. If the guy was honest, he wouldn’t have had a career as a professional troll.

 

[KevinKohler]

Wrong and the only reason this thread exists is because Kirk was a master at pulling defective moves and misrepresenting things including DEI. If the guy was honest, he wouldn’t have had a career as a professional troll.

Yeah, cuz millions of people all around the world gathered to mourn the death of a troll.

 

[JoeB131]

And she — her daughter all of a sudden came home and said, I'm a boy. She said, what? And the whole assembly line, the conveyor belt was started to grind. They wanted to give her cross-sex hormones. They wanted to give her testosterone therapy. They wanted to cut off her breasts. They wanted to do all these sorts of things, and these doctors do this without any thought whatsoever. Yeah. Sure. Here's the script. Here's the clinic. Go here. Go for surgery. These doctors need to be put in prison quickly. We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately.

Full quote, for you.

and the context? A parents 7 year old daughter went through this. And these are the steps that these gender affirming care Dr's wanted to take.

So one doctor may or may not have shown poor judgement, so let's put the entire area of medical practice on trial? (gender affirming care, most of which goes to adults capable of making their own decisions.)

 

[KevinKohler]

So one doctor may or may not have shown poor judgement, so let's put the entire area of medical practice on trial? (gender affirming care, most of which goes to adults capable of making their own decisions.)

This was one story that made it to the limelight. How many more do you think there are?

How many priests need to rape children before you start to doubt the catholic clergy? 1? 2? 15? 30?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

But again, that stuff gets edited out.

Why?

Because its irrelevant.

 

[uptower]

Being "suspicious" of someone who may have been hired based on something other than merit is not racist. Saying black people are not capable or dont have the same capacity to be good pilots would be. The difference is not really nuanced.

Given no other reason than the person's color, what else are we supposed to think?

Kirk was neither the king of context, nor a master of nuance. He usually just shot from the hip and left those that support him online to retcon in a backstory to explain away his bigotry.

 

[uptower]

Would it be racist if the given employer had a reputation for valuing diversity over professional competency?

Was that demonstrably true in this case?

No need to move the goalpost, muddy the waters, or create hypotheticals. Was Kirk actually talking about an employer who overlooked competence in favor of color?

Sounds like what his words said to me. He distrusted black pilots.

 

[LostInSeattle]

First, I conceded the point as I didn't know. Airlines were hiring based on dei guidelines, I'll take you word for it that it didnt extend to pilots. It doesn't matter, the point is tangential at best. Questioning a pilots competence based on the possibility that they were a dei hire is natural if you don't know that practice does not extend to pilots. You would have the same reaction to a woman behind the controls. That doesn't mean that you believe, even on average, a woman is not capable of being a good pilot.

Your second point is nonsense. Airlines have a huge interest in putting the most qualified pilots in the **** pit. They wouldn't do otherwise unless compelled (by say, a corporate policy).

But it doesn't have anything to do with airlines specifically, other than that was the context Krik used to attack DEI. The very idea that hiring a female or non-white in any field is subject to scrutiny on its face, presumes that such a hire may be inferior because of their race/gender. Why would anyone presume that? Why would you presume that? Why would Kirk presume that?

This whole campaign against "DEI" is reveals how effectively right-wing propaganda has smeared a concept without defining it. Diversity initiatives generally are efforts not to overlook good candidates because of their race/cultural background/gender. That's all. It's not some huge conspiracy.