Celebrating Nazi Collaborators Is Literally Playing Into Putin’s Hands

[Tigerace117]

“ Ukraine's parliament has officially designated the birthday of a prominent Nazi collaborator as a national holiday, while also banning a book that criticized another anti-Semitic national leader. January 1 has now been set aside in the country to remember Stepan Bandera, the Jewish Telegraph Agency reported Thursday. Bandera was a Ukrainian nationalist who joined forces with the German Nazis during World War II because he believed that they would help his country gain independence from the now defunct Soviet Union. However, he was later also targeted and arrested by the Nazis.

The Ukrainian city of Lviv, which was the nationalist's home city, also announced this month that next year would be "Stepan Bandera Year," a move criticized by Israel. Earlier in December, Ukraine's State Committee on Television and Radio Broadcasting banned Swedish historian Anders Rydell's Book of Thieves. The book critically analyzed the actions of Ukrainian nationalist Symon Petliura, whose forces killed large numbers of Jews in the early 20th century. Petilura was later killed by a Russian-born Jew in Paris in 1929.

On December 17, Ukraine voted against a United Nations General Assembly resolution that aimed to combat the "glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance," according to Tass news agency. The United States also voted against the measure, although 129 nations supported the move.“

Ukraine Makes Birthday of Nazi Collaborator a Holiday

Stepan Bandera was a Ukrainian nationalist who joined forces with the German Nazis during World War II because he believed that they would help his country gain independence from the now defunct Soviet Union.

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And, more recently.....

“ Hundreds of Ukrainian nationalists held a torchlight march in the capital of Kyiv to mark the birthday of Stepan Bandera, the leader of a rebel militia that fought alongside Nazi soldiers in World War II.

The Sunday march came amid persistently high concerns over Russia’s massing of troops near the Ukrainian border, which many believe could be a prelude to an invasion. A large sector of eastern Ukraine has been under the control of Russia-backed separatist rebels since 2014.

“Today, when there is a war with the occupier at the front, and the struggle against the ‘fifth column’ continues in the rear, we remember and honor the memory of Stepan Bandera,” said Andriy Tarasenko, leader of the nationalist party Right Sector.

“ Expressions of admiration for Bandera and other collaborators have increased in scope and status following the 2014 revolution in Ukraine, which toppled the regime of Viktor Yanukovych amid claims that he is a Russian stooge, and triggered an armed conflict with Russia.”

“ The veneration of Nazi collaborators, including killers of Jews, is a growing phenomenon in Eastern Europe, where many consider such individuals as heroes because they resisted Soviet Communism.”

Hundreds of Ukrainian nationalists march in honor of Nazi collaborator

Stepan Bandera led Ukrainian Insurgent Army, which fought alongside Nazi Germany during WWII, killing thousands of Jews and Poles

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Given Putin’s rhetoric, celebrating Nazi collaborators like Stepan Bandera and other OUN leaders— who were responsible for the murders of tens of thousands of Poles in Galicia, as well as complicity in carrying out the Holocaust itself— is, quite literally, playing into Russia’s hands. As is allowing Neo Nazi paramilitaries full state backing, for that matter.

This article provides an interesting explanation as to why celebrating collaborators has become so widespread.

Why Are So Many Eastern Europeans Suddenly Celebrating Nazi Collaborators? | Essay | Zócalo Public Square

When is a hero not really a hero? When a country resurrects a tainted figure to serve the needs of a new national mythology. Consider the case of Latvian

www.zocalopublicsquare.org

 

[graymatter]

“ Ukraine's parliament has officially designated the birthday of a prominent Nazi collaborator as a national holiday, while also banning a book that criticized another anti-Semitic national leader. January 1 has now been set aside in the country to remember Stepan Bandera, the Jewish Telegraph Agency reported Thursday. Bandera was a Ukrainian nationalist who joined forces with the German Nazis during World War II because he believed that they would help his country gain independence from the now defunct Soviet Union. However, he was later also targeted and arrested by the Nazis.

The Ukrainian city of Lviv, which was the nationalist's home city, also announced this month that next year would be "Stepan Bandera Year," a move criticized by Israel. Earlier in December, Ukraine's State Committee on Television and Radio Broadcasting banned Swedish historian Anders Rydell's Book of Thieves. The book critically analyzed the actions of Ukrainian nationalist Symon Petliura, whose forces killed large numbers of Jews in the early 20th century. Petilura was later killed by a Russian-born Jew in Paris in 1929.

On December 17, Ukraine voted against a United Nations General Assembly resolution that aimed to combat the "glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance," according to Tass news agency. The United States also voted against the measure, although 129 nations supported the move.“

Ukraine Makes Birthday of Nazi Collaborator a Holiday

Stepan Bandera was a Ukrainian nationalist who joined forces with the German Nazis during World War II because he believed that they would help his country gain independence from the now defunct Soviet Union.

www.newsweek.com

And, more recently.....

“ Hundreds of Ukrainian nationalists held a torchlight march in the capital of Kyiv to mark the birthday of Stepan Bandera, the leader of a rebel militia that fought alongside Nazi soldiers in World War II.

The Sunday march came amid persistently high concerns over Russia’s massing of troops near the Ukrainian border, which many believe could be a prelude to an invasion. A large sector of eastern Ukraine has been under the control of Russia-backed separatist rebels since 2014.

“Today, when there is a war with the occupier at the front, and the struggle against the ‘fifth column’ continues in the rear, we remember and honor the memory of Stepan Bandera,” said Andriy Tarasenko, leader of the nationalist party Right Sector.

“ Expressions of admiration for Bandera and other collaborators have increased in scope and status following the 2014 revolution in Ukraine, which toppled the regime of Viktor Yanukovych amid claims that he is a Russian stooge, and triggered an armed conflict with Russia.”

“ The veneration of Nazi collaborators, including killers of Jews, is a growing phenomenon in Eastern Europe, where many consider such individuals as heroes because they resisted Soviet Communism.”

Hundreds of Ukrainian nationalists march in honor of Nazi collaborator

Stepan Bandera led Ukrainian Insurgent Army, which fought alongside Nazi Germany during WWII, killing thousands of Jews and Poles

www.timesofisrael.com

Given Putin’s rhetoric, celebrating Nazi collaborators like Stepan Bandera and other OUN leaders— who were responsible for the murders of tens of thousands of Poles in Galicia, as well as complicity in carrying out the Holocaust itself— is, quite literally, playing into Russia’s hands. As is allowing Neo Nazi paramilitaries full state backing, for that matter.

This article provides an interesting explanation as to why celebrating collaborators has become so widespread.

Why Are So Many Eastern Europeans Suddenly Celebrating Nazi Collaborators? | Essay | Zócalo Public Square

When is a hero not really a hero? When a country resurrects a tainted figure to serve the needs of a new national mythology. Consider the case of Latvian

www.zocalopublicsquare.org

Between Lenin and Stalin, I have heard estimates of Ukrainians who died at the hands of Russian Bolsheviks to range from over 3 million to over 16 million. And the 16 million number is probably closer to the truth. Because dead men tell no tales. To the Ukrainians, the Nazis weren't invaders. They were saviours! Anybody who doesn't support the Nazis supports Putin! Also, the holocaust is a hoax. Deal with it.

 

[Tigerace117]

Between Lenin and Stalin, I have heard estimates of Ukrainians who died at the hands of Russian Bolsheviks to range from over 3 million to over 16 million. And the 16 million number is probably closer to the truth. Because dead men tell no tales. To the Ukrainians, the Nazis weren't invaders. They were saviours! Anybody who doesn't support the Nazis supports Putin! Also, the holocaust is a hoax. Deal with it.

Considering that the Germans were actively planning to starve millions upon millions of Ukrainians to death

“ The perceived grain surpluses of Ukraine figured particularly prominently in the vision of a "self-sufficient" Germany. Hitler himself had stated in August 1939 that Germany needed "the Ukraine, in order that no one is able to starve us again as in the last war".[5]: 56  Ukraine did not produce enough grain for export to solve Germany's problems.[6] Scooping off the agricultural surplus in Ukraine for the purpose of feeding the Reich called for:

annihilation of what the German régime perceived as a superfluous population (Jews, and the population of Ukrainian large cities such as Kiev, which received no supplies at all);[7]
extreme reduction of rations for Ukrainians in the remaining cities; and
reduction in foodstuffs consumed by the farming population.[1]”

Hunger Plan - Wikipedia

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The idea that they were somehow “saviors” is laughable.

Go crawl back to Stormfront.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Also, the holocaust is a hoax. Deal with it.

We got a live one here.

 

[graymatter]

Considering that the Germans were actively planning to starve millions upon millions of Ukrainians to death

“ The perceived grain surpluses of Ukraine figured particularly prominently in the vision of a "self-sufficient" Germany. Hitler himself had stated in August 1939 that Germany needed "the Ukraine, in order that no one is able to starve us again as in the last war".[5]: 56  Ukraine did not produce enough grain for export to solve Germany's problems.[6] Scooping off the agricultural surplus in Ukraine for the purpose of feeding the Reich called for:

annihilation of what the German régime perceived as a superfluous population (Jews, and the population of Ukrainian large cities such as Kiev, which received no supplies at all);[7]
extreme reduction of rations for Ukrainians in the remaining cities; and
reduction in foodstuffs consumed by the farming population.[1]”

Hunger Plan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The idea that they were somehow “saviors” is laughable.

Go crawl back to Stormfront.

I wonder what other lies you can parrot. History is written by the victors. It is sustained by suckers. Maybe you would care to laugh this off. It wasn't the Nazis that were responsible for it.

 

[Hamish Howl]

So "new" dude is basically a neo-Nazi?

 

[graymatter]

We got a live one here.

It has been said that the bigger the lie, the more likely people are to believe it. Would you like the truth? (If it were allowed to be spoken)

 

[Hamish Howl]

It has been said that the bigger the lie, the more likely people are to believe it. Would you like the truth? (If it were allowed to be spoken)

Your posts are very Millenialist. If you know what I mean. And I think you do.

 

[Tigerace117]

I wonder what other lies you can parrot. History is written by the victors. It is sustained by suckers. Maybe you would care to laugh this off. It wasn't the Nazis that were responsible for it.

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Not sure where you are getting SIXTEEN million from

Holodomor

Teaser here

cla.umn.edu

Since the most detailed estimates place the death toll at roughly between four million and seven million(and that’s the higher end estimate).

Your whining is especially funny because weather Allies captured literally tens of thousands of documents detailing the Germans’ plans and efforts to exterminate the “undesirables”. The Nazis’ own admissions damned them.

 

[graymatter]

So "new" dude is basically a neo-Nazi?

Yeah, sucker. Let me introduce you to another.

Not sure where you are getting SIXTEEN million from

Holodomor

Teaser here

cla.umn.edu

Since the most detailed estimates place the death toll at roughly between four million and seven million(and that’s the higher end estimate).

Your whining is especially funny because weather Allies captured literally tens of thousands of documents detailing the Germans’ plans and efforts to exterminate the “undesirables”. The Nazis’ own admissions damned them.

Do you have nothing better to do than to parrot history written by the victors? Give this site a try.

history.answers.com › military-history › How_manyHow many people died in the holodomor? - Answers

 

[Hamish Howl]

Yeah, sucker. Let me introduce you to another.

Holocaust deniers are all the same, and aren't worth listening to.

 

[Tigerace117]

Yeah, sucker. Let me introduce you to another.

Do you have nothing better to do than to parrot history written by the victors? Give this site a try.

history.answers.com › military-history › How_manyHow many people died in the holodomor? - Answers

To Patton, the “wrong side” is any side that wanted a war to end. The man literally wasn’t happy unless he was fighting.

By the way, an “answers.com” response that doesn’t actually provide any sourcing for its claims is not evidence of anything. It’s literally someone declaring that over twenty million people died because err, they heard stories about it. Do you have an actual ACADEMIC source? Because otherwise, we can safely dismiss it as a massive exaggeration.

As I already explained to you, it was the GERMANS’ own statements which damned them. That’s like, the exact opposite of “history being written by the victors”.

 

[Fledermaus]

“ Ukraine's parliament has officially designated the birthday of a prominent Nazi collaborator as a national holiday, while also banning a book that criticized another anti-Semitic national leader. January 1 has now been set aside in the country to remember Stepan Bandera, the Jewish Telegraph Agency reported Thursday. Bandera was a Ukrainian nationalist who joined forces with the German Nazis during World War II because he believed that they would help his country gain independence from the now defunct Soviet Union. However, he was later also targeted and arrested by the Nazis.

Focusing on the fraction of a percentage of Neo Nazis at this time "Is Literally Playing Into Putin’s Hands"

 

[Tigerace117]

Gee, and for those wondering how many of those collaborators escaping justice for years.....

The answer is that the West helped them. Much like useful idiots today defend the Azov thugs, in fact.

“ Historian Karel Berkhoff, among others, has shown that Bandera, his deputies, and the Nazis shared a key obsession, namely the notion that the Jews in Ukraine were behind Communism and Stalinist imperialism and must be destroyed. “The Jews of the Soviet Union,” read a Banderist statement, “are the most loyal supporters of the Bolshevik Regime and the vanguard of Muscovite imperialism in the Ukraine.” When the Germans invaded the USSR in June 1941 and captured the East Galician capital of Lvov, Bandera’s lieutenants issued a declaration of independence in his name. They further promised to work closely with Hitler, then helped to launch a pogrom that killed four thousand Lvov Jews in a few days, using weapons ranging from guns to metal poles. “We will lay your heads at Hitler’s feet,” a Banderist pamphlet proclaimed to Ukrainian Jews.”

But the rest of the story, much of which is revealed in CIA records released in 2007, reveals irony in Yushchenko’s award. After the war Bandera lived in Munich. British intelligence used him to help run agents into Ukraine to gather intelligence and to help the Ukrainian underground against the Soviets. The CIA used some of Bandera’s former cronies for similar reasons, but never used Bandera himself, owing to Bandera’s infatuation with his own legend. “Bandera,” said one CIA report from 1948, “is by nature a political intransigent of great personal ambition [who] has…opposed all political organizations in the emigration which favor a representative form of government in the Ukraine, as opposed to a mono-party, OUN/Bandera regime.”

“ Owing to his self-promotion in print and on West German radio, Bandera remained popular with thousands of Ukrainian émigrés in West Germany. His superficial effectiveness prompted West German intelligence (the BND) to establish contact in 1956. By 1959 the BND was helping Bandera to run a new generation of Ukrainian agents from West Germany into the USSR. General Reinhard Gehlen, the head of the BND, had lead German Army intelligence in the USSR during the war. He and his subordinates were surely familiar with Bandera’s wartime record. They were less familiar with the fact that the BND was by now thoroughly penetrated with Soviet agents. On October 14, 1959, Bandera had lunch with senior BND officials to discuss the expansion of operations in Ukraine. The next day the KGB assassinated Bandera in his apartment building.”

“ It is a sad comment on Ukrainian memory that the man declared a Hero of Ukraine in January headed a movement that was deeply involved in the Holocaust. It is more gratifying to know that by the time of Stepan Bandera’s death, most Ukrainian leaders had long rejected him as a dangerous charlatan who harmed his own cause. By the time of his death, Bandera was reduced to dancing with the Cold War’s most compromised intelligence agency, where the Soviets could watch his every move. Those who label him a hero today, in other words, are as foolish as they are offensive.”

Who Was Stepan Bandera? | History News Network

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“Foolish as they are offensive” sums up Azov’s defenders quite well as well.