Carville: Democratic Party ‘a cracked-out clown car’

[CLAX1911]

It's very difficult for them to admit Trump broke a campaign promise and even, perhaps, lied to them.

No it's not. I'm not sure he made any promises about the Epstein files. But I'm very critical of Trump's attitude towards them. Unlike lefties I don't view the person I voted for as a deity.

It shatters the infallibility delusion of the cult leader.

Don't put your failings on others.

 

[lynnwinslow]

Cringey.

What's cringey about it?
I posted that Presidents usually have enough sense to not interject themselves in DOJ business. You posted something an AG said 13 years ago. What's your point?

 

[L88]

Carville hasn't helped win an election in the last 30 years. Time for him to move on.

His opinion of the Harris debacle was dead on before the election.

 

[Phys251]

His opinion of the Harris debacle was dead on before the election.

Broken clocks are right twice a day.

 

[L88]

Broken clocks are right twice a day.

Cliches are weak arguments.
Do you believe you know more than he does to win a Presidential race? He won't be an advisor in the race unless a Clinton runs.

 

[Phys251]

Cliches are weak arguments.

It's not cliche if it's true.

Do you believe you know more than he does to win a Presidential race?

You want to pretend it's 1996, not 2025. Time for you to get with the times.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Is this your 'pizzagate' moment?

How is this comparable to pizzagate? Was the guy running the pizza joint serving time as a sex offender?

 

[L88]

It's not cliche if it's true.



You want to pretend it's 1996, not 2025. Time for you to get with the times.

More cliche.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Carville hasn't helped win an election in the last 30 years. Time for him to move on.

Carville has consulted on campaigns as recent as 2022. Part of what is wrong with the current Democratic Party, and why its polling is so low, is this kneejerk rejection of any criticism.

 

[Phys251]

More cliche.

Keep on playing the "la la can't hear you" game. It's a great look for you.

Carville has consulted on campaigns as recent as 2022. Part of what is wrong with the current Democratic Party, and why its polling is so low, is this kneejerk rejection of any criticism.

The Democratic party polls low because of the perception that it is not doing enough. I'm sure you would have recognized this.

 

[L88]

Keep on playing the "la la can't hear you" game. It's a great look for you.



The Democratic party polls low because of the perception that it is not doing enough. I'm sure you would have recognized this.

Dem party is afraid to show it's true direction. Hardcore progressive left.

Our future choices will suck. MAGA vs PROGs

 

[Phys251]

Dem party is afraid to show it's true direction. Hardcore progressive left.

Our future choices will suck. MAGA vs PROGs

Speaking of cliche...

 

[L88]

Speaking of cliche...

Really? Point it out.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Keep on playing the "la la can't hear you" game. It's a great look for you.



The Democratic party polls low because of the perception that it is not doing enough. I'm sure you would have recognized this.

Much of it according to polling is the Democratic Party is seen as out of touch and far too beholden to various culturally left movements that are well outside the mainstream of America. The party's own polling has found that voters perceive Democrats as "weak", "woke", and "out of touch". https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5395563-democrats-losing-support-white-voters/

The Democratic Party is in the same position that it was in the 70s and 80s. It didn't start winning elections again until the rise of the New Democrats/DLC, when they moderated on cultural issues and focused on improving voters quality of life.

 

[Phys251]

Much of it according to polling is the Democratic Party is seen as out of touch and far too beholden to various culturally left movements that are well outside the mainstream of America. The party's own polling has found that voters perceive Democrats as "weak", "woke", and "out of touch". https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5395563-democrats-losing-support-white-voters/

Weakness is a complaint from within the base; "wokeness" is a complaint from without. What the base wants the Democratic party to do is fight, not roll over and play dead.

The Democratic Party is in the same position that it was in the 70s and 80s. It didn't start winning elections again until the rise of the New Democrats/DLC, when they moderated on cultural issues and focused on improving voters quality of life.

Congressional Democrats did quite well in the '70s and '80s.

Besides, you're neglecting one big factor in this: the internet and social media. That changes the political landscape. Candidates who might otherwise hardly be known can get significant face time.

 

[dobieg]

How is this comparable to pizzagate? Was the guy running the pizza joint serving time as a sex offender?

I see. Your pedo conspiracy theories are.....different.

 

[L88]

Much of it according to polling is the Democratic Party is seen as out of touch and far too beholden to various culturally left movements that are well outside the mainstream of America. The party's own polling has found that voters perceive Democrats as "weak", "woke", and "out of touch". https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5395563-democrats-losing-support-white-voters/

The Democratic Party is in the same position that it was in the 70s and 80s. It didn't start winning elections again until the rise of the New Democrats/DLC, when they moderated on cultural issues and focused on improving voters quality of life.

This^^^
I think Andy Beshear is a potential Bill Clinton.

 

[dobieg]

Weakness is a complaint from within the base; "wokeness" is a complaint from without. What the base wants the Democratic party to do is fight, not roll over and play dead.



Congressional Democrats did quite well in the '70s and '80s.

Besides, you're neglecting one big factor in this: the internet and social media. That changes the political landscape. Candidates who might otherwise hardly be known can get significant face time.

How can you do that when you don't have a unifying goal or message? Half of you wants to support Israel. The other half Palestine. There's a large section of liberals who want to get behind Mamdani of NY and there's a large swath like New Jersey Rep Gottheimer who want him to stfu. This is your party in a nutshell.

You can fight all you want but it will be flailing with zero cohesiveness coming from all different directions until your side unifies behind a singular path.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Weakness is a complaint from within the base; "wokeness" is a complaint from without. What the base wants the Democratic party to do is fight, not roll over and play dead.



Congressional Democrats did quite well in the '70s and '80s.

Besides, you're neglecting one big factor in this: the internet and social media. That changes the political landscape. Candidates who might otherwise hardly be known can get significant face time.

The congressional Democrats that did well in the 70s and 80s were primarily the old remnants of the Southern Democrats, who were very, very culturally conservative. They were a dying faction in the Democratic Party and many later became Republicans.

You can whistle past the graveyard all you want, but the party is in a terrible position right now. We aren't even doing well with young voters. This notion that a young Hispanic guy that voted for Trump in 2024, would vote for more progressive Democrat is ludicrous. A voter doesn't vote for a candidate like Trump because the other party isn't running enough Democratic Socialists.

 

[lynnwinslow]

What a load of nonsense!

What's nonsense about this comment? Be specific.

"You want to know why Biden didn't order the release of files from a DOJ investigation? Because presidents who aren't dumbasses don't interject themselves into DOJ business and try to politicize it. It's the DOJ's call, not the President's.
Trump is the only recent president who thinks the DOJ is his personal law firm and security force."

 

[dobieg]

The congressional Democrats that did well in the 70s and 80s were primarily the old remnants of the Southern Democrats, who were very, very culturally conservative. They were a dying faction in the Democratic Party and many later became Republicans.

You can whistle past the graveyard all you want, but the party is in a terrible position right now. We aren't even doing well with young voters. This notion that a young Hispanic guy that voted for Trump in 2024, would vote for more progressive Democrat is ludicrous. A voter doesn't vote for a candidate like Trump because the other party isn't running enough Democratic Socialists.

Good grief, someone who gets it.

I know there's more than a few of us former Bill Clinton Democrats who would gladly drop the GOP at the drop of a hat if Democrats came back from crazytown.

Of course I see zero chance of that happenning any time soon so it looks like populist Trump it is.

 

[Koala]

The congressional Democrats that did well in the 70s and 80s were primarily the old remnants of the Southern Democrats, who were very, very culturally conservative. They were a dying faction in the Democratic Party and many later became Republicans.

You can whistle past the graveyard all you want, but the party is in a terrible position right now. We aren't even doing well with young voters. This notion that a young Hispanic guy that voted for Trump in 2024, would vote for more progressive Democrat is ludicrous. A voter doesn't vote for a candidate like Trump because the other party isn't running enough Democratic Socialists.

A young hispanic guy doesnt vote for the Democratic party because the Democratic party has simply become MAGA-lite. The Democratic party offers him, and a lot of its base, next to nothing. It was a fatal mistake for the establishment to slowly drift to the center-right, cause then you really have nothing to offer.

A move back let to the progressive side is the only thing that could have saved the Democratic Party. But theyve steadily been refusing to do this, in fact the estabilished Democratic leaders have been fighting tooth and nail against the move to progressive platform, arguing it would cost them a national elections. They were saying this back when the buried Bernie in 2016, lost the election in 2016. 8 years later, the still didnt learn their lesson and tried to cram Harris down peoples throats like they did with Hillary, AND THE SAME THING HAPPENED>

AND THEY STILL HAVENT LEARNED THEIR LESSON. Its pricely what they fear will cost them elections, that is costing them elections -- fear of progressives and being lableled as "socialists." !

 

[aociswundumho]

What the base wants the Democratic party to do is fight, not roll over and play dead.

Fight for what? Democrats are only good at raising taxes and restricting the supply of everything, hence the exodus from states like california, NY, and Illinois.

 

[aociswundumho]

A move back let to the progressive side is the only thing that could have saved the Democratic Party.

Yes, and I've got the perfect campaign slogan: "Vote Democrat: Let’s California the whole country."

 

[dobieg]

A young hispanic guy doesnt vote for the Democratic party because the Democratic party has simply become MAGA-lite. The Democratic party offers him, and a lot of its base, next to nothing. It was a fatal mistake for the establishment to slowly drift to the center-right, cause then you really have nothing to offer.

A move back let to the progressive side is the only thing that could have saved the Democratic Party. But theyve steadily been refusing to do this, in fact the estabilished Democratic leaders have been fighting tooth and nail against the move to progressive platform, arguing it would cost them a national elections. They were saying this back when the buried Bernie in 2016, lost the election in 2016. 8 years later, the still didnt learn their lesson and tried to cram Harris down peoples throats like they did with Hillary, AND THE SAME THING HAPPENED>

AND THEY STILL HAVENT LEARNED THEIR LESSON. Its pricely what they fear will cost them elections, that is costing them elections -- fear of progressives and being lableled as "socialists." !

Are you a Bernie Bro?


I'm sorry but this sounds as delusional as the people who were arguing the GOP had to get behind Ron Paul. Extreme wings of either party are not a winning ticket.