Carbon Monoxide Is A Humane Form Of Death Penatly

[Monk-Eye]

"Carbon Monoxide Is A Humane Form Of Death Penalty"

The supreme court is deciding whether lethal injection is cruel and unusual.
It is not unheard of for criminals to be poked multiple times to find a vein, or for multiple attempts to fail.
Lethal injection requires too much involvement by the executioner, and too much uncertainty in its application.

Electrocution, hanging, bullets, and a wood chipper are grotesque, macabre.

Whatever happened to the silent killer, the gas chamber?

Inform the inmate that they have a new cell (one way mirror) and will be executed.
There is no need to even inform the inmate of the exact time.
Invite the guests, push the button, vacuum the room.
There is probably a good mixture of gas that puts the inmate to sleep and does not even appear to cause respiratory distress.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Killing someone without telling them when its coming is so very Nazi no?

Granted there is probably less chance that the person will suffer, be it from injection or from insufficient doses that paralyze someone (they appear out) and they are actually consciously aware of choking to death; Which is absolutely horrible.

Despite the historical issues a great many people will have with this, how is a person not entitled to the knowledge of their last moment in a justice system?

Killing people without warning is just... wrong.

 

[Monk-Eye]

Last Goodbye

"Last Goodbye"

Granted there is probably less chance that the person will suffer, be it from injection or from insufficient doses that paralyze someone (they appear out) and they are actually consciously aware of choking to death; Which is absolutely horrible.
Despite the historical issues a great many people will have with this, how is a person not entitled to the knowledge of their last moment in a justice system?
Killing people without warning is just... wrong.

Do victims have closure to their lives?
Do victims get well wishes and consolement with their loved ones in their final moments?
Does the deprivation of life and liberty, possible torture, and frantic desperation of victims mean nothing?

How does it go?
Now I lay me down to sleep ---
What I sow I shall reep --
If I should die before I wake ---
At least they did not cook me in a cake --

 

[rhinefire]

I guess not even beheading could be considered humane as it is believed the brain remains alert for three seconds after the final cut, therefore I propose the "Bomb Cap". It is made out of modern day hi-tech spandex and laced through out with TNT. With a single toss of the switch, "KA-BOOM"!! But wait, if you order right now we will include this strap on Gideons Bible and that's not all. We will also send this huge American flag to drape over your head so when it goes "boom" your family members won't have to compensate the state for the cost of scraping brains off the walls. So go to the phones right now call.

 

[Monk-Eye]

Sadistic

"Sadistic"

I guess not even beheading could be considered humane as it is believed the brain remains alert for three seconds after the final cut, therefore I propose the "Bomb Cap".

Hopefully, a distinction is being made between circumstances.
For certain crimes, John Couey for example, the wood chipper is ideal.

There are stipulations to this form of punishment.
An important one is in the answer to the question, "If a tree falls in the woods will it make a sound?"
By definition, there is no sound unless there is an ear to hear it.
Thus the person sliding into the wood chipper cannot be heard or seen else, that violates natural indifference.

In theory, the death penalty is not vengeance it is justice.
As the crime was carried out with indifference, likewise, so is the penalty.
The gas chamber optimizes the indifference by removing the spectacle.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Whatever the **** that means

Do victims have closure to their lives?

I would imagine not, how is this relevant to my argument?

Do victims get well wishes and consolement with their loved ones in their final moments?

Possibly, again, relevance?

Does the deprivation of life and liberty, possible torture, and frantic desperation of victims mean nothing?

No it does not mean nothing, its suffering. What that have to do with justice as opposed to vengeance?

How does it go?
Now I lay me down to sleep ---
What I sow I shall reep --
If I should die before I wake ---
At least they did not cook me in a cake --

It, whatever it is, is meaningless to me.

I ask you again, why should a criminal on death row be killed without warning? What purpose does this serve in the name of justice?

 

[Monk-Eye]

Indifference

"Indifference"

I ask you again, why should a criminal on death row be killed without warning? What purpose does this serve in the name of justice?

By all means, explain the difference between vengeance and justice.

I would like you to adress the background in this story when you do it -
http://www.debatepolitics.com/gover...-soul-international-whackjobs.html#post653952

 

[1069]

If we can anesthetize patients into unconsciousness for surgery, it seems we ought to be able to anesthetize convicts before killing them (in whatever manner is most expedient).
I doubt the expense would be prohibitive, considering the comparatively small number of convicts executed each year. I'm sure state taxpayers could absorb the cost fairly painlessly.
Why don't they just do that, I wonder?

 

[Hatuey]

Re: Indifference

By all means, explain the difference between vengeance and justice.

The goal of vengeance is to inflict the same pain on the wrong doer as he inflicted on the victim. The goal of justice is to create a certain harmony.

 

[cherokee]

"Carbon Monoxide Is A Humane Form Of Death Penalty"

The supreme court is deciding whether lethal injection is cruel and unusual.
It is not unheard of for criminals to be poked multiple times to find a vein, or for multiple attempts to fail.
Lethal injection requires too much involvement by the executioner, and too much uncertainty in its application.

Electrocution, hanging, bullets, and a wood chipper are grotesque, macabre.

Whatever happened to the silent killer, the gas chamber?

Inform the inmate that they have a new cell (one way mirror) and will be executed.
There is no need to even inform the inmate of the exact time.
Invite the guests, push the button, vacuum the room.
There is probably a good mixture of gas that puts the inmate to sleep and does not even appear to cause respiratory distress.

.45 cal to the head works every time..

 

[winston53660]

If we can anesthetize patients into unconsciousness for surgery, it seems we ought to be able to anesthetize convicts before killing them (in whatever manner is most expedient).
I doubt the expense would be prohibitive, considering the comparatively small number of convicts executed each year. I'm sure state taxpayers could absorb the cost fairly painlessly.
Why don't they just do that, I wonder?

They already do knock the guys out with the same stuff. I'm anti death penalty but I think this case is really on shakey ound.

 

[Monk-Eye]

Livid Recompense

"Livid Recompense"

By all means, explain the difference between vengeance and justice.

The goal of vengeance is to inflict the same pain on the wrong doer as he inflicted on the victim. The goal of justice is to create a certain harmony.

Why isn't vengeance to inflict pain beyond the deeds of the wrongdoer and justice to inflict an equal share?

 

[Jerry]

"Carbon Monoxide Is A Humane Form Of Death Penalty"

The supreme court is deciding whether lethal injection is cruel and unusual.
It is not unheard of for criminals to be poked multiple times to find a vein, or for multiple attempts to fail.
Lethal injection requires too much involvement by the executioner, and too much uncertainty in its application.

Electrocution, hanging, bullets, and a wood chipper are grotesque, macabre.

Whatever happened to the silent killer, the gas chamber?

Inform the inmate that they have a new cell (one way mirror) and will be executed.
There is no need to even inform the inmate of the exact time.
Invite the guests, push the button, vacuum the room.
There is probably a good mixture of gas that puts the inmate to sleep and does not even appear to cause respiratory distress.

So is a 9mm to the back of the head, though I'll grant you that Co1 is less messy.....I still think we should stick with my incinerator.

 

[Hatuey]

Re: Livid Recompense

"Livid Recompense"
Why isn't vengeance to inflict pain beyond the deeds of the wrongdoer and justice to inflict an equal share?

Once two parties are heard. A fair decision is made. Justice is served. Vengeance doesn't care to hear the other side of the argument. Somebody looking for vengeance makes their mind up before giving the other side a chance to explain itself then making an educated and rational decision on the issue. Vengeance is the end is about getting even.

 

[Thelost1]

Re: Livid Recompense

Once two parties are heard. A fair decision is made. Justice is served. Vengeance doesn't care to hear the other side of the argument. Somebody looking for vengeance makes their mind up before giving the other side a chance to explain itself then making an educated and rational decision on the issue. Vengeance is the end is about getting even.

It is possible to make a vengeful decision in perfect knowledge of the evidence.

Vengefulness is an attitude used in judging punishment. IMO.

 

[1069]

They already do knock the guys out with the same stuff.

To my knowledge, convicts are not anesthetized before execution, regardless of the method of execution.
Where are you getting this information from?

 

[cherokee]

To my knowledge, convicts are not anesthetized before execution, regardless of the method of execution.
Where are you getting this information from?

Yes they are.
Most use Sodium Thiopenthal (same drug used to induce a coma) to knock the person out then something like Potasium Chloride to stop the heart. They may use a third drug but I cant remember what if any it is..

 

[Hatuey]

Re: Livid Recompense

It is possible to make a vengeful decision in perfect knowledge of the evidence.

Vengefulness is an attitude used in judging punishment. IMO.

Thinking that it's "alright" to kill somebody because they killed somebody close to you is irrational. Such a decision must be made by people devoid of any emotional attachment to the situation. Designated officials who can see the situation and not be emotionally attached have a much better chance of making "fair" decisions then people who have a direct connection to the issue. If a jury comes to an agreement that it is society's best interest that a person be executed. Then that is their decision. However it's simply illogical to think that people directly related to an incident involving a victim in the family can make a rational decision on what that person's punishment should be.

This is however all considering we're thinking about the same type of situation.

 

[1069]

Yes they are.
Most use Sodium Thiopenthal (same drug used to induce a coma) to knock the person out then something like Potasium Chloride to stop the heart. They may use a third drug but I cant remember what if any it is..

So then the only method of execution where anesthesia is (ostensibly, since it obviously sometimes doesn't work) used at all is lethal injection, correct?

 

[Monk-Eye]

Deserve

"Deserve"

Thinking that it's "alright" to kill somebody because they killed somebody close to you is irrational.

By depriving another of their institutional rights, in particular life, there are conditioins where one should be subject to a commensurate deprivation for an intentional act.
That expectation does not seem irrational.
Although, it does not seem reasonable to apply that rule without situational discretion.

In my mind there is greater dissonance of capital punishment for murder in familial crimes, where interaction contributes to overwhelming obsession.

My inclination for capital punishment is increased for the intentional murder of strangers, especially for those involving gratuitous cruelty.

While in some circumstances, rendering a painless, solemn, death might be procedural warrant, in other cases, given certain despicable actions, torture is easily justice from an objective position (at least in my mind).

Thus, I am still not satisfied with a distinction between justice and vengeance.

 

[cherokee]

So then the only method of execution where anesthesia is (ostensibly, since it obviously sometimes doesn't work) used at all is lethal injection, correct?

Ok what state are we apparently talking about?

 

[1069]

Ok what state are we apparently talking about?

I didn't know we were talking about any particular state. Are we?
There are still 19 states that employ methods of execution other than lethal injection, with electrocution being the most prevalent.

 

[Richard Nixon]

The death penalty is totally retarded, anyway. There's a thought: let's spare the most violent men on earth the suffering and pain which would come with being isolated for the rest of their lives and replace it with a painless death, thus sparing them of it.

Of course, having the isolated from the world in a jail cell, living off bread and water with no social interaction is totally inhumane. I think that should happen, death is the easy way out for these pricks.

As for the topic: there is no humane way to be murderdered by the state. If the state is going to kill you for horrific crimes, they may as well make it as painful as possible.;

 

[Stinger]

Re: Killing someone without telling them when its coming is so very Nazi no?

Despite the historical issues a great many people will have with this, how is a person not entitled to the knowledge of their last moment in a justice system?

A convicted capital murderer is not entitled to anything other than a death that is not cruel. Not telling them when is no cruel, they deserve not knowing.

 

[Stinger]

Re: Sadistic

By definition, there is no sound unless there is an ear to hear it.

If an acorn falls into the pond are there no ripples unless someone sees them?