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Can't have an abortion until you take a three-hour class on adoption [W:534]

year2late said:
To bad the right to life folks don't apply the same energy to the postborn as they do the preborn. If they did, could you imagine how the affordable care act could have looked?:(
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I guess you are right, that comment is just to wacky to let die right away.
 
year2late said:
People dying of survivable diseases. Sure it does. It just is intentionally not part of the movements platform.
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That has nothing to do with the right to life.

You have to make arrangements with a healthcare provider to get services. They probably expect to get paid for their work.

Look, I get it, you're a socialist... I'll argue about how wrong you are in economic terms elsewhere but this is the abortion forum.
 
year2late said:
People dying of survivable diseases. Sure it does. It just is intentionally not part of the movements platform.
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No, the right to life deals other people depriving you of your life. Getting your healthcare needs covered has absolutely nothing to do with it.
 
Scrabaholic said:
I have never fought for any right to murder innocent children. Please stop the libel.
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It's exactly what you've been arguing for. It's about the only thing you've been arguing for all the time you've been on this forum—the killing of innocent children. Until now, when you have begun arguing also for the killing of those who would defend these children who you want to be killed.
 
I thought that was supposed to read I've got a right to part of your paycheck
to cover my Constitutional right to healthcare
which MUST include free birth control & abortions !

amen
 
c'mon Bob yer sounding like a broken record
killin' gives ya an owie We get it.
 
she's really on to something there
death is painless yanno
 
That is so true TOL
as any of us that have had general anesthesia can attest
once the needle is in it's all just blackness
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
plenty, especially when the amount of the pain killer drug is insufficient, and has to suffer the pain of the other lethal drugs being injected into him.
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Painful doesn't mean violent. It's painful to give birth, or pass a kidney stone, it isn't violent.
 
dunno 'bout the level of violence but it danged sure smacks of justice ;)
 
In the name of the sweet baby Jebus tell me you din just compare the discomfort of childbirth
to passing a kidney stone :lamo

Thankfully I can say I've thus far not experienced either :P
 
AngryOldGuy said:
dunno 'bout the level of violence but it danged sure smacks of justice ;)
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No, it doesn't. It smacks of idiotic barbarian nonsense that should of disappeared from existence long ago.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
I support abortion rights, genius. But even if I didn't the above would not address my above point, it simply goes off on some irrelevant tangent that doesn't address the clear fact that you are ending the fetus/embryo/zygotes biological life and existence.
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Your above point was (among others) that what I am saying is absurd. I responded with a few things I find absurd.

You think that is irrelevant and that is fine. I responded with what I think is absurd and to me that is relevant.

Of course aborting the fetus ends the growth of that fetus and hence the tissue dies, but I disagree that it is an existence. I have a very different view of what an "existence" is.

Dr. Chuckles said:
See, you are apparently incapable of addressing a simple fact
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I am addressing a simple fact, the fact hat women's rights and women's privacy are being violated by idiot rules about prodding women with things like transvaginal ultrasounds before abortion etc. etc. etc.


Dr. Chuckles said:
I'm an atheist. But my religion (or lack there of) has little bearing on the effects of abortion in regards to the embryo/fetus
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Great, you are an atheist and so am I. And for that reason I wrote "religion/moral views".


Dr. Chuckles said:
I didn't call it a human being, and if I did, I would not being using that term in the sense that I think it should be afforded legal protection and rights.

What any of this has to do with the above point I raised, and that you are seemingly attempting to address, I do not know
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I did not actually say you said it, but it has been said in this thread and many more like it. And I still think that is absurd.

Dr. Chuckles said:
I actually support public funding to use schools as a means to distribute birth control. But, again, this would not address the point about abortion killing the fetus. Because even if I was against sex-ed, an abortion would still clearly kill a fetus.
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I just called it absurd, and I disagree, preventing unwanted pregnancies to occur in the first place makes for fewer abortions. That would make less aborted fetuses.

Dr. Chuckles said:
Where did I call anyone a slut and how would that change the basic biological fact outlined above?
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Again, not accusing you anywhere, just stating what I think is absurd.


Dr. Chuckles said:
How does the above address this?

"yeah, but during the abortion process you are clearly killing it. The two are inseparable.

Feel free to argue to killing it is of little consequence, but the position you are currently taking is completely absurd"
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You think it is killing, I think it is aborting. That the tissue dies is not the same as to kill. It may be semantics but I make that distinction between abortion and killing. You may feel differently but that is your opinion, not mine.
 
Henrin said:
Care to tell me how giving someone a lethal injection is not violent?
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violent
  Use Violent in a sentence
vi·o·lent
[vahy-uh-luhnt] Show IPA
adjective
1.
acting with or characterized by uncontrolled, strong, rough force: a violent earthquake.
2.
caused by injurious or destructive force: a violent death.
3.
intense in force, effect, etc.; severe; extreme: violent pain; violent cold.
4.
roughly or immoderately vehement or ardent: violent passions.
5.
furious in impetuosity, energy, etc.: violent haste.

Tell me where you see injecting a drug into an IV there? The last time I went under the knife it was say goodnight Gracie and I was out like a light. Nothing like violence happened, even when they began to cut into my flesh with a knife. Lots of drugs and blood but no violence, not even a little.
 
bud-dy I find the incessant over use of the quote button to be even moar painful than passing a kidney stone :P
 
AngryOldGuy said:
That is so true TOL
as any of us that have had general anesthesia can attest
once the needle is in it's all just blackness
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Yeppers. And if you never work up you would never miss a thing, not that you knew of at least.
 
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