Can't have an abortion until you take a three-hour class on adoption [W:534]

[Dr. Chuckles]

Your penis has killed people? Pics please.

 

[TiredOfLife]

That's pretty close to what the 8hr class is about, actually....that guns kill when mishandled and where they're prohibited by law.

Great. So the anti-gun people will give mandatory classes before you can buy a gun, and the anti-abortion people will give mandatory classes before you can get an abortion? That sure sounds like Freedom to me? What could go wrong?

I'm thinking I won't be teaching the anti-self pleasure class, not unless I lie a lot.

 

[Scrabaholic]

What you do with the 'contents of your uterus' is of absolutely no concern of mine.
I agree since I do not have that plumbing to lug around whether or not the 'legal right'
to have my cervix pried open and the walls of my uterus scrapped off isn't something

I'll ever really care about either. To me Abortion is on a par with homosexual marriage
two non-issues that don't mean a hilla beans to me.

So, why are you here arguing against abortion?

Now how about we get our panties inna twist over whether or not I have to pay taxes to
allow you to get free birth control which is far better than after behaving in an irresponsible manner
having to undergo the cervix prying procedure? narrr you just keep on parading around with yer
uterus onna stick!

Your taxes are not paying for my contraception. My taxes, however, ARE paying for women to give birth, including women who should not be doing so. I am not crazy about that, but that is how it goes. We don't get to pick and choose where our taxes go.

 

[TiredOfLife]

One of my sisters lost her virginity to rape. Fortunately pregnancy didn't ensue. Nobody would have judged her had she aborted. And those who would are just not worthy of consideration.

Losing your virginity is an act of will. it can't be "taken" and she should be reminded of that. Regardless of what some man did, it was and is her call.

 

[Scrabaholic]

and all the while I thought that is what the Pro-death er I mean choice crowd was advocating sry my bad

And with this ad hominem, you just make yourself look bad.

 

[Scrabaholic]

My suggestion to you is that you follow along in the convo before adding your two cents. I'd also recommend your not shooting the messenger if I thought this would do any good.

It's actually possible, you know--no, apparently, you don't know--that sources you don't like can cite studies and provide reference lists that readers can vet for themselves. The source I linked did.

It would be lovely if you'd add a little light rather than heat.

'This defies the stereotype that all raped women want abortions.'


THAT is what I was responding to. And no, I won't go to Lie Site News - I don't trust them to not put a virus on my computer.

 

[TiredOfLife]

'This defies the stereotype that all raped women want abortions.'


THAT is what I was responding to. And no, I won't go to Lie Site News - I don't trust them to not put a virus on my computer.

They're okay, just very Catholic. Their Facebook page still has a Defeat Obama link on it. Too damn funny.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Interesting. So what species is the offspring at that point?

Nobody said it's not human. There's a difference between being human and being a human being, but of course, you know that. Typical anti choice disingenuousness.

 

[Scrabaholic]

I don't believe in universally banning or allowing abortion. It's always situational, and this is the standard: You should be able to kill absolutely anyone who is a threat to you. You should not be allowed to kill someone unless they are a threat to you.

You know darn well I'm referring to what is considered 'elective' abortion. You are just sidestepping. And I know darn well you change your mind on a regular basis. Or you pretend to.....

 

[Jerry]

Great. So the anti-gun people will give mandatory classes before you can buy a gun, and the anti-abortion people will give mandatory classes before you can get an abortion? That sure sounds like Freedom to me? What could go wrong?

I'm thinking I won't be teaching the anti-self pleasure class, not unless I lie a lot.

Don't forget about those finger prints, FBI check, and IL residences will need a Vagina Owners Identification Card. Residents of TX will not be allowed to carry their vaginas openly, and may not posses a vagina on private property where a 'no-vagina' sign has been posted. Residents of CA will only be allowed to own a vagina which is on the Approved Vagina List, and may not be an Assault-Vagina or other military or police grade vagina.

 

[Scrabaholic]

I actually had tapeworm once.

Someone raped you and gave you tapeworm?

 

[Scrabaholic]

Ok.

Link to poll, please.

WTH are you talking about?

 

[TiredOfLife]

Don't forget about those finger prints, FBI check, and IL residences will need a Vagina Owners Identification Card.

A government so small it fits in your undies.

 

[JayDubya]

There are lots of things that are 'uglier'. Rape would be one. Torture would be another. Child molestation yet another. Racism yet another.

No, racism is not worse than homicide; it's not even criminal, nor should it be - it is thought.

Rape is not worse than homicide.
Torture is not worse than homicide.
Molestation is not worse than homicide.

Homicide victims are dead; they have zero chance to recover and live meaningful lives.

The criminal justice system prosecutes most harshly for violent and aggressive killings... it does so for good reason.



I don't even think this is a matter that could be subjectively argued; it's almost like introducing the concept of criminal justice to a space alien.

 

[JayDubya]

A young girl who is brutally raped is scarred for life, so people like you want to compound the injury by making her carry the rapists baby and give birth.

On the contrary, you compound the injury by adding needless brutality and needless violence against an innocent. Your philosophy takes a victim and turns them into a subhuman monster.

 

[JayDubya]

And abortion is a very human thing

That's a very cynical and misanthropic view.

I disagree.

Needless brutality and killing is what we humans get when we submit to our baser animal instincts.

You say destruction and bloodshed is human nature; whether you intend to or not, this excuses all of those who choose to do needless violence on others.

I say we are better than that; or at least, we can be.

 

[Jerry]

WTH are you talking about?

You said...

I have a better idea. Let's take a vote on whether abortion should be legal or not. Everyone has to register their vote. If the majority say no, then it is banned and all those voting no go on a list to adopt the unwanted children who are subsequently born. If you are on the list and you turn down the child when it's your turn to adopt, then your vote gets changed to yes (for abortion being legal). If, at any time the yes's end up out numbering the no's, abortion is made legal again.

The way we vote for things here on DebatePolitics.com is someone opens a thread on the topic and includes a poll.

So go make that thread, attach a poll using the standard thread-making interface, and give us a link to it here so we can all go to that thread and vote.

 

[joko104]

I can easily support that. Lordy, there are so many families wanting to adopt a baby. Why not educate women on that possibility and give them a path to make it happen??

But heaven forbid that a woman be required to take a 3 hour class on parenting...
Or substances and activities that could harm the fetus...
Or on the costs and burdens of having the child...
Or the health dangers of having babies for someone else...

or... anything that has anything to do with the risks of pregnancy for the purpose of NOT keeping the baby or anything having the baby other than giving it away.

Did YOU have any babies for the purpose of putting it up for adoption? Why not? Clearly there's no risk or burdens in merely being pregnant and giving birth - or at least that is the presumption of the law.

 

[Jerry]

A government so small it fits in your undies.

Does it vibrate?

 

[TiredOfLife]

Does it vibrate?

Only during elections, for 30 seconds at a time every 12 minutes.

 

[joko104]

On the contrary, you compound the injury by adding needless brutality and needless violence against an innocent. Your philosophy takes a victim and turns them into a subhuman monster.

10 year old female rape victims are "subhuman monsters." :roll:

For which you want "subhuman monsters" forced to have babies by the millions. :doh

BUT THANK YOU FOR GOING ON RECORD THAT THE WORD "HUMAN" IS A SUBJECTIVE WORD HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH SPECIES OR DNA .

 

[Bob Blaylock]

No, people should keep their grubby hands out of women's private parts, it's their body and their choice. And abortion is a very human thing and virtually all women who have an abortion do not do this lightly and denouncing them as not human shows the arrogant attitude that most of the pro-lifers have.

Not nearly so bad as denouncing the victims of abortion as “non human”. Those who willfully choose to participate in abortion are murderers, and fully deserve to be treated as such. The innocent victim of abortion did not do anything to deserve his fate.

 

[TiredOfLife]

Not nearly so bad as denouncing the victims of abortion as “non human”. Those who willfully choose to participate in abortion are murderers, and fully deserve to be treated as such. The innocent victim of abortion did not do anything to deserve his fate.

So what is the penalty for women who have abortions? Death?

 

[joko104]

Explain how any girl or woman so mentally disabled that she doesn't know that the option of adoption exists could possibly understand the course?

Of course, mentally disabled girls and women are good breeding stock for couples who want children.

 

[joko104]

Not nearly so bad as denouncing the victims of abortion as “non human”. Those who willfully choose to participate in abortion are murderers, and fully deserve to be treated as such. The innocent victim of abortion did not do anything to deserve his fate.

Well, to borrow Jerry's definition, they are a "sub-human unborn offspring of a sub-human monster."

Personally, I think any sub-human offspring of sub-human monsters should definitely be destroyed - in fact it should be required.