Canada to recognize Palestinian State

[eohrnberger]

Meh. Recognizing a Palestinian State is equivalent to recognizing a Hamas run terrorist state.

 

[Allan]

Meh. Recognizing a Palestinian State is equivalent to recognizing a Hamas run terrorist state.

Didn't read the statement.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Nobody needs your personal rescue.

Good. Then if Putin invades Western Europe, we can stay home and watch it all unfold on CNN. Good luck.

People that get funded to the hilt think there are no consequences for their actions. Someday that will end.

3220 thermonuclear warheads say that we are not going to suffer any consequences.

What we ask for is pretty simple really. Netanyahu and his accomplices will be arrested as soon as they come out of their hidey holes.

They will always be welcome in America.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Another one with reading comprehension challenges.

That is incorrect. All he said was that Hamas needs to disarm and not be part of the government. He offered no details on how he plans to make Hamas comply with his demands.

 

[Allan]

That is incorrect. All he said was that Hamas needs to disarm and not be part of the government. He offered no details on how he plans to make Hamas comply with his demands.

Still reading comprehension problems.

How come MAGA are the only ones that don't understand what is being proposed?*

*rhetorical, we all know why.

 

[bomberfox]

Good. Then if Putin invades Western Europe, we can stay home and watch it all unfold on CNN. Good luck.



3220 thermonuclear warheads say that we are not going to suffer any consequences.



They will always be welcome in America.

We’ll be fine. No we will not nuke the world to save your PM. What a ****ing nightmarish person you are. Nobody needs Likud nor jewish power parties but israel. The world would be a much better place without either party. We will also raise hell rather than let you take the west bank.

You are losing support day by day and you can thank your government for that.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Still reading comprehension problems.

Still incorrect.

How come MAGA are the only ones that don't understand what is being proposed?*
*rhetorical, we all know why.

We understand all too well. Canada is planning to reward Hamas for their aggression.

That's why, whenever we ask for details on how Canada will enforce their demands against Hamas, you have no answers for our questions.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

We’ll be fine. No we will not nuke the world to save your PM.

We do not have a PM. We have a President. He is doing fine and is not in any need of saving.

We will also raise hell rather than let you take the west bank.

We are not trying to take the West Bank. It is fine in Israeli hands.

You are losing support day by day and you can thank your government for that.

I don't care who does or doesn't support us. We support ourselves.

 

[bomberfox]

We do not have a PM. We have a President. He is doing fine and not in need of saving.



We are not trying to take the West Bank. It is fine in Israeli hands.



I don't care who does or doesn't support us. We support ourselves.

Yes you are. Your government is constantly voting to annex it and allowing terrorists to steal homes. You should care because we sent you those blank checks. The US and Israel backed south africa damn near the very end. How’d that work out for them?

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Yes you are. Your government is constantly voting to annex it and allowing terrorists to steal homes.

Fake news. Never happened.

You should care because we sent you those blank checks.

More fake news.

But even if you actually had sent us blank checks, I don't care about blank checks from whatever two-bit third-world hellhole you are referring to.

 

[bomberfox]

Fake news. Never happened.



More fake news.

But even if you actually had sent us blank checks, I don't care about blank checks from whatever two-bit third-world hellhole you are referring to.

Lol. That third world hellhole was the very country you said would nuke the world to protect your president. ****ing maga are just awful people (fake news lol!)

See you at the hague.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Lol. That third world hellhole was the very country you said would nuke the world to protect your president.

No. "Third world hellhole" referred to whatever the country is that you claimed is sending blank checks to America.

I referred to our nuclear arsenal in response to a vague threat about America somehow being "punished" by someone.

See you at the hague.

I don't intend to ever leave American territory.

Well, I'll visit Canada I guess, but I don't like it there because of the lack of freedom. The people are nice though.

 

[bomberfox]

No. "Third world hellhole" referred to whatever the country is that you claimed is sending blank checks to America.

I referred to our nuclear arsenal in response to a vague threat about America somehow being "punished" by someone.



I don't intend to ever leave American territory.

Well, I'll visit Canada I guess, but I don't like it there because of the lack of freedom. The people are nice though.

You really have reading comprehension issues lol!

 

[Toggle Almendro]

You really have reading comprehension issues lol!

Incorrect. I understand everything that I read.

 

[Tigerace117]

Meh. Recognizing a Palestinian State is equivalent to recognizing a Hamas run terrorist state.

There is no such thing as a “terrorist state”.

Israel used identical tactics to gain their own independence

 

[eohrnberger]

There is no such thing as a “terrorist state”.

What do you call a state which is run by terrorists?
A Palestinian state with Hamas in control would certainly qualify as such.

Israel used identical tactics to gain their own independence

To include the killing of children? I really don't think so.

 

[Perotista]

And yet Israel continues launching attacks against Palestinian civilians on a constant basis regardless, as well as trying to colonize Palestinian land there. Israel’s actions there demonstrate Hamas is nothing more than a convenient excuse for Israel doing what it was going to do anyway.

Israel doesn’t give a shit about “the hostages” and never did.

Okay, but a different take. Why would Hamas, the government of the Gaza Strip start a war it knew it couldn’t win? I think Hamas was willing to sacrifice as many Palestinians, innocent civilians in Gaza to turn world opinion against Israel which is exactly what is happening. I don’t think Hamas cares how many civilians die, get wounded, starve, whatever as long as they achieve their political agenda. I think this is the case as Hamas set up their headquarters and based their troops in hospitals, schools, public residential areas, etc. daring Israel to attack those sites. When Hamas did this, those sites ceased being purely civilian sites, they became military targets which is exactly how Hamas planned it. Hamas starting this war knew exactly what they were doing. Hamas will get what they want at the cost of who knows how many Palestinian civilians which Hamas was more than willing to sacrifice. You’re being played.

 

[Perotista]

It shows that Israel is not going to keep their end of the bargain to end this war. The more the IDF and America allows the likes of Moshe Sharvit (they also aid and abet this project) to terrorize west bank palestinians, the less believable their claims they will allow gazan civilians to return.

Perhaps Hamas, the government of the Gaza Strip shouldn't have started this war in the first place.

You, @Perotista and the rest of the MAGAverse are missing the gene for reading comprehension.

Carney's statement includes this condition:

"Any path to lasting peace for Israel also requires a viable and stable Palestinian state, and one that recognizes Israel’s inalienable right to security and peace."

So Canada’s goal is to recognize Hamas as a nation which will ensure peace. I might believe what you posted if Hamas wasn’t the government of the Gaza Strip which caused this war in the first place. My solution was to give Gaza to Egypt, make Gaza part of Egypt, but Egypt didn’t want it. They didn’t want anything to do with Hamas. But it seems Canada does, I suppose that up to Canada and Hamas.

 

[Buster Keaton]

I see you have no response to the fact the Government of Israel has been torturing and slaughtering civilians.

That the Netanyahu Government's policy of starving Palestinians in Gaza is a war crime.

The Iranian propaganda machine is exploiting the radical left

I see you have no response to the fact the Government of Israel has been torturing and slaughtering civilians.

That the Netanyahu Government's policy of starving Palestinians in Gaza is a war crime.

 

[Buster Keaton]

Buster Keaton:

What the Iranians experienced at the hands of the State on Israel's military earlier this year proves my point. The State of Israel is the supreme regional military power of the Middle East and Israel is in no existential danger from any other power in the Middle East. This is a war of expansion not a war of survival. Israel has seized more land from Syria as it strikes that country militarily very frequently now to destabilize and fragment it. It has threatened to seize more land from Lebanon. It is now preparing to seize much of or all of Gaza and much of or all of the West Bank. It has already seized all of East Jerusalem. More ominously the present government is also already debating how best to expel all Palestinians from these lands taken or being taken and in addition is involved in deciding whether or not to expel Israeli citizen-Palestinians from Israel proper.

The State of Israel's behaviour is now far, far worse than Apartheid South Africa's ever was in the last century and it must be stopped by determined non-military means. Other states and individual people should refuse to do any business with the State of Israel and should impose crippling sanctions and boycotts upon it and on the US for supporting it militarily, until the Israeli people themselves throw out the Netanyahu-led Government and prosecute that government's political and military leaders for war crimes, crimes against humanity and now genocide too. Also Israeli influencers who have advocated for the forcible expulsion or mass killing of Palestinians should be prosecuted for supporting genocide. Finally, the State of Israel's behaviour should be used as justification for the IAEA to start forcing the issue of inspecting and inventorying Israel's stock of nuclear weapons and longer-term sanctions should be imposed on this country until it becomes fully in compliance with IAEA demands for transparency. The time for strategic ambiguity is over, given the manifestly criminal behaviour of the present-day State of Israel. The world is fed up with this and the wheel is turning against Israeli militarism and expansionism by means of horrendous casualties being inflicted upon civilians.

The world needs to hobble the State of Israel's expansionist policies which are now utterly murderous and must punish the Government of the United States severely for its unquestioning support for a regime awash in war crimes, crimes against humanity and now genocide. Their pocket books are the targets we should focus on and their economies should be made to suffer grievously.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.

 

[Mr Person]

Hamas will now abandon its chartered mission to destroy Israel and exterminate all the Jews, then be a great force for peace! After all, it's never had a territory to run.

What part of Hamas can have no role in governance is evading you?

What part of "this is just feel-good symbolism that will have no possible effect as long as Hamas exists" is evading *you*?

Carney's statement includes this condition:

"Any path to lasting peace for Israel also requires a viable and stable Palestinian state, and one that recognizes Israel’s inalienable right to security and peace."

No shit. So, again, what is the point of declaring a Palestinian state right now when the only options to run it are Hamas or the discredited, corrupt, and emminently ineffective PLO? That is, beyond feeling that one has stood up for justice?

It's just words...

Until Hamas is crushed, Bibi/Likud's hold on power some how broken, rebuilding, and formation of a legitimate capable potential Palestinian government, it really is just feel-good symbolism. That's just reality.



Of course, getting rid of Hamas is a problem when any attempt to do it would get Israel accused of genocide. Even if Bibi hadn't been in charge - even if Israel had used proportional attacks instead of sometimes blowing up 140 people to kill 2 Hamas commanders - tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians would *STILL* be dead right alongside Hamas because that's how Hamas operates.....and why it operates the way it does.

And you would be right there condemning Israel for fighting Hamas, even though not fighting isn't an option, and even though there can be no peace until there is no Hamas or organization like it.

 

[Tigerace117]

What do you call a state which is run by terrorists?
A Palestinian state with Hamas in control would certainly qualify as such.


To include the killing of children? I really don't think so.

Uh....yes, they did. You not liking facing up to the historical facts doesn’t actually change them

 

[Tigerace117]

Okay, but a different take. Why would Hamas, the government of the Gaza Strip start a war it knew it couldn’t win? I think Hamas was willing to sacrifice as many Palestinians, innocent civilians in Gaza to turn world opinion against Israel which is exactly what is happening. I don’t think Hamas cares how many civilians die, get wounded, starve, whatever as long as they achieve their political agenda. I think this is the case as Hamas set up their headquarters and based their troops in hospitals, schools, public residential areas, etc. daring Israel to attack those sites. When Hamas did this, those sites ceased being purely civilian sites, they became military targets which is exactly how Hamas planned it. Hamas starting this war knew exactly what they were doing. Hamas will get what they want at the cost of who knows how many Palestinian civilians which Hamas was more than willing to sacrifice. You’re being played.

Sounds like Israel is awfully idiotic to gleefully carry out a mass murder campaign then.

Israel makes extensive use of human shields, as its own soldiers freely admit.

 

[Evilroddy]

That does not change the reality that Israel is being attacked and are defending themselves.

The State of Israel is the occupier of the Occupied Palestinian Territories since 1967. That was a war which the Eshkol Government of Israel chose to start. So the state of Israel is most definitely the aggressor and the military occupying power.

That is incorrect. Israel is waging a just war of self defense against the Palestinians' illegal war of aggression.

Whose justice? When did the wanton killing of civilians become just? When did using malnutrition and starvation of civilians and destroying their hospitals and other peaceful vital infrastructure become just? When did war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide become just? When did forcibly driving over a million civilians from their homes into concentrated safe-zones which are still subject to regular military attacks become just? When did shooting refugees seeking food become just? Like the actions of Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups, such behaviours done by agents of the State of Israel are atrocities and only just to those who view the world as members of a cult of death.

Antisemitism.

No, it is a simple comparison. Even under the worst and most harsh actions of the South African Apartheid regime, killings on the scale of what is being done to Palestinians never reached such levels. When ANC terrorists were caught, they were apprehended, tried and jailed not killed outright and their bodies thrown off rooves or buried in mass graves. These are facts and not antisemitism, IDF soldiers are not just Jews. There are Muslims, Christians and Druze in among their ranks. The atrocities they commit are a function of the choices they male, not their religion or culture they belong to. Your antisemitism accusation is a false accusation and is dismissed. Criticism of the policies of the State of Israel is not antisemitism.

Go ahead and cut yourselves off from us. Don't expect us to come to your rescue if Russia invades Western Europe though. We'll be busy washing our hair that day.

We Canadians have had no faith that the US would fulfil its Article #5 obligations to NATO since the TACO in Chief was first elected.

This hate speech that you posted is really appalling. Falsely accusing Jews of committing imaginary atrocities is a staple of antisemitism, but falsely accusing them of genocide is beyond the pale of human decency.

Was it hate speech when we demanded the prosecution of the leaders and radio influences during and after the Rwandan Genocide? No. I am not accusing Jews of anything. I am accusing Israeli military and political leaders and Israel media influencers of promoting war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide for the actions and advocacy which the have chosen to do. Actions not religion or culture is the meter stick which I am using. I make the same accusations against the waring factions in the Sudanese Civil War, the Russian invasions of Ukraine and the Colombian Civil War. Your actions are what should condemn you when accused and tried for crimes, not your faith, your culture or you flag. Laying out a logical case against accused alleged-criminals is not hate speech, its called justice or the Rule of Law.

That would be illegal. Any such use of force can be legally be defended against by the Israeli military with the support of the US.

States and individuals can decide who they do business with. Just don't buy or sell anything from or to the State of Israel. If a Jew or a former Israeli citizen in Paris or from Yonkers wants to sell you something or buy something from you, hey go ahead. States can level sanctions as they see fit. People and groups up to and including blocs of states can boycott any group or state they wish in free societies or free markets.

 

[Evilroddy]

Continued from last post.

Go ahead and cut yourselves off from us. Don't expect us to come to your rescue if Russia invades Western Europe though. We'll be busy washing our hair that day.

Already answered above. We Canadians don't need protection from Russia or China. Just one state has threatened to annex us in the 21st Century. What state could that be, I wonder?

This hate speech that you posted is really appalling. Falsely accusing Jews of committing imaginary atrocities is a staple of antisemitism, but falsely accusing them of genocide is beyond the pale of human decency.

Hate speech? I am stating in short form an accurate description of the actions of the State of Israel, not all Israelis and not all Jews who are innocent of such crimes. My criticism is focused on decision makers, military leaders, other ranks and those who are publicly inciting violence. Actions. not Judaism is the litmus test here.

Go ahead and cut yourselves off from us. Don't expect us to come to your rescue if Russia invades Western Europe though. We'll be busy washing our hair that day.

Cut and paste responses are weak argumentation. Ctrl -V is not an argument. It's just laziness.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.