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Canada is now poorer, per capita, than Mississippi

Brusan said:
The American healthcare system is far worse; as those independent studies clearly showed.

Profit is not the problem as regards things you have a CHOICE to purchase without paid lobbyists paying your legislators huge back-handers to maintain.
Necessities of life however, come under far more strict controls of pricing in OTHER countries.
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Food is a necessity, yet all of the famines in the 20th century were caused by public control over the means of producing food.

Call me crazy, but the more important a good or service is, the less you should want its production controlled by idiot politicians.

Brusan said:
As before, don't purport to feel sadness for a population enjoying a better all-round healthcare delivery and performance system than yours
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They're both awful. Arguing about which is superior is like debating whether dog shit smells better than cat shit.

Brusan said:
based solely upon your tag-line stating "all socialism bad" while enjoying the fruits of socialism every time you exit your front door and step onto a taxation funded sidewalk.
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aociswundumho said:
I'll be starting a thread on the Canadian healthcare system soon.
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Ok... I mean, it's not exactly ground breaking content, I've seen it done a number of times here already.

Here's how it will go:

The American right will cherry pick stories about how it has failed, and suggest that that's how the entire system works, and why a healthcare system that allows around 44 000 people to die each year because of lack of health insurance is somehow superior.

The American left will call bullshit and say it's utopia.

And we Canadians, for the most part, other than those desperately wanting to be American, will bring out real statistics, admit that nothing is perfect, but will continue to enjoy our system and not really be super interested in yours.

But if you want to do another rerun binge watch, well... go ahead, I guess. Like most threads started by Americans about Canada, it's not really going to be about Canada anyway, but rather just an extension of your left vs. right Punch and Judy show.

Just make sure your bring enough popcorn for us Canucks. :)
 
aociswundumho said:
Food is a necessity, yet all of the famines in the 20th century were caused by public control over the means of producing food.

Call me crazy, but the more important a good or service is, the less you should want its production controlled by idiot politicians.

They're both awful. Arguing about which is superior is like debating whether dog shit smells better than cat shit.
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aociswundumho said:
Food is a necessity, yet all of the famines in the 20th century were caused by public control over the means of producing food.

Call me crazy, but the more important a good or service is, the less you should want its production controlled by idiot politicians.



They're both awful. Arguing about which is superior is like debating whether dog shit smells better than cat shit.
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Not "all" famines of the 20th century were "caused by public controls over food production".

Do you raise/ grow all your own food? Drink unpasteurized milk? Trust implicitly all those producers injecting growth hormones, anti biotics, colour enhancing chemicals of the foods you do not provide from your own labour to do so in a safe and responsible manner? If you do and can, it's because a form of socialism is ensuring you can.
Politicians are like "karma" you ultimately end up getting what you deserve.

As a Canadian septuagenarian with a lifetime of accessing the healthcare system, I've got nothing but positive comments to state categorically I would not trade even a part of it for the American model. I say that from witnessing first hand the all too often failures from living in the U.S. for 6 months of every winter since 2002. Having friends outright denied medical treatment for a cancer to more than one, regardless of being insured, having to sell everything they've worked their entire lives to amass to provide necessary medical treatment for themselves or a loved one just doesn't show on the negative meter in Canada.

Medical insurance is, by the commonly used American "socialism" definition, the very epitome of "socialism" .

Lastly: To the extent politicians are involved in the Canadian "single payer" model, they do indeed require watching closely in terms of their tampering with the funding formula which is the current stress our system is suffering from.
 
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Taylor said:
"Only?" 😂 😂 😂

When you take everything into account, New York has the highest rate of decline in the country, and it's not even close.

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Yes "ONLY"....a hundred thousand is 0.25% of forty million.
So yes, yes, YES I AM scoffing at your hysterical freakout over 0.25 percent.
And I was talking about MY state, California, not New York.
 
Threegoofs said:
Rotted minds fed with toxic information that reflexively spew lies with no concept of the real vs the imagined facts is not a good combination.
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Holy shit, is this about me? :p

You're a good writer. That is a pretty awesome sentence.
 
aociswundumho said:
Food is a necessity, yet all of the famines in the 20th century were caused by public control over the means of producing food.

Call me crazy, but the more important a good or service is, the less you should want its production controlled by idiot politicians.



They're both awful. Arguing about which is superior is like debating whether dog shit smells better than cat shit.
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Publicly run healthcare seems to work in Europe.
 
aociswundumho said:
The NHS is the pinnacle of socialized medicine, and it ain't doin to well.
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I've used it my entire life and it's been fantastic.
Whenever I need treatment I get it done speedily and done well and I have zero complaints.
It has problems and could use a bit more funding but I'd much rather have the NHS than try the US system over here.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
@Brusan, @OlNate, @Lord Tammerlain, @SNOWFLAKE @ANY CANADIAN...
I'm seriously worried, I think I'd like to apply for refugee status in Canada if TSHTF.
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I would be more than happy to have you in Canada

Smart rational people make Canada a stronger nation

Calgary is a great city, more affordable than Vancouver, it is rated as one of the most liveable cities in the world.

If the cold is a concern, South Eastern Vancouver island ( ie Victoria) is about the best year round not as rainy as Vancouver
 
Peter said:
I've used it my entire life and it's been fantastic.
Whenever I need treatment I get it done speedily and done well and I have zero complaints.
It has problems and could use a bit more funding but I'd much rather have the NHS than try the US system over here.
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There ya go! (y) It's the same for Canada's single payer.

There are not enough people in either of our countries DESIRING to duplicate the American model to push a Mini Mk II downhill.
 
Brusan said:
There ya go! (y) It's the same for Canada's single payer.

There are not enough people in either of our countries DESIRING to duplicate the American model to push a Mini Mk II downhill.
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Alberta likely has the highest level and that is less than 20% I expect. Even the most conservative US style Alberta politician is smart enough not to publicly go down that route.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
@Brusan, @OlNate, @Lord Tammerlain, @SNOWFLAKE @ANY CANADIAN...
I'm seriously worried, I think I'd like to apply for refugee status in Canada if TSHTF.
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I wouldn't pack your bug-out-go-bag just yet. I have faith that, as has happened in the past, the common sense of American citizenry prevails. Both our countries ae suffering from equal parts of polarized partisanship and voter apathy.

I sense that people in both countries are becoming aware of what's actually at stake in both for this election cycle.

At least; that is my fervent hope. 😟
 
I think the Canadians know what they have and can see waht´s behind the border. I have MS - if I would live in the states rather than the "welfare state" Germany, I would defineteley be bancrupt.
 
Peter said:
I've used it my entire life and it's been fantastic.
Whenever I need treatment I get it done speedily and done well and I have zero complaints.
It has problems and could use a bit more funding but I'd much rather have the NHS than try the US system over here.
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Some Americans desperately need all forms of universal healthcare to be "failing". It's the only way to justify their 3rd world approach to looking after their citizenry.
 
Allan said:
I'm not sure what the surprise is supposed to be here. Few countries compare to the US in per capita income.

Canada compares well to other developed countries.

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Canada median income 50,000
US median income 70,000
 
More money doesn't always mean better quality of life.

I could live extremely happily in a cabin on one of the Canadian lakes with just enough money for food and the internet and be absoluetely loving life.
 
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