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Carrying Firearms

Hoplite

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Something about the idea of carrying firearms for personal protection has always puzzled me.

Many people argue that carrying firearms in public, either concealed or openly, will make you safer. I'm not sure I understand how this works.

A firearm can be a very effective way of deterring someone from committing a crime against you. This is true but like any effective tool, it's only effective if you can get to it when you need it.

In a situation where you are walking down the street and confronted by someone who pulls out a gun and demands your walled, where is the opportunity to employ your firearm presented? You've been surprised, your firearm is holstered, his is not. You could try to be sneaky and pull it out, but your chances of getting yourself shot are probably better than you pulling a John Wayne.

I've heard the argument that firearms serve as a visual deterrent. Well...ok, but again, in an ambush situation you are no longer able to follow through on your threat. This is doubly nonsensical if you consider a concealed weapon; there is no visual display of you being armed to inform potential criminals that you are armed and can put up a potentially lethal fight.

Even in a situation where your attacker is armed with a knife, a gun may not save your life. Police departments sometimes operate on what's known as the "21 foot rule", 21 feet being the "average" distance a person with a knife can travel before a person with a holstered weapon can draw and fire two rounds at the target's center of mass. (On a side note, the "21" is disputed and calculated to more like 30 feet) So in close quarters, you may be able to get your weapon out but not before being stabbed at least once.

All these situations are made much more complicated if your attacker isnt working alone.

Some have suggested that armed citizens may help resolve situations such as armed robbery or other similar crimes. However this presents more problems as you are firing in an area with innocent people and unless you can quickly bring the incident to a close, you will create a firefight situation where innocent people and law enforcement are caught in a crossfire. That is, if you arent killed yourself. Additionally, law enforcement may not recognize you as a civilian trying to defend yourself in the heat of the moment and accidentally fire on you.

In such cases, escalating the situation has made it far more dangerous than if you had simply kept your head down and not made problems. I know that's not as Hollywood as we would like but statistically speaking, your chances of surviving an armed robbery are pretty good.
( Federal Bureau of Investigation - Press Room - Headline Archives Acts of violence: Were committed in 329, or 4.5%, of the 7,272 violations. Of the 13 total deaths, 10 were the perpetrators.)

Further problems develop when the argument is made that armed citizens can help defuse situations such as Virginia Tech or other similar public rampages. The same problems come into play here as in an armed robbery scenario; you are potentially creating a firefight situation where you are likely to get killed on top of creating problems for law enforcement.

On top of all this, while some form of training is often required to receive a carry permit for firearms, this training often is not repeated for some time or lacks critical components such as maintaining fire discipline in a high-stress situation. The training falls short of the expected environment the weapon will be used in. In fairness this does vary from program to program.

With all this in mind, how is carrying guns around supposed to help protect people?
 

10 of the 13 deaths were perps...
I like those odds.....
Personally, I'd rather go down fighting that bow my head & be 'owned' by a thug.......
A criminal will think twice if there is a possibility that you might be armed, & move on to a softer target, that sounds like you....
 

The premise that someone could very well be carrying is the deterrent for criminals. If I am a criminal who wants to steal from you, I am much less likely to try it knowing that you may be armed. If I know that you very likely are not armed, the odds that I can be successful increase.
 
I grew up in a family that hunted. I grew up with stories of my grandfathers and great-grantfathers hunting. I knew, from an early age, firearms were simply tools. I still hunt. Time out hunting still has a way of putting things in perspective for me.

I, too, am often as not off-put by guys who think they're rambo. I feel the same way about people who somehow think firearms are objects of evil. I have no idea if I'm capable of shooting someone. I'm scared to death of shooting someone under less than ideal conditions. However, my small southern town has experienced a rise of latino gangs. I'm going to carry. That's all there is to it.
 

I find it foolish to choose to not defend yourself & leave your fate to thugs....:doh
Given the topic & content, I have to question your moniker...
It definitely clashes with what you are preaching...
 
Myself I always carry when I’m on my job, which carries me into some undesirable place at odd hours of the day/night. You, at least I do,have developed a grift sense of someone that doesn’t belong in an area .

I’m sure the bad guys have a grift sense as well,when they look at me and see that I am not particularly afraid of them.

I don’t have to wave the weapon around; as a matter of fact most of the time I don’t even have to let them have a peek at it, I just say WTF you doing here, most of the time I get “I took a wrong turn”. :roll:
 
I find it foolish to choose to not defend yourself & leave your fate to thugs....:doh
Given the topic & content, I have to question your moniker...
It definitely clashes with what you are preaching...

I'm carrying. I'm just not making outlandish claims concerning my gunfighting ability in light of the fact I have yet to shoot anybody. :wink2:
 
I'm carrying. I'm just not making outlandish claims concerning my gunfighting ability in light of the fact I have yet to shoot anybody. :wink2:

Neither am I.......:shrug:
 
I don't carry a gun. ---but the idea is to be able to take a person out with you, should they decide to do you harm. ---Once people know that your willing to do that, and are armed, and ready, they tend to look for weaker prey. most people just want a fighting chance is all. We can't control the outcome. But we can fight till the end.
 
I like the idea of me having a gun but nobody else......

I know what I can do with a weapon but it is the other clown with it that bothers me. Have seen the other clown just trying to drive a vehicle down the road and the thought of him blasting off a pistol worries me.
 
Psshh I could easily shoot twenty men before the first one hit the ground!

Wait how many bullets are in this thing again? SIX!? Aww man!

There is strong evidence to show that strict gun control laws do not reduce crime rates. I like concealed carry laws, they do give potential criminals that second thought. "Man, I could hold up this bank, but one of the customers might be carrying."

If this were some magical world where there weren't any guns in private hands and the US was deciding for the first time whether to start selling guns to the public, you'd have a different argument. Restricting purchase would probably keep gun-related crime down, at least for a while. In reality, most gun crimes are committed with stolen or otherwise illegally obtained weapons. A guy robbing a bank wouldn't be stopped because "hey, I don't have a permit for this gun "

We have a right to bear arms, and the goal of that right was to allow us to defend ourselves. With that in mind, heavy weaponry is not something I feel is covered by the 2nd amendment. You can't carry a stinger missile around and pretend it will be used to defend yourself!

I've had heavy conservative types argue, literally, that privately owned nuclear weapons should be covered by the 2nd amendment. If you're a more reasonable person, you'd realize that there do have to be SOME restrictions on "arms," and clearly the current method of letting the states decide is the best way to do that.

Or there's the Family Guy take on it.



"How could that possibly be misconstrued?"
 

The Armed Citizen February 2010
 
Or they might ensure that either they shoot first or are the first one to have the gun out. You ensure that your criminals are arming themselves.

I prefer to deal with the situation by avoiding potential problem areas, traveling in groups, not carrying obviously valuable things with me, and a bare minimum knowledge of martial arts. I've been in several confrontations and I cant honestly say they would have ended any better had I been armed with a gun. I carry a weapon around with me at all (possible) times for religious reasons, but I dont see that a gun makes me any safer.

Or you think to yourself that you either have to shoot first or get your gun out first, or work with someone else who is also armed.
 
I don't carry a weapon because it makes me safer. Eleven months out of the year, my hometown is a perfectly safe place to live-- and I am certainly not an appealing target for any sort of crime. There is no part of Cheyenne I would be afraid to walk home from in the middle of the night.

On the other hand, if something does happen to me, I would prefer to die with weapon in hand. Don't want to look like a scrub when the Valkyries fly by.
 

In paragraph one, your logic is flawed, in paragraph two, a sheeplike mentality is displayed......
Every time I have brandished a weapon, it has been successful in protecting me......:yes:
 
In paragraph one, your logic is flawed, in paragraph two, a sheeplike mentality is displayed......
Care to elaborate or are we the "post and run" type of person?

Every time I have brandished a weapon, it has been successful in protecting me......:yes:
I'm not talking about weapons in general, I'm talking about firearms specifically.
 
I used to live in a neigborhood that had it's occasional gun violence. My neighbor and good friend used to go out with his loaded gun whenever he heard gunfire.

It used to make me feel less safe. frankly.
 
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I generally don't hang around to long & wait & see if someone will answer, but I will come back......


I'm not talking about weapons in general, I'm talking about firearms specifically.
So am I....
Why bring a knife to a gun fight?.......
 

I generally don't hang around to long & wait & see if someone will answer, but I will come back......
And not actually respond to anything important, I see.
 
Originally Posted by Hoplite
Or they might ensure that either they shoot first or are the first one to have the gun out.

If they don't insure they have their gun out first, then they are not good at armed robbery & should consider a different line of work....IF they survive....:rofl

You ensure that your criminals are arming themselves

Arming themselves with what?.....

What is it you are arming yourself with due to your religious belief?....
 
Typical Californian, needs immediate gratification.....:lol:
 
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