Charges Sought Against Rumsfeld Over Prison Abuse (1 Viewer)

[hipsterdufus]

Hmmm. This ought to be interesting.

A lawsuit in Germany will seek a criminal prosecution of the outgoing Defense Secretary and other U.S. officials for their alleged role in abuses at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1557842,00.html

 

[Stinger]

Hmmm. This ought to be interesting.


http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1557842,00.html

Do you believe countries who are suppose to be our allies should be inedicting our heads of government for official acts? I think that can be interpreted as an act of war, do you really think Germany should be doing such things?

And where do you think they get the fodder for this, try the MMS and the left/Dems here. What a great way to build the support of other countries, demogog our leaders here so other countries do things such as this.

 

[1069]

Do you believe countries who are suppose to be our allies should be inedicting our heads of government for official acts?

No, I believe we ought to be doing it ourselves.
But since we aren't, I guess it's a good thing somebody's willing to step up to the plate.

 

[Nexus]

I've been doing a little research on this. (another thread on this somewhere) Germany did not initiate this, the Center for Constitutional Rights initiated it. This group was founded by pro-Castro radicals Morton Stavis, Ben Smith, Arthur Kinoy, and William Kunstler, longtime members of the Communist and radical left.

A link to their website and the article.

http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/reports/report.asp?ObjID=IHUf2jK257&Content=888

 

[Binary_Digit]

Do you believe countries who are suppose to be our allies should be inedicting our heads of government for official acts?

I thought he resigned...

No, I believe we ought to be doing it ourselves.
But since we aren't, I guess it's a good thing somebody's willing to step up to the plate.

Our new Congress hasn't had a chance yet, but it's on the agenda to investigate this and other issues.

 

[jfuh]

And where do you think they get the fodder for this, try the MMS and the left/Dems here. What a great way to build the support of other countries, demogog our leaders here so other countries do things such as this.

Prove this bullshit lie.

 

[Stinger]

Prove this bullshit lie.

Can the language and rebut what I posted.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Do you believe countries who are suppose to be our allies should be inedicting our heads of government for official acts? I think that can be interpreted as an act of war, do you really think Germany should be doing such things?

So, are you saying that we should invade Germany?

 

[Billo_Really]

Rumsfield should get life in prison without the possibility of parole!

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I've been doing a little research on this. (another thread on this somewhere) Germany did not initiate this, the Center for Constitutional Rights initiated it. This group was founded by pro-Castro radicals Morton Stavis, Ben Smith, Arthur Kinoy, and William Kunstler, longtime members of the Communist and radical left.

A link to their website and the article.

http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/reports/report.asp?ObjID=IHUf2jK257&Content=888

No but the German prosecutors have taken the case which is just as bad, they selected Germany for a reason it has something to do with international war crimes cases being able to be tried in their court system.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Prove this bullshit lie.

Was Rumsfeld a guard at Gitmo or Guantanamoe? Did he order anyone to commit those acts seen in the pictures? Do you know of any evidence to prove that he condoned, ordered, or in any way aided in said activity? This case is baseless and needs to be thrown out.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by jfuh
Prove this bullshit lie.

You had to ask, didn't you?

Now we have to buckle up, for the data dump!

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

No, I believe we ought to be doing it ourselves.
But since we aren't, I guess it's a good thing somebody's willing to step up to the plate.

The people responsible for the actions have been prosecuted this is an anti-American publicity stunt initiated by the enemies of the United States and the international left.

Lemme ask you something do you support the ICC (International Criminal Court)?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Rumsfield should get life in prison without the possibility of parole!

And you should be hung for treason. Do you support the International Criminal Court as well?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by TOT:
And you should be hung for treason. Do you support the International Criminal Court as well?

As a matter of fact, I do. I don't believe in living by two sets of standards. Door swings both ways in my world. I conciously try to limit my hypocrisy to a minimum. You should try it sometime.

 

[TurtleDude]

Do you believe countries who are suppose to be our allies should be inedicting our heads of government for official acts? I think that can be interpreted as an act of war, do you really think Germany should be doing such things?

And where do you think they get the fodder for this, try the MMS and the left/Dems here. What a great way to build the support of other countries, demogog our leaders here so other countries do things such as this.

NO subject matter juridiction
No Personal Jurisdiction
an Invasion of US sovereignty

IF they take Rumsfeld we should send assassination teams to take out the judge and the prosecutor and any other person who was involved

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Turtledude:
NO subject matter juridiction
No Personal Jurisdiction
an Invasion of US sovereignty

IF they take Rumsfeld we should send assassination teams to take out the judge and the prosecutor and any other person who was involved

So you believe in proliferating American hypocrisy?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

As a matter of fact, I do. I don't believe in living by two sets of standards. Door swings both ways in my world. I conciously try to limit my hypocrisy to a minimum. You should try it sometime.

Oh ok you think that American service men/women should be tried by an international court comprised of despots and tyrants. You no what I got to say about that? Any government official of the U.S. who gets something like that passed and put into law should be shot as a traitor to the republic!!!

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

So you believe in proliferating American hypocrisy?

How the fuc/k is it hypocritical for the U.S. to want to retain its sovereignty we have never supported the court? How the hell can you support the servicemen and women of the U.S. military being tried infront of a court comprised of despots and tyrants. You position borders on the treasonous.

 

[Gardener]

And you should be hung

Trajan, Trajan, Trajan -- Billo would like that, too, but unfortunately, some things just aren't in the cards.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by TOT:
Oh ok you think that American service men/women should be tried by an international court comprised of despots and tyrants. You no what I got to say about that? Any government official of the U.S. who gets something like that passed and put into law should be shot as a traitor to the republic!!!

I would think that court, like any other, would make sure the jurists were not made up of special interests. In this case, America haters.

I think it is worse to say we do not have to answer to world opinion and shall conduct ourselves in that manner. That is what the Nazi's did! That is what the Roman Empire did! I want to think we are better than that.

 

[TurtleDude]

So you believe in proliferating American hypocrisy?

I believe in the ruthless destruction of those who violate our rights and our sovereignty

 

[TurtleDude]

Trajan, Trajan, Trajan -- Billo would like that, too, but unfortunately, some things just aren't in the cards.

LOL. Billo the bugboinker:mrgreen:

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I would think that court, like any other, would make sure the jurists were not made up of special interests. In this case, America haters.

Find a country that fits that definition American troops are stationed all over the world and anti-Americanism is rampant throughout that world as well as in the U.N. itself. You support a grave breach of the United States Constitution in that the ratification of this treaty would create a superior court to the SCOTUS. Never will the U.S. grant sovereignty of our military personnel to a foreign entity and if this somehow does pass in the Dem congress it is a call to arms for any Patriotic American!!!

I think it is worse to say we do not have to answer to world opinion and shall conduct ourselves in that manner. That is what the Nazi's did! That is what the Roman Empire did! I want to think we are better than that.

We do not have to answer to the world the world has to answer to us!!!

 

[Hatuey]

Oh ok you think that American service men/women should be tried by an international court comprised of despots and tyrants. You no what I got to say about that? Any government official of the U.S. who gets something like that passed and put into law should be shot as a traitor to the republic!!!

TOT for somebody who doesnt use the word traitor lightly you sure do throw it around alot.