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Charlie Kirk murder suspect linked to crime scene evidence through DNA match, FBI director says

quip said:
Why's the (alleged) political motives of the shooter publicly, FBI press-conference worthy.....

Oh wait, we know why..
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Because politically motived assassinations are newsworthy?

The desire to make people in the United States afraid to speak out for fear of catching a bullet is kinda a big deal. Even a Ukrainan immigrant getting stabbed in the subway by a random criminal doesn't affect people the way shooting people for talking does.
 
Argent said:
"His family has collectively told investigators that he subscribed to left-wing ideology, and even more so in these last couple of years, and he had a text message exchange — he, the suspect, with another individual — in which he claimed that he had an opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and he was going to do it because of his hatred for what Charlie stood for, " the FBI director said.

The implication that left-wing ideology is what made him hate Kirk leaves no room to consider that he simply hated what Kirk stood for sans any influence from left or right ideology. This need to attach ideology to all actions ignores that people can and do make decisions based on personal experience and critical thinking.
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But this person had no personal experience with Kirk. If Kirk had slept with his girlfriend or stolen his lunch money or whatever, then ideology would only be secondary (in that it might encourage someone to commit violence based on being "wronged", whereas a different ideology would encourage being non violent.)

But since the alleged assassin had no personal experience with Kirk, we can begin to discuss how their ideology encouraged them to commit violence despite no personal wrong being done.

And in this case, the evidence and testimony points to left leaning ideology.
 
quip said:
They were

They were simply quoting Patel. Any comment on that?
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I guess I would submit the charging document filed by the county; no FBI evidence is mentioned. Maybe the DNA won't even be a thing at trial.
 
quip said:
What's this have to do with DNA?

Seems Patel's response was similarly premeditated ......on similar political grounds.
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Maybe.

But since his family and his internet history and his text messages and all other evidence has pointed to left leaning ideology, it is possible that these people were speaking of evidence they had seen but had not yet been publicly released.
 
TamleeB said:
He was identified by his own father. Now, there is DNA. You can deny the facts being presented, but it won’t change them.
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Two things can be true at the same time. Patel is more interested in clicks and social status than running the FBI with honesty and integrity.
 
Metric Mouse said:
Maybe.

But since his family and his internet history and his text messages and all other evidence has pointed to left leaning ideology, it is possible that these people were speaking of evidence they had seen but had not yet been publicly released.
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I haven’t seen any proof that he’s left leaning other than people who don’t believe you can be conservative and still be trans / gay. Care to share all this left leaning ideology?
 
The AntiDonald said:
Two things can be true at the same time. Patel is more interested in clicks and social status than running the FBI with honesty and integrity.
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And I repeat.
He was identified by his own father. Now, there is DNA. You can deny the facts being presented, but it won’t change them.
Facts matter
 
TangoNoCash said:
I haven’t seen any proof that he’s left leaning other than people who don’t believe you can be conservative and still be trans / gay. Care to share all this left leaning ideology?
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“The fuller evidence we now have suggests Robinson held liberal views.

In addition to criticizing Kirk for allegedly spreading hate, the charging documents say Robinson’s mother “explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left – becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented.”

The documents also say Robinson had “several” political discussions with family members, especially his father, and that the two of them “have very different political views.”
 
TamleeB said:
And I repeat.
He was identified by his own father. Now, there is DNA. You can deny the facts being presented, but it won’t change them.
Facts matter
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Where did I deny the facts? You are insinuating that I am trying to protect this loon. I am not. All I pointed out is the incompetence of Patel. This has nothing to do with the facts in the case. Patel went out of his way to take credit for so much of this guy's capture when in reality, he had nothing to do with it, nor did the FBI. He needs to learn when to STFU.

I'll repeat, two things can be true at the same time.
 
TamleeB said:
“The fuller evidence we now have suggests Robinson held liberal views.

In addition to criticizing Kirk for allegedly spreading hate, the charging documents say Robinson’s mother “explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left – becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented.”

The documents also say Robinson had “several” political discussions with family members, especially his father, and that the two of them “have very different political views.”
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I was not asking for suggested. I’m asking for real evidence. I also said that being gay isn’t evidence which you just did. The documents you suggest might be be acceptable. So where are they? I haven’t seen anything tangible and you did absolutely nothing to change that so thanks for nothing I guess.
 
TangoNoCash said:
I haven’t seen any proof that he’s left leaning other than people who don’t believe you can be conservative and still be trans / gay. Care to share all this left leaning ideology?
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I was reading an article yesterday that discussed the impacts of the dark WEB on young men. They become obsessed with certain sites and it consumes their identity. Often these users live to impress those they are interacting with through extreme acts. It cited a mass murderer that was consumed by his online persona and also the young man who stole military secrets and then bragged and showed them on-line. There is significant evidence in this case that the shooter was consumed by the WEB especially violent gaming. It will be interesting to see if any of this plays in to his motive.
 
Callen said:
I was reading an article yesterday that discussed the impacts of the dark WEB on young men. They become obsessed with certain sites and it consumes their identity. Often these users live to impress those they are interacting with through extreme acts. It cited a mass murderer that was consumed by his online persona and also the young man who stole military secrets and then bragged and showed them on-line. There is significant evidence in this case that the shooter was consumed by the WEB especially violent gaming. It will be interesting to see if any of this plays in to his motive.
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Guess we’ll have to wait.
 
Who cares who shot who as long as ................?
 
TangoNoCash said:
I was not asking for suggested. I’m asking for real evidence. I also said that being gay isn’t evidence which you just did. The documents you suggest might be be acceptable. So where are they? I haven’t seen anything tangible and you did absolutely nothing to change that so thanks for nothing I guess.
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First, I never said you couldn’t be gay or trans and be a Republican. Of course there are gay and trans Republicans. 🤷‍♀️
 
TamleeB said:
First, I never said you couldn’t be gay or trans and be a Republican. Of course there are gay and trans Republicans. 🤷‍♀️
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Fabulous. I agree. Too many don’t based on the rhetoric. I do look forward to honest analysis of why he did what he did. Not sure if we are ever gonna get that.
 
Moon said:
He did. They detained two individuals early on that they questioned and released. Patel made an announcement on X that they had caught the shooter, but he was released shortly after. It was a dumb error.
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It’s almost like they live in an entirely different world.

Oh, wait…

They do.

The one their media tells them they live in.
 
TangoNoCash said:
Fabulous. I agree. Too many don’t based on the rhetoric. I do look forward to honest analysis of why he did what he did. Not sure if we are ever gonna get that.
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I have never stated exactly WHY he did what he did. Merely mentioned that he was living with his trans partner, his fingerprints were on the trigger of the weapon used to politically assassinate Kirk and his parents provided pertinent information, as well as other relatives. And the text messages between Tyler and Lance have been released and are very damning.
He will get his day in court, which is far better than what Charlie Kirk got.
 
Metric Mouse said:
For sure. Fair point.

Which non-right wing ideology did Kirk stand for that might have made him a target?

If the shooter hated him, but supported right whing ideology, which of those did the person who was dating and living with a transgendered person feel was so awful that assassination was the answer?

I think you might be stretching...
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If somebody decided your loved one was a subhuman that should have no rights I would not expect you as a human being to love that person.

From what we know he wasn’t particularly political but was in a relationship with a trans person. And Kirk, as a Christian nationalist was not a fan of transgender people and said shitty things about them. (I haven’t seen them. But I’ve seen his schtick, a LOT, and it will be the same as every other MAGA influencer due to the repetition boost to credibility without any other support that MAGA persuaders rely on. Feel free to prove me wrong.)
 
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