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Cars that are not coming back in 2020

Not surprised about the Chevy Impala. Not surprised one day the Buick line will be discontinued.
As for Ford,the automaker should of followed AMC with the exception of Ford trucks.
Chrysler ?...always had transmission problems. Not dependable. 2020 will be a interesting year.

The Buick brand is a prestige brand in China. Don't expect it to disappear. A big money maker for GM and its Chinese partners. Ford is readying a new Lincoln luxury line, including limos and a Mark X that looks like it can easily compete with Bentley and Rolls, a vehicle expected to have a base price of $120k, decked out, as much as $250k.
 
i had a '93 Probe for a while. it was a good car. the Mustang that i owned was awesome, too, but good luck driving it on snow.


I worked for Ford in the mid 90s. The Probe was a rebadged Mazda. On the four cylinder valve cover, there was a Ford logo badge. If you removed the two Philips screws the valve cover was stamped Mazda.
 
Years ago, my buddy and I rode north from the DC area. We terminated in Lebanon, NH. I really enjoyed the Hudson River Valley north of West Point. Very reminiscent of Germany and the many roads that follow rivers/brooks. One of our stops was the aero drone @ Rhinebeck. I even sprung for a ride in one of the old birds. They have a realistic Fokker Dr1 and other period replicas.

What’s on deck for the Belgian oven this evening? :2wave:

The Hudson Valley is gorgeous country. Inspired an entire school of art during the 19th century, with landscape paintings now selling for millions when they hit the market. Those replicas and restored originals still fly at the aero drone today. I have a fear of flying, forced myself to learn how to fly a small plane there. Even bought a used two seat Cessna at one point. Still scares the crap out of me, but flying over the Hudson is an experience to remember fondly for the views.

No cooking tonight. We're dining out with friends at Bareburger in Forest Hills. I will make a point of telling the waitress or waiter to hold the anchovies. :)
 
I worked for Ford in the mid 90s. The Probe was a rebadged Mazda. On the four cylinder valve cover, there was a Ford logo badge. If you removed the two Philips screws the valve cover was stamped Mazda.

i vaguely remember that. had to look it up, though.

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The Buick brand is a prestige brand in China. Don't expect it to disappear. A big money maker for GM and its Chinese partners. Ford is readying a new Lincoln luxury line, including limos and a Mark X that looks like it can easily compete with Bentley and Rolls, a vehicle expected to have a base price of $120k, decked out, as much as $250k.

Have to admit I was surprised GM dropped the Pontiac line.
 
Have to admit I was surprised GM dropped the Pontiac line.

Me too. The Firebird was selling better than the Camaro. Who suspected the Tempest would become a collectible? One of Delorean's babies from the 60's. An acquaintance just sold his concourse ready 64 white convertible for $21k. His dad bought that car new for about $1,500. The buyer flipped it for $34k. 8k original owner miles, garage stored. His father left him about 70 vintage cars bought new. All low mileage, drivable, mint condition or better. Including two Ferraris, a Citroen Maserati, early Porsches, Vettes, other American muscle and pony cars, including an AMC AMX with 500 miles on it.
 
I would like to think that there is still a market for the Focus and the Fusion here in the USA, but I guess I might be wrong.

I think so too. I have a Focus ST and it's great fun, and very practical outside of it's high performance design.

Car companies have to make money, and there is more profit in crossovers, SUV's and Trucks.
 
There is, but the ROE is not high enough for Ford. They sold approx 200 000 Fusions in the year they decided to cut it from production and I believe approx 150 000 Focuses.

But get this, the Fusion Hybrid has had a better year than Prius.

The Toyota Prius, once revered as the greenest car on the road, has fallen on hard times. Sales are on a six-year losing streak, and now the previously preeminent eco-mobile has fallen behind the Ford Fusion hybrid – a model its parent company plans to pull the plug on in a couple years.

“The Prius is the model that got us to where we are today; it led the charge to electrification, but now it's facing so much competition,” said Jeff Schuster, senior vice president of forecasting for researcher LMC Automotive. “The Fusion is having a little bit of a last hurrah to send it off on a higher note.”

Seems almost a shame to put the Fusion out to pasture on that so called "high note". :(
 
My older son recently purchased a 2019 Lexus SUV RX flex fuel hybrid. He's got some complaints about the navigation system and the auto cabin temperature control, too many bells and whistles, but with six kids to cart around, it fit a need. He's getting about 35 mpg in city driving, 60mpg or so on the highway heading back and forth to our place in Rhinebeck, and further north. As a trauma medical specialist, he's also decked out the vehicle for emergency response, including a refrigerated cooler for emergency meds like adrenaline, a police band two way radio, a portable defibrillator, a small oxygen generator, and both a rolled up stretcher which rides in a container under the vehicle, and a rear seat with casters he can pull out for wheel chair use when necessary. No sirens, but a blue flashing light array builtin to the lighting system. He paid about $50k with a souped up suspension, and I think it indicates the future of SUVs and crossovers in general. His wife drives a two year old Subaru, and he's getting better mileage.

It's scary, his five year old twin boys have figured out how to use the police radio. They are not allowed in the front seat, but they manage to ignore dad and mom at every opportunity.

Baofeng or Yaesu?
 
i had a '93 Probe for a while. it was a good car. the Mustang that i owned was awesome, too, but good luck driving it on snow.

The current generation Mustang isn't based on the Probe.
 
it's probably coming.

If Iran even ATTEMPTS to shut down the Strait of Hormuz, it's definitely coming, global petroleum spiked this morning just on the latest two attacks on tankers outside the Strait. So extrapolate that to what we'd see if they start blocking the Strait entirely.

I predict it would be a tedious slog to get it open again and price per barrel could spike as much as 200 percent if it stays closed for a month or two, or even stays dangerous for that long. We will be seeing $6.00 a gallon and up very quickly.
 
Not surprised about the Chevy Impala. Not surprised one day the Buick line will be discontinued.
As for Ford,the automaker should of followed AMC with the exception of Ford trucks.
Chrysler ?...always had transmission problems. Not dependable. 2020 will be a interesting year.

No not always.
The Chrysler TorqueFlite automatic was so bulletproof that racers were adapting them to run in all kinds of other marques because they could take the pounding.
And as of about 2014 FCA's 8-speed and 9-speed slushboxes are proving very dependable.
The Chrysler 300's used the Mercedes built 5G-Tronic and 7G-Tronic automatic gearboxes, also proving very reliable.
 
If Iran even ATTEMPTS to shut down the Strait of Hormuz, it's definitely coming, global petroleum spiked this morning just on the latest two attacks on tankers outside the Strait. So extrapolate that to what we'd see if they start blocking the Strait entirely.

I predict it would be a tedious slog to get it open again and price per barrel could spike as much as 200 percent if it stays closed for a month or two, or even stays dangerous for that long. We will be seeing $6.00 a gallon and up very quickly.

I am not convinced the attacks where from Iran. There are other countries that would benefit if Iran got into a war, and placing limet mines to disable (but not sink) the tankers would be a perfect 'false flag' operation.
 
I am not convinced the attacks where from Iran. There are other countries that would benefit if Iran got into a war, and placing limet mines to disable (but not sink) the tankers would be a perfect 'false flag' operation.

My buddy and I were talking about that this afternoon, and we both started wondering if a certain billionaire in Dubai might have gotten ideas.
After all, look at how much Erik Prince would stand to gain from the merc end of a war like that.
Possibly more than Dick Cheney made off Iraq.
And Prince has a well known essay in which he lays out the case for privatizing the Afghanistan war.
Military Times (LINK)

Iran would certainly be much more convenient for him.
And I guarantee you Herr Trump has a huge mushroom head boner for Erik Prince.
 
My buddy and I were talking about that this afternoon, and we both started wondering if a certain billionaire in Dubai might have gotten ideas.
After all, look at how much Erik Prince would stand to gain from the merc end of a war like that.
Possibly more than Dick Cheney made off Iraq.
And Prince has a well known essay in which he lays out the case for privatizing the Afghanistan war.
Military Times (LINK)

Iran would certainly be much more convenient for him.
And I guarantee you Herr Trump has a huge mushroom head boner for Erik Prince.

There is also several other people who would benefit from a war between the u.s. and iran. Saudi Arabia for one. Israel for another. Russia or china too. And, nothing distracts from low polls like a war (trump).

Or, it even could be Iran.... but I think that is lower on my list.
 
Me too. The Firebird was selling better than the Camaro. Who suspected the Tempest would become a collectible? One of Delorean's babies from the 60's. An acquaintance just sold his concourse ready 64 white convertible for $21k. His dad bought that car new for about $1,500. The buyer flipped it for $34k. 8k original owner miles, garage stored. His father left him about 70 vintage cars bought new. All low mileage, drivable, mint condition or better. Including two Ferraris, a Citroen Maserati, early Porsches, Vettes, other American muscle and pony cars, including an AMC AMX with 500 miles on it.

When GM killed Pontiac the Firebird had not been sold for 6 years or so
 
There is also several other people who would benefit from a war between the u.s. and iran. Saudi Arabia for one. Israel for another. Russia or china too. And, nothing distracts from low polls like a war (trump).

Or, it even could be Iran.... but I think that is lower on my list.

Absolutely. No argument there but once again, Erik Prince or someone like him comes into the picture because both Israel and KSA need to have some built in plausible deniability as to the spark that sets it off, and Prince is the guy who can deliver as long as he's not "found out" to be complicit in such skullduggery.
And in the Age of Trump, that is actually pretty easy to pull off. I mean, Trump is actively and openly colluding with Russia on live television and his fans STILL say he isn't colluding and never did.

But anyway, to get back to the topic, if that war starts, watch as Regular gasoline hits something like five, six, seven a gallon or even higher.
 
Still being made, and going to switch to a mid engine platform

When the mid-engine comes out it will completely crash the used value of late model Corvettes. With the announcement, I can't imagine anyone buying a new Corvette now, but should rather wait.
 
When GM killed Pontiac the Firebird had not been sold for 6 years or so

I think GM lost a great opportunity; when the muscle cars started making a comeback ( Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, etc), they could have brought back the GTO and been a contender.


Instead, they brought back a weakly styled Sunbird knock off;

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Had they done with styling that carried the DNA of the original GTO, it might have been a different story...

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Even a resurrected Trans Am would have brought some interest.

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As it stands now, there are after market conversion companies picking up and running with "what could have happened".
 
Absolutely. No argument there but once again, Erik Prince or someone like him comes into the picture because both Israel and KSA need to have some built in plausible deniability as to the spark that sets it off, and Prince is the guy who can deliver as long as he's not "found out" to be complicit in such skullduggery.
And in the Age of Trump, that is actually pretty easy to pull off. I mean, Trump is actively and openly colluding with Russia on live television and his fans STILL say he isn't colluding and never did.

But anyway, to get back to the topic, if that war starts, watch as Regular gasoline hits something like five, six, seven a gallon or even higher.

Todays "Executive Outcomes".
 
Baofeng or Yaesu?

Neither. Norcom Custom 1201 dual Web and Radio Scanner. An American division of TI, it produces police radios that can communicate over Wifi hot spots or standard radio frequencies. Standard NYC EMT issue. Works with standard built in car mics and car speaker system, remote blue tooth single ear headphone and mic, good up to about 300 feet from the vehicle with voice controls. The headphone system can be switched to wifi frequencies for extended range, and the unit becomes a temporary wifi hot spot. Not for public consumption. Not even available for private ambulance services.

He's on 24/7 emergency trauma at site call for the NYPD officer down responses. He's only exempt from response if he is in surgery at NY Weill Cornell Columbia Presbyterian, at another call, 3 days per month out of the city on leave with prior notification or on vacation, 4 weeks annually. His second in command stands in. There are 4 more such trauma response teams like his in the City. Two more are in training, all led by former military doctors like him. Three more are in planning stages.

As well endowed as this system is, it is only the size of small smart phone. The operating software, a gift from Apple. It interfaces with his iPhone via near field communications for notifications, via wifi or bluetooth for hospital database communications and existing medical records, NYPD medical records. Soon other police and governmental employee medical record databases. Nifty. Technology and change can make for better life saving methodologies.
 
I am not convinced the attacks where from Iran. There are other countries that would benefit if Iran got into a war, and placing limet mines to disable (but not sink) the tankers would be a perfect 'false flag' operation.

The Iranian Revolutionary Guard is that stupid, and outside of Iranian government controls. Take your conspiracy theories back to your basement dungeon.
 
When GM killed Pontiac the Firebird had not been sold for 6 years or so

I believe that was three years, with stored unsold inventory still available from dealers up and through the last year. When the Firebird was discontinued it was outselling the Camaro. The two were the same basic car, and underpowered stinkers. Raul Bitberg raced a new Firebird in 2008 at the Brazil Samba Spirit stock car race. He crashed and burned that car six months later at a trial run in Argentina, his last run before the pine box carried what was left of him back to Belgium. Bitberg's half sister was married to Delorean years earlier. His father raced and died at Monaco. A premature heart attack. Not so dramatic an end.
 
Yes folks, vaporware exists in the automotive world, too.
How to spot? Look for absurd exaggeration and an oversupply of superlatives, and a wealthy Arab shiekh.

Unsurprisingly, The Insane Devel Sixteen Has Been Put On Hold
(translation: CANCELLED)

Carscoops.com

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Yes folks, vaporware exists in the automotive world, too.
How to spot? Look for absurd exaggeration and an oversupply of superlatives, and a wealthy Arab shiekh.

Unsurprisingly, The Insane Devel Sixteen Has Been Put On Hold
(translation: CANCELLED)

Carscoops.com

2535dfae-devel-sixteen-.jpg

"Devel team is still unable to design a vehicle that doesn’t fly away once it approaches 300 mph"

:shock:


Perhaps they should just fit it with an afterburner and have Lockheed Martin redesign the body.
 
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