Cancer Genomics Expert Dr. Phillip Buckhaults Testifies to the SC Senate

[Schweddy]

This could explain quite a bit of what we are seeing with those that have been harmed by the vax and yet others no issues.

This guy is saying he found DNA in the vax and that could cause harm but not in everyone. Some could get the vax and no DNA made it into their system.

This guy is very pro-vax and thinks mRNA is revolutionary. He thinks they cocked up when making the vax. He also explains what he believes happened and why.

Thoughts?

 

[ataraxia]

This could explain quite a bit of what we are seeing with those that have been harmed by the vax and yet others no issues.

This guy is saying he found DNA in the vax and that could cause harm but not in everyone. Some could get the vax and no DNA made it into their system.

This guy is very pro-vax and thinks mRNA is revolutionary. He thinks they cocked up when making the vax. He also explains what he believes happened and why.

Thoughts?

I am curious to know what the rest of the scientific/medical community thinks of this.

Oh wait, never mind. Found it. This guy is a huckster.

"Buckhaults did not cite any research supporting his assertions, but they echo a preprint paper that fact-checking organization Health Feedback debunked in June 2023. Buckhaults later clarified his comments on X.

"The DNA is real, however the risk of this DNA is theoretical. There is no need to panic about past vaccination," he said in a September 23 post (archived here).

"These vaccines saved a lot of lives. Far more than the number of people who have had medical events subsequent to vaccine. So overall, these vaccines were a win."

However, University of Michigan virologist Michael Imperiale told AFP that Buckhaults's claims of DNA contamination are unsupported. US guidelines require testing, and Imperiale said any lots with unacceptable ingredients are withdrawn.

AFP has debunked several claims that Covid-19 vaccines contain DNA, alter people's genomes and cause cancer."

False claims recirculate on harmful DNA in Covid-19 vaccines

Scientists have repeatedly refuted the claim that Covid-19 vaccines can alter a person's genome, but social media posts suggest DNA contamination in the injections could lead to harmful effects such as cancer. This is false; there is no evidence of significant amounts of genetic material in the...

factcheck.afp.com

 

[Parrish]

This could explain quite a bit of what we are seeing with those that have been harmed by the vax and yet others no issues.

This guy is saying he found DNA in the vax and that could cause harm but not in everyone. Some could get the vax and no DNA made it into their system.

This guy is very pro-vax and thinks mRNA is revolutionary. He thinks they cocked up when making the vax. He also explains what he believes happened and why.

Thoughts?

Earth 2.

 

[Mach]

This could explain quite a bit of what we are seeing with those that have been harmed by the vax and yet others no issues.
This guy is saying he found DNA in the vax and that could cause harm but not in everyone. Some could get the vax and no DNA made it into their system.
This guy is very pro-vax and thinks mRNA is revolutionary. He thinks they cocked up when making the vax. He also explains what he believes happened and why.
Thoughts?

Looks like false claims making the rounds in social media:

False claims recirculate on harmful DNA in Covid-19 vaccines

Scientists have repeatedly refuted the claim that Covid-19 vaccines can alter a person's genome, but social media posts suggest DNA contamination in the injections could lead to harmful effects such as cancer. This is false; there is no evidence of significant amounts of genetic material in the...

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Buckhaults did not cite any research supporting his assertions, but they echo a preprint paper that fact-checking organization Health Feedback debunked in June 2023. Buckhaults later clarified his comments on X.
"The DNA is real, however the risk of this DNA is theoretical. There is no need to panic about past vaccination," he said in a September 23 post (archived here).

A different guy notes:

To affect a person's genome, he said contaminants would need to enter "dividing cells" -- not the muscle or skin cells where the vaccine is introduced.
"For it to cause cancer, it would have to incorporate into the genome known to be involved in cancer and turn on the gene. It doesn't have a way to do that," Imperiale said.

Be very skeptical of anti-vaxx stuff.
The first thing you look for is a published paper. Then do a search to see if its an outlier that other published researchers are condemning for errors, etc.
Science is really hard. You publish because it requires a lot of work and documentation and methods, etc., so that others can basically check your work.
Without confirmation from at least some other scientists, the risk is there that the published work is faulty.

This wasn't even a published work, just some guy with a power point.

Or, just go with health officials CDC, and talk to your doctor. That's the best advice for 99.999% of people.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

This could explain quite a bit of what we are seeing with those that have been harmed by the vax and yet others no issues.

This guy is saying he found DNA in the vax and that could cause harm but not in everyone. Some could get the vax and no DNA made it into their system.

This guy is very pro-vax and thinks mRNA is revolutionary. He thinks they cocked up when making the vax. He also explains what he believes happened and why.

Thoughts?

My thoughts?
Why is it SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO important that you somehow prove that the COVID vaccine is some evil master scheme?

 

[Schweddy]

The first thing you look for is a published paper.

Funny, the fist thing I would do before replying is to watch and understand what the guy is saying before coming to a conclusion.

 

[Mach]

Funny, the fist thing I would do before replying is to watch and understand what the guy is saying before coming to a conclusion.

Right, that's exactly what you shouldn't do.

There's no conclusion to reach other than "let me go fact check this".
Same with all media really. If something is important to you, absolutely do not believe what someone is saying unless they are a credible source, or you can do some basic verification.

 

[Schweddy]

My thoughts?
Why is it SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO important that you somehow prove that the COVID vaccine is some evil master scheme?

Again, you should watch and understand what he is saying before coming a conclusion.

He explains WHY and HOW. Psst...he doesn't believe it's some evil master scheme, it kinda eludes to the new vax using old standards.

 

[Parrish]

Funny, the fist thing I would do before replying is to watch and understand what the guy is saying before coming to a conclusion.

Funny. I would look at the science and the nuts who support it.

 

[Schweddy]

Right, that's exactly what you shouldn't do.

I disagree, I'm not a sheep on a hill. I think for myself. You should consider doing the same.

There's no conclusion to reach other than "let me go fact check this".

Exactly... that's kinda what he says. This is what I found... we need others to check it as well.

 

[Schweddy]

He says big words in the video try to keep up.

 

[Mach]

I disagree, I'm not a sheep on a hill. I think for myself. You should consider doing the same.

I would think it's being a sheep when one watches social media and believes what they are told from a random person.

A curious mind fact in contrast, fact-checks, reads alternate sources, looks for source credibility. In science, that's typically published papers that are not one-offs, and institutions that have a reputation. You think I should instead, just believe what a random guy on a video says? I'm surprised you believe that, it seems exactly backwards.

That's the entire success of right wing media..Roger Ailes told us, the "thinking is done for the viewers". I suppose he was right.

Exactly... that's kinda what he says. This is what I found... we need others to check it as well.

He's just a guy claiming he found something. OK, let's see his paper on this that shows his methods, his data, his analysis, and let others verify that work.
There's nothing scientifically to check here, until he shows his work. But he's agreed that the risk is..hypothetical. In other words, he's not identified any risk.

 

[commongood]

This could explain quite a bit of what we are seeing with those that have been harmed by the vax and yet others no issues.

This guy is saying he found DNA in the vax and that could cause harm but not in everyone. Some could get the vax and no DNA made it into their system.

This guy is very pro-vax and thinks mRNA is revolutionary. He thinks they cocked up when making the vax. He also explains what he believes happened and why.

Thoughts?

Here is a transcript, not sure how many clicks will be allowed before a paywall goes up.

There was no control for the vials he supposedly tested. He even said he had no idea why the empty vials were in the freezer. (3:57)

 

[Schweddy]

He's just a guy claiming he found something. OK, let's see his paper on this that shows his methods, his data, his analysis, and let others verify that work.
There's nothing scientifically to check here, until he shows his work. But he's agreed that the risk is..hypothetical. In other words, he's not identified any risk.

IF you would have watched, he is asking for others to test and come to their own conclusion.

He is asking for many other experts to do see what they find.

 

[Lovebug]

C'mon Schweddy, really?

 

[Parrish]

Sincerely hoping that you don't fall for this BS. Your embracement of conspiracy theories is not rational or based in science.

 

[Schweddy]

C'mon Schweddy, really?

Sincerely hoping that you don't fall for this BS. Your embracement of conspiracy theories is not rational or based in science.

You know what scares me most? People losing the ability to think for themselves. Completely discounting and ignoring before actually taking the time to listen to someones idea.

This isn't a conspiracy. The guy says there is no proof there is anything wrong, but only that DNA shouldn't be in there.

His final thoughts, are that he is very much pro-vax and believes mRNA will cure individual cancers one day, but they need to be made to standards.

 

[multivita-man]

Funny, the fist thing I would do before replying is to watch and understand what the guy is saying before coming to a conclusion.

Nah, source credibility matters. If there's a scientific consensus that the vaccines are safe and effective, I'm not going to listen to someone who has a reputation for being a crank or who has no reputation at all.

 

[Parrish]

You know what scares me most? People losing the ability to think for themselves. Completely discounting and ignoring before actually taking the time to listen to someones idea.

This isn't a conspiracy. The guy says there is no proof there is anything wrong, but only that DNA shouldn't be in there.

His final thoughts, are that he is very much pro-vax and believes mRNA will cure individual cancers one day, but they need to be made to standards.

What scares me is those who deny reality and science to their detriment.

 

[Lovebug]

You know what scares me most? People losing the ability to think for themselves. Completely discounting and ignoring before actually taking the time to listen to someones idea.

This isn't a conspiracy. The guy says there is no proof there is anything wrong, but only that DNA shouldn't be in there.

His final thoughts, are that he is very much pro-vax and believes mRNA will cure individual cancers one day, but they need to be made to standards.

Being able to think for ourselves is just that...not falling for the fear mongering and conspiracy theories out there but putting our trust in science.
Listen to your doctor and, with his guidance, decide what you should do. Don't trust some dude on the interwebs because the guy confirms what you want to believe, regardless how convincing the dude is.
IOW, put your trust in those who know you and your body and your needs, not some rando on the www.
Sorry Schweddy, I care too much about my fellow human beings to be convinced by snake oil salesmen.

 

[Schweddy]

Listen to your doctor and, with his guidance, decide what you should do. Don't trust some dude on the interwebs because the guy confirms what you want to believe, regardless how convincing the dude is.

I did, doc told me not to take the booster because I had Covid prior. He believes that natural immunity trumps the vax.

IOW, put your trust in those who know you and your body and your needs, not some rando on the www.

I get what you are saying. I do and I absolutely agree, but I also fall under the idea that just because someone has a degree it doesn't mean they are an expert. Same with this guy.
His ideas sounds plausible. But, I'm guessing you don't even know what his message really is and jumped directly into conspiracy.

Is it out of fear? Serious question.

Sorry Schweddy, I care too much about my fellow human beings to be convinced by snake oil salesmen.

Crazy, the simple question about anything vax related falls directly into conspiracy.

 

[bomberfox]

im still waiting for the vaccines to kill me. Aaaanyday now…..

 

[AmNat]

You know what scares me most? People losing the ability to think for themselves.

A lot of people are simply incapable of it. They've been told that the vaccines are good, therefore any criticism (or observations that could be perceived as critical) are dismissed out of hand. I doubt that one person who replied to this thread has actually watched Dr. Buckhaults' testimony.

 

[KingLeo]

False claims recirculate on harmful DNA in Covid-19 vaccines​

Scientists have repeatedly refuted the claim that Covid-19 vaccines can alter a person's genome, but social media posts suggest DNA contamination in the injections could lead to harmful effects such as cancer. This is false; there is no evidence of significant amounts of genetic material in the shots -- and even if there were, experts say they could not alter cells.​

False claims recirculate on harmful DNA in Covid-19 vaccines

Scientists have repeatedly refuted the claim that Covid-19 vaccines can alter a person's genome, but social media posts suggest DNA contamination in the injections could lead to harmful effects such as cancer. This is false; there is no evidence of significant amounts of genetic material in the...

news.yahoo.com

 

[Jason Warfield]

You know what scares me most? People losing the ability to think for themselves. Completely discounting and ignoring before actually taking the time to listen to someones idea.

This isn't a conspiracy. The guy says there is no proof there is anything wrong, but only that DNA shouldn't be in there.

His final thoughts, are that he is very much pro-vax and believes mRNA will cure individual cancers one day, but they need to be made to standards.

He made a statement that DNA shouldn't be in there and didn't follow up with any research to support his statement.

He's asking others to do his research for him, I guess. But also he is demanding research without giving any substantive reason as to why. The DNA statement is in regards to already debunked statements....so the science is already done without anything new to require more research. The guy is doing a Chicken Little dance. This is why no one on this thread will take him seriously...why should we?

Now, it would be different if he provided new evidence that could be peer reviewed and researched with the scientific method applied to it. In order for us to take him seriously, he has to give us something legitimate to be worried about that would cause his peers to go, "Oh, wait, he might have something here...we need to check this out, because this could be significant."

But since he hasn't done that, so there is no reason to take him seriously.