Canada: Posting porch pirate vids violates thief's privacy rights!🤬🤬🤬

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Okay this is where my conservative side kicks in.
If you elect to invade MY property and steal MY stuff, you HAVE NO expectation of PRIVACY.
---Police in Quebec issued a warning - not to the pirates themselves, but to victims. They were advised that Canadian laws means people should not be posting videos of alleged package thieves, or risk violating their privacy.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218592140

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QUEBEC, Canada (KABC) -- A warning about porch pirates in Canada is getting a lot of attention, but not for why you'd think.
Police in Quebec issued a warning - not to the pirates themselves, but to victims. They were advised that Canadian laws means people should not be posting videos of alleged package thieves, or risk violating their privacy.
Canadian police say instead, anyone who has video evidence of a crime should turn it over to authorities and not post it publicly.
The message is triggering a fierce backlash on social media.

 

[Brusan]

"Police in Quebec" can issue all the warnings they like about invading the privacy of people choosing to enter private property domain, but the actual interpretation of those laws is indeed left to the Canada Supreme Court and not the talking head for one province's police force.

"Proselytizing" this as a de-facto "Canadian" edict is both premature and misleading.

Especially when considering Ring cameras are broadcasting visions of any number of interactions between a front porch and it's occupants all over the airwaves daily.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

So, in Canada, people committing crimes are entitled to privacy while they commit crimes?

That is messed up.

 

[Chock Full o Nuts]

I didn't know they had an expectation of privacy on my front porch?
Do like this though.

But could be asking for problems other than a stolen package as soon as someone claims injury from trying to steal your shit.

Device designed to deter porch package thieves is illegal and a lawsuit risk, police say

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[Roadvirus]

Okay this is where my conservative side kicks in.
If you elect to invade MY property and steal MY stuff, you HAVE NO expectation of PRIVACY.
---Police in Quebec issued a warning - not to the pirates themselves, but to victims. They were advised that Canadian laws means people should not be posting videos of alleged package thieves, or risk violating their privacy.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218592140

View attachment 67487013

QUEBEC, Canada (KABC) -- A warning about porch pirates in Canada is getting a lot of attention, but not for why you'd think.
Police in Quebec issued a warning - not to the pirates themselves, but to victims. They were advised that Canadian laws means people should not be posting videos of alleged package thieves, or risk violating their privacy.
Canadian police say instead, anyone who has video evidence of a crime should turn it over to authorities and not post it publicly.
The message is triggering a fierce backlash on social media.

I give it a couple of days before whoever came up with this load of cow flop backtracks it after being horrifically mocked on SM.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

---Police in Quebec issued a warning - not to the pirates themselves, but to victims. They were advised that Canadian laws means people should not be posting videos of alleged package thieves, or risk violating their privacy.

That's completely reasonable. The last thing the police want is a vigilante doing something stupid when they see someone they think might look like a person they saw in a video online.

Best to leave the justice to the justice system and not expose yourself to any legal action.

 

[Callen]

So, in Canada, people committing crimes are entitled to privacy while they commit crimes?

That is messed up.

It's not Canada. It's Quebec........nuff said.

 

[Brusan]

So, in Canada, people committing crimes are entitled to privacy while they commit crimes?

That is messed up.

As explained above; that is a warning from the talking head of one Province's police force that does not constitute a determination of Canada's privacy laws by it's Supreme Court. Sorta like some states having different interpretations of Constitutional amendments. It will have to be tested and I suspect the only recourse for the 'perp' feeling wronged by his "public" outing being one of civil filing.

 

[Brusan]

I give it a couple of days before whoever came up with this load of cow flop backtracks it after being horrifically mocked on SM.

Being that interpretation of 'privacy laws' originated in Quebec, I predict their heels will be dug in. That provincial Police force was noted for decades as being the least concerned over individual rights, so they're not likely to waffle when going all opposite to the predictable.

 

[DrewPaul]

Okay this is where my conservative side kicks in.
If you elect to invade MY property and steal MY stuff, you HAVE NO expectation of PRIVACY.
---Police in Quebec issued a warning - not to the pirates themselves, but to victims. They were advised that Canadian laws means people should not be posting videos of alleged package thieves, or risk violating their privacy.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218592140

I read this yesterday in the news. You'd think a thief on your own property not only has no expectation of privacy but every expectation there actions will be taped and distributed.

 

[Brusan]

I must add, after perusing the O/P further, that nowhere does it stipulate that this was a warning from the QPP or one of it's various cities police forces. Big difference in relevance.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

That's completely reasonable. The last thing the police want is a vigilante doing something stupid when they see someone they think might look like a person they saw in a video online.

Best to leave the justice to the justice system and not expose yourself to any legal action.

I'll just go ahead and post the videos online and take my chances anyway and let the chips fall where they may, as regards the thief's "privacy rights".
If authorities had concerns about potential vigilante action, they would have SAID "we're concerned that posting clips online may trigger vigilante action" instead of saying that victims were violating privacy rights.

 

[Grand Mal]

My guess- you can't post a vid of the guy delivering pizza or the JW's evangelizing or the mailman or the twerpy kid who wants to walk your daughter to school so the same thing applies here.
Just my guess...

 

[DrewPaul]

I didn't know they had an expectation of privacy on my front porch?
Do like this though.

But could be asking for problems other than a stolen package as soon as someone claims injury from trying to steal your shit.

Device designed to deter porch package thieves is illegal and a lawsuit risk, police say

The ABA Journal is read by half of the nation's 1 million lawyers every month. It covers the trends, people and finances of the legal profession from Wall Street to Main Street to Pennsylvania Avenue.

www.abajournal.com

I got one better than that. Fill an amazon box with dog shit and let them bring that load home...

 

[Peter]

If I decide I'm going to nick someones post and they film me they can do whatever they like with the footage.

I decided to be a twat I can't then complain that someone filmed me and is showing that film.

 

[Mircea]

Okay this is where my conservative side kicks in.
If you elect to invade MY property and steal MY stuff, you HAVE NO expectation of PRIVACY.
---Police in Quebec issued a warning - not to the pirates themselves, but to victims. They were advised that Canadian laws means people should not be posting videos of alleged package thieves, or risk violating their privacy.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218592140

View attachment 67487013

QUEBEC, Canada (KABC) -- A warning about porch pirates in Canada is getting a lot of attention, but not for why you'd think.
Police in Quebec issued a warning - not to the pirates themselves, but to victims. They were advised that Canadian laws means people should not be posting videos of alleged package thieves, or risk violating their privacy.
Canadian police say instead, anyone who has video evidence of a crime should turn it over to authorities and not post it publicly.
The message is triggering a fierce backlash on social media.

That investigating privacy is even within the purview of O Canada! police is disturbing.

Rule of Life #2: If you don't want it known, then don't do it.

 

[Roadvirus]

I can just imagine one of the crumb crooks going to the police:

"I'd like to report someone violating my privacy!"
"When was this done, sir?"
"When i was stealing their packages off of their porch!"

 

[MamboDervish]

Okay this is where my conservative side kicks in.
If you elect to invade MY property and steal MY stuff, you HAVE NO expectation of PRIVACY.
---Police in Quebec issued a warning - not to the pirates themselves, but to victims. They were advised that Canadian laws means people should not be posting videos of alleged package thieves, or risk violating their privacy.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218592140

View attachment 67487013

QUEBEC, Canada (KABC) -- A warning about porch pirates in Canada is getting a lot of attention, but not for why you'd think.
Police in Quebec issued a warning - not to the pirates themselves, but to victims. They were advised that Canadian laws means people should not be posting videos of alleged package thieves, or risk violating their privacy.
Canadian police say instead, anyone who has video evidence of a crime should turn it over to authorities and not post it publicly.
The message is triggering a fierce backlash on social media.

The unspoken irony, of course, is that anyone who would deign to sue for having their crime broadcast on the internet would have no expectation of privacy in the court system. Anyone stupid enough to sue for some sort of privacy breech would breech their own privacy with the lawsuit, which is a matter of public record. Just imagine the plaintiff's argument in court.

"I'm suing because I don't want anyone to know that I was stealing off that porch, your Honor, ... and I'm demonstrating that fact by making sure everyone now knows I was stealing off that porch!!"

OY to the power of VEY!


"CASE DISMISSED!"

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

The unspoken irony, of course, is that anyone who would deign to sue for having their crime broadcast on the internet would have no expectation of privacy in the court system. Anyone stupid enough to sue for some sort of privacy breech would breech their own privacy with the lawsuit, which is a matter of public record. Just imagine the plaintiff's argument in court.

"I'm suing because I don't want anyone to know that I was stealing off that porch, your Honor, ... and I'm demonstrating that fact by making sure everyone now knows I was stealing off that porch!!"

OY to the power of VEY!


"CASE DISMISSED!"

And that's exactly why I would just go ahead and post the clips online and take my chances anyway.
Go ahead, CHARGE me with violating a crook's privacy PLEASE, I WANT you to charge me, so that everyone can understand that you're worried more about that than my safety or my property. See you next election.

 

[Binary_Digit]

My guess- you can't post a vid of the guy delivering pizza or the JW's evangelizing or the mailman or the twerpy kid who wants to walk your daughter to school so the same thing applies here.
Just my guess...

That makes sense to me. If those things you mentioned aren't allowed, then why would the restrictions be rendered obsolete under Canadian law just because there's a suspected crime? As much as I loathe when selfish people help themselves to other peoples' belongings, and as tiny as my violin is for them if they get humiliated online for it, I suppose whoever said this is just coming from a "letter of the law" point of view. The problem is addressed by taking it to the police. Posting it online is good for the emotional soul, but it's not really part of the solution of getting your stuff back and holding the accused accountable under due process. And who knows? Maybe once in a blue moon it's an honest mistake...somehow.

 

[Brusan]

And that's exactly why I would just go ahead and post the clips online and take my chances anyway.
Go ahead, CHARGE me with violating a crook's privacy PLEASE, I WANT you to charge me, so that everyone can understand that you're worried more about that than my safety or my property. See you next election.

You are quite correct about most people thusly victimized by a porch pirate going ahead and posting any video of the event without worrying overmuch about possible legal consequences.
One caveat to your very last sentence though; no elected rep. is involved in this type of thing in Canada, so whatever election you referred to, be it Federal or Provincial, would have no bearing on any Supreme court decision dealing with the "privacy" aspect of this issue. Canada does not elect it's Supreme Court members.
JMHO; the tsunami of contrary public opinion will not go unnoticed by all and sundry having any dog in this hunt. The opposition parties will make the most of this as they routinely do about anything they deem controversial happening during the sitting government's tenure, be it slow flushing toilets in the bus stations to unpolished brass on the door handles to Parliament House.

 

[OlNate]

It's not Canada. It's Quebec........nuff said.

IYKYK

 

[Rumpelstil]

Okay this is where my conservative side kicks in.
If you elect to invade MY property and steal MY stuff, you HAVE NO expectation of PRIVACY.
---Police in Quebec issued a warning - not to the pirates themselves, but to victims. They were advised that Canadian laws means people should not be posting videos of alleged package thieves, or risk violating their privacy.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218592140

View attachment 67487013

QUEBEC, Canada (KABC) -- A warning about porch pirates in Canada is getting a lot of attention, but not for why you'd think.
Police in Quebec issued a warning - not to the pirates themselves, but to victims. They were advised that Canadian laws means people should not be posting videos of alleged package thieves, or risk violating their privacy.
Canadian police say instead, anyone who has video evidence of a crime should turn it over to authorities and not post it publicly.
The message is triggering a fierce backlash on social media.

funny!

 

[PoS]

So, in Canada, people committing crimes are entitled to privacy while they commit crimes?

That is messed up.

Meh, its Canada, where lawyers throw themselves out of glass windows in skyscrapers to prove a point. Thats how dumb people over there are.

 

[MamboDervish]

Meh, its Canada, where lawyers throw themselves out of glass windows in skyscrapers to prove a point. Thats how dumb people over there are.

Yeah …. But they’re considerate enough to look down before they leap, lest they splatter an innocent bystander. Canadians are polite.