Change the voting age?

[Dittohead not!]

Agree with the basic sentiment, but you do realize that there is no draft, right?

Only because America isn't great enough yet.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Letting them vote does nothing to make them grow up lol...

Sure it does, when you vote your study the candidates and you study politics. Whenever an election comes up the schools start to really teach the students all about voting and all about the candidates. Most schools even have mock ballots. No doubt you voted in mock ballots when you were in school. When I was 16 I knew I would've voted for Clinton if I could vote and I was glad when he won, this was before I knew what kind of President he would be and before I knew he was such a schmuck.

 

[DebateChallenge]

That should change. Women want to be equal, we should make it so.

So are you saying that when women got the voting right they should've been eligible for the draft too? Should Susan B. Anthony have been drafted?

As to the 16 year old thing, its not very often, and the crime has to be heinous. I'm talking, 16 year olds in jail for petty theft, mild vandalism, possession. Etc. They are NOT tried as adults in those situations.

I can agree with you on that but the fact of the matter is its happening more and more, people under the age of 18 are being tried and convicted as adults and its not just for really heinous crimes such as murder.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Try having kids first, before deciding how fast or slow they should "grow up".

All too often its the children themselves, not the parents, that control how fast they grow up, at least with older children it is. Younger children perhaps not so much.

 

[DebateChallenge]

You open the door wide to discrimination, and allegations of such.

Well age discrimination is a form of discrimination itself.

 

[DebateChallenge]

And they still lost the last election.

Yes, and they sure didn't handle it very well.

 

[DebateChallenge]

So you would encourage their independence in some things but limit it in others, according to your own judgment.

How is that different from what is not happening?

How is it different? Here's how. Whether or not a person is allowed to do certain stuff should not be based on their age.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Of course, leftists want an ignorant electorate to raid the treasury at the ballot box. At one time only landowners could vote. How about we lower the voting age to eight and offer free candy if a certain candidate wins?

Where would we get the candy? Who would pay for it?

 

[DebateChallenge]

Have you looked at gender sentencing disparities? The new mantra should be "Equal time for equal crimes."

I agree but Im not aware of any differences in sentences based on gender if two people of different genders commit identical crimes.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Current voting age is fine.

The ones who are tide pod eating condom snorters don’t impact things that much.

And how about people who are well above the voting age who eat tide pods and snort condoms?

 

[DebateChallenge]

Only because America isn't great enough yet.

Donald Trump will change that. Making America great that is. Whether that involves putting in place a draft I don't know.

 

[gulfman]

What bothers me about lowering the voting age to 16 is that you would have politicians hanging around high schools for votes and not being able to control their carnal needs.

 

[roguenuke]

On the contrary there should be no age for adulthood. People should be allowed to do stuff when they're ready, not when they're "old enough."

There is no way to fairly judge that though. Which means that you wouldn't know who can take care of themselves or needs their parents to do so without giving everyone a test of some sort, which can be wrong. The best we have right now is to set it at an age for when the majority can be seen to no longer need their parents to support them. That age may be too high, but it works for most because it is also when most people in most modern societies finish their basic schooling. It is an arbitrary age, but unless/until someone comes up with something better, it is as fair as we can get it.

 

[roguenuke]

Donald Trump will change that. Making America great that is. Whether that involves putting in place a draft I don't know.

What does this even mean? Why would we need to enact a draft exactly?

 

[roguenuke]

Mentally and physiologically, human beings are not fully adults at the age of 18. Adulthood at that age is a social construct, based, I suspect, on the necessity of some of them being soldiers at that age.

It makes more sense for adult level rights and responsibilities to be granted a few at a time: Driver's license at 16, voting at 18, able to purchase alcohol at 21, that's status quo in most states anyway.

It is only a very recent event though (most alcohol ages to 21 were enacted in the 70s), and parents in at least some states can legally allow their children to drink alcohol, give them permission. Yet those who are 18-20 living on their own, paying their own way in life are not allowed that choice. Heck, in some states, even your of age spouse can legally purchase alcohol for you.

 

[Arjay81]

How is it different? Here's how. Whether or not a person is allowed to do certain stuff should not be based on their age.

So a two year old should be allowed to make their own decisions and be legally supported for doing so?

 

[Arjay81]

Yes, and they sure didn't handle it very well.

Which is why they are supporting changing the electorate to show more support for their cause.

 

[roguenuke]

I knew this would be the response, which is why I said chance. A 16 year old hasn't had the chance yet, there for, should not be treated the same as adults, who had the chance, whether utilized or not.

Cigarettes are bad for you, but they don't stunt development.

Actually, it does.

https://www.livestrong.com/article/216947-does-smoking-cigarettes-stunt-growth/

A study funded by the Canadian Cancer Society determined that smoking stunts height and BMI in boys. BMI, or body mass index, measures body fat based upon height and weight. Boys who smoked 10 cigarettes a day between the ages of 12 and 17 grew about 1 inch shorter than nonsmoking boys. Smoking’s effect on BMI and height means that a boy who smokes as a teenager will have a significantly smaller adult stature than his non-smoking piers.

And chronic alcohol consumption stunts brain development. There is no evidence that responsible drinking (a drink a day or less) does so.

https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh283/125-132.htm

Binge drinking is the biggest problem. And that happens when they see others, including family members and/or peers drinking heavily and glorifying getting drunk rather than showing drinking alcohol as simply having a casual drink with a meal, as a once a day or less thing.

 

[Arjay81]

Only because America isn't great enough yet.

There was a draft in the past and it was discarded as not being necessary yet you seem to think it is still needed. An impressed military does not make a nation great.

 

[DebateChallenge]

What does this even mean? Why would we need to enact a draft exactly?

Since we're not at any war right now that's of such magnitude as to need a draft, we don't need a draft right now. If we ever are at such a war sometime in the future than the draft would come into effect.

 

[Arjay81]

Thank you for answering your own question. :lol:

So, as usual, you dodge and deflect when proven wrong. At least you are consistent.

 

[DebateChallenge]

So a two year old should be allowed to make their own decisions and be legally supported for doing so?

If the two year old is ready for that, yes, although I've never known of any two year old who is ready for that sort of stuff.

 

[roguenuke]

minors are not allowed to join the military should we change that too

Actually, you can join at 17, if your parents sign permission for you to go in. I did. Both my parents had to sign for me to go in (although I didn't actually go to bootcamp until a week after I turned 18, but that was due to my choice not the Navy saying I couldn't, the first day they offered was 3 months before I turned 18, I graduated when I was 17).

 

[DebateChallenge]

Which is why they are supporting changing the electorate to show more support for their cause.

We need the electorate, without it certain states such as CA would have an unfair advantage.

 

[Bodi]

So, as usual, you dodge and deflect when proven wrong. At least you are consistent.

There was nothing to be proven wrong... :lol: