Canada National Dental Care Program

[tosca1]

Mr. Singh occupies a position somewhat analogous to that held by Sen Sanders and the two whackos in the US government.

The main difference is that Mr. Singh is endeavoring to actually accomplish something for the good of the Canadian people rather than merely glomming onto headline space and enriching himself or his family or the people who donate mega-millions of dollars to his personal re-election campaign.

Though I think he does endeavor to do something for what he thinks is for the good of Canadian people............................... let's not forget that his ideaology is based on socialism.

We cannot compare him though with corruption associated with being top head of the nation - and how Trudeau is abusing his power as PM. Singh hadn't become PM yet.
And in fairness, I would say the same about Poilievre.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Though I think he does endeavor to do something for what he thinks is for the good of Canadian people............................... let's not forget that his ideaology is based on socialism.

Strangely enough, almost all of those dreaded "socialist" legislation that has been introduced in Canada was introduced when the Liberal Party of Canada was the one that formed the government (generally so that they could convince the Canadian voters to vote for them).

Equally strangely, none of that dreaded "socialist" legislation was repealed when the Conservative Party of Canada managed to oust the Liberal Party of Canada and form the government (regardless of what they said that they were going to do and generally so as to reduce the chances that they would be tossed out of office if they did do it).

Does that tell you anything about how "anti-socialist" the Canadian electorate is?

We cannot compare him though with corruption associated with being top head of the nation - and how Trudeau is abusing his power as PM. Singh hadn't become PM yet.
And in fairness, I would say the same about Poilievre.

The general rule is

"Any action by any government that I don't support is 'an abuse of power'
BUT
if the same action is taken by a government that I do support then it is 'wise and prudent government policy'."​

- right?

 

[tosca1]

Strangely enough, almost all of those dreaded "socialist" legislation that has been introduced in Canada was introduced when the Liberal Party of Canada was the one that formed the government (generally so that they could convince the Canadian voters to vote for them).

Equally strangely, none of that dreaded "socialist" legislation was repealed when the Conservative Party of Canada managed to oust the Liberal Party of Canada and form the government (regardless of what they said that they were going to do and generally so as to reduce the chances that they would be tossed out of office if they did do it).

Does that tell you anything about how "anti-socialist" the Canadian electorate is?

The general rule is

"Any action by any government that I don't support is 'an abuse of power'
BUT
if the same action is taken by a government that I do support then it is 'wise and prudent government policy'."​

- right?

I stand by what I said.
Read again.

 

[Helix]

I support a national dental program in the US as part of a health care solution to eventually replace our hodgepodge private / public system.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I stand by what I said.

I have no doubt that you do.

Read again.

I got all of the actual thought process that went into your post out of it the first time I read it.

 

[Surrealistik]

What do Canadians say about this?

They say "Well, it happened Justin time.".

Jagmeet and the NDP should be given the credit given they had to drag Trudeau kicking and screaming to this compromised version.

Regardless of whether or not Justin gets it though, it probably will not be enough to save him from his very unfortunate legacy of corruption and self-dealing.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Jagmeet and the NDP should be given the credit given they had to drag Trudeau kicking and screaming to this compromised version.

Regardless of whether or not Justin gets it though, it probably will not be enough to save him from his very unfortunate legacy of corruption and self-dealing.

Since when has a "legacy of corruption and self-dealing" been sufficient to keep someone out of the Prime Minister's office?

Now I will admit that a "legacy of inept corruption" has likely gotten a few politicians out of office and that "blatantly public self-dealing" is generally not looked upon positively if it forms the basis of campaign advertising that is intended to promote re-election, but "efficient corruption" and "subtly private self-dealing" don't appear to mean much ESPECIALLY if the people doing them actually manage to provide what can be sold as the "peace, order, and good government" that Canadians tend to expect.

 

[Surrealistik]

Since when has a "legacy of corruption and self-dealing" been sufficient to keep someone out of the Prime Minister's office?

Now I will admit that a "legacy of inept corruption" has likely gotten a few politicians out of office and that "blatantly public self-dealing" is generally not looked upon positively if it forms the basis of campaign advertising that is intended to promote re-election, but "efficient corruption" and "subtly private self-dealing" don't appear to mean much ESPECIALLY if the people doing them actually manage to provide what can be sold as the "peace, order, and good government" that Canadians tend to expect.

Given the polling, I'd say the public doesn't find his brand of corruption particularly efficient or acceptable, nor exemplary of good government; in light of the excessive payout for the Kinder pipeline and the pork thrown around per the WE Charity scandal, I'm inclined to agree.

 

[tosca1]

Is this dental plan sustainable?
I don't think they even had agreed how much they're going to give to dentists!

Canada’s dental-care plan to take claims soon, but dentists still waiting on details - National | Globalnews.ca

Dentists, hygienists and other dental-care providers still don't have details about how the program will work or how much the government will pay for services.

globalnews.ca

Or.......it will be like the universal $10/day childcare - where-in operators seem to be tasked with absorbing some of the cost!
Some operators are threatening to close down. They need more funding.





Provinces and territories had their “eyes wide open” when they signed on to the federal $10-a-day child-care program, says Families Minister Jenna Sudds.

Her assertion that they must now make it work comes amid growing pushback from daycares that say the program is going to make them go bankrupt.
Operators in multiple provinces are threatening to pull out of the national child-care system or even close their doors.
They say the federal-provincial agreements limit the fees they can charge while not providing enough support to cover all their costs.

Provinces knew the deal when they signed on to $10-a-day child care: Liberal minister | Globalnews.ca

Canada's families minister says provinces and territories signed $10-a-day child care agreements with the feds with their "eyes wide open."

globalnews.ca

Yeah - they knew what they were signing. UNDER DURESS!
I remember too that there was pressure from Trudeau to get them to sign up!

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/frontburner/is-10-daycare-in-trouble-1.7101056

This is looking to be another Liberal/NDP clusterf***!

 

[tosca1]

Of course...................................................you guys know what this could mean.


We've lost doctors!
We're losing more doctors!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/family-doctors-quitting-toronto-survey-shows-1.6653832

We could end up with a shortage too, of dentists!
They'll move.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

My FREE Socialist BidenCare™ Plan covers almost all of my dental needs, and there are ZERO premiums and ZERO deductibles!!

I get FREE cleanings, FREE fillings, FREE root canals.
I did have to pay $800 out of pocket for a crown, they don't cover crowns. But the root canal would have been $1000.00 and that was FREE!!

The one thing they could do to improve this is to cover crowns, and I will bring that up in my feedback to them.

Ya know Allan.....Socialism is NOT the boogeyman that they've tried to make it out to be! Matter of fact:

Socialism RAWKS!!!!! PLEASE and THANK YOU Mister President!!!!!

 

[tosca1]

My FREE Socialist BidenCare™ Plan covers almost all of my dental needs, and there are ZERO premiums and ZERO deductibles!!

I get FREE cleanings, FREE fillings, FREE root canals.
I did have to pay $800 out of pocket for a crown, they don't cover crowns. But the root canal would have been $1000.00 and that was FREE!!

The one thing they could do to improve this is to cover crowns, and I will bring that up in my feedback to them.

Ya know Allan.....Socialism is NOT the boogeyman that they've tried to make it out to be! Matter of fact:

Socialism RAWKS!!!!! PLEASE and THANK YOU Mister President!!!!!

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It is a REALISTIC boogeyman.
Money don't go on trees!
Eventually - the chickens will come back to roost.

Right now, maybe you're not feeling the hurt................................. yet.
It will eventually sting you.



Socialism is anti-capitalism!
Where will the money come from?

Look at all the socialist countries - most of them are either going down in flames, or the people are cowed by dictators!

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

It is a REALISTIC boogeyman.

No it isn't.

Money don't go on trees!

So?

Eventually - the chickens will come back to roost.

Good. I like chickens. (Taste like chicken.)

Socialism is anti-capitalism!

Great, I like that. I support it.

Where will the money come from?

Taxes is what 'd guess.

Look at all the socialist countries - most of them are either going down in flames, or the people are cowed by dictators!

Yeah. The UK, France, Sweden. My god they are suffering.

 

[tosca1]

No it isn't.



So?



Good. I like chickens. (Taste like chicken.)



Great, I like that. I support it.



Taxes is what 'd guess.



Yeah. The UK, France, Sweden. My god they are suffering.

Lol - what refutations have you given?

Wanna take five so you can think of one?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

A national dental care plan could make a huge difference, especially for those who struggle to afford dental services. I remember when my grandma needed dental implants; it was a significant expense for our family.

Ask any gerontologist if the overall health of those over 65 could be improved if they were able to eat a proper diet.

Then ask them if the percentage of those who cannot eat a proper diet who have dental issues is a significant factor.

Then ask them if the overall healthcare costs would be lowered by more than the amount required to provide proper dental care to everyone if the incidence of dental issues was lowered.

The answer to all three questions is going to be "Yes.".

In short, it's actually cheaper to provide the dental care than it is to not provide it.