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Pope is human---a vicar of Christ on Earth, but human. He is a guide, inspired guide for the church. It is the members of the church who are having the issuesIt seems like there are a lot of self-described Catholics who dislike the Pope, believe he has erred in matters of church message, or openly reject church doctrine. Right now it's mostly hardliners who think Pope Francis is too soft, but it applied equally to progressives who thought Pope Benedict was a thousand years behind the times.
As a non-Catholic, I don't really understand this mindset. Isn't the whole core of being a Catholic (as opposed to some other type of Christian) that you believe the Pope derives his authority directly from Jesus, who appointed St Peter and passed that authority all the way down to the current Pope? How is it even possible to be Catholic if you think the Pope (and by extension, Jesus) makes doctrinal mistakes? And isn't it rather presumptuous to think you understand your religion better than Jesus's hand-picked ambassador to humanity?
I'm not looking for a nasty argument, I just want to understand this perspective better.
I don't get it, either...why remain a member of any org. that goes against your beliefs? I would get out yesterday...
I do not...Your beliefs? You get your beliefs from them.
It seems like there are a lot of self-described Catholics who dislike the Pope, believe he has erred in matters of church message, or openly reject church doctrine. Right now it's mostly hardliners who think Pope Francis is too soft, but it applied equally to progressives who thought Pope Benedict was a thousand years behind the times.
As a non-Catholic, I don't really understand this mindset. Isn't the whole core of being a Catholic (as opposed to some other type of Christian) that you believe the Pope derives his authority directly from Jesus, who appointed St Peter and passed that authority all the way down to the current Pope? How is it even possible to be Catholic if you think the Pope (and by extension, Jesus) makes doctrinal mistakes? And isn't it rather presumptuous to think you understand your religion better than Jesus's hand-picked ambassador to humanity?
I'm not looking for a nasty argument, I just want to understand this perspective better.
I do not...
My beliefs come from the Bible, not some man made doctrine...there is no trinity in the Bible, no immortal soul, no hellfire...Yes, you do.
My beliefs come from the Bible, not some man made doctrine...there is no trinity in the Bible, no immortal soul, no hellfire...
Yeah, we don't do pagan garbage...No, your beliefs come from those who started your religion in the 1800's in the US. They tell you how to interpret the bible. For example, nowhere in the bible does god explicitly forbid celebrating birthdays. Only your particular religion believes that due to their reading into the bible something that is clearly not there.
Yeah, we don't do pagan garbage...
No, I get my beliefs from the Bible, which directly condemns mixing Christian beliefs with pagan beliefs...there are only 2 birthday celebrations mentioned in the Bible and they are both pagan...Thanks for admitting I am correct. You get your beliefs from your religion, not directly from the bible. They tell you what they think the bible says. It says nothing about celebrating birthdays
No, I get my beliefs from the Bible, which directly condemns mixing Christian beliefs with pagan beliefs...
No, I get my beliefs from the Bible, which directly condemns mixing Christian beliefs with pagan beliefs...there are only 2 birthday celebrations mentioned in the Bible and they are both pagan...
Discernment is not your virtue...Nowhere in the bible does it condemn celebrating birthdays.
Discernment is not your virtue...
Birthdays were first considered to be a pagan ritual in Christian culture.
In Christianity, it is believed that all people are born with “original sin.” That, in combination with early birthdays being tied to pagan gods, led Christians to consider birthdays to be celebrations of evil. This lasted for the first few hundred years of the existence of the Christian Church.
It wasn’t until the 4th century that Christians abandoned that way of thinking and began celebrating the birth of Jesus, also know as Christmas. Celebrating the birth of Jesus was partly enacted to recruit those who already celebrated Saturnalia, the Roman holiday.
https://www.pumpitupparty.com/blog/how-did-the-tradition-of-birthdays-begin/
It's called the principle of the matter...something you evidently know nothing about...Nothing in the bible says that god condemns celebrating birthdays
It's called the principle of the matter...something you evidently know nothing about...
I do not...
The bible is man made DoctrineMy beliefs come from the Bible, not some man made doctrine...there is no trinity in the Bible, no immortal soul, no hellfire...
The Pope is not the equivalent of Jesus.It seems like there are a lot of self-described Catholics who dislike the Pope, believe he has erred in matters of church message, or openly reject church doctrine. Right now it's mostly hardliners who think Pope Francis is too soft, but it applied equally to progressives who thought Pope Benedict was a thousand years behind the times.
As a non-Catholic, I don't really understand this mindset. Isn't the whole core of being a Catholic (as opposed to some other type of Christian) that you believe the Pope derives his authority directly from Jesus, who appointed St Peter and passed that authority all the way down to the current Pope? How is it even possible to be Catholic if you think the Pope (and by extension, Jesus) makes doctrinal mistakes? And isn't it rather presumptuous to think you understand your religion better than Jesus's hand-picked ambassador to humanity?
I'm not looking for a nasty argument, I just want to understand this perspective better.
The bible is man made Doctrine
No. They are ALL a fictional bookHer Bible is a man-made doctrine. Bibles that are used in most Protestant churches are God's Word.
No. They are ALL a fictional book
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