Canada better than US?

[Grand Mal]

Pennies from a moocher. That is why they are at the bottom of the receiver list.

Do you know how big a nation Canada is? Between Poland and Morocco.

 

[Allan]

Wake up dude, as far as healthcare in Canada is concerned the government does run everything. Who cares if people die, as long as it is cheap.

Average life expectancy:
US 75
Canada 82.5

 

[Callen]

Perhaps you should take your own advice. Here is what Forbes has to say.
" The United States remains the world leader in medical innovation, having produced more than half of the world’s new medicines over the last decade."
Here is what the Huffington Post has to say.
" While there are many opinions about our nation’s health care system (particularly in Washington), there’s one overwhelming area of consensus — the United States leads the world in medical innovation........ "

We all know the reason. R & D on vaccines and medical equipment is very expensive. Canada is too cheap to develop their own and relies on others to provide it to them. When that is the case, you can end up at the back of the line.

The post I responded to was this one. I have no idea what you are talking about when you say...... "Perhaps you should take your own advice. Here is what Forbes has to say" .
At no time did I comment on the US and it's medical innovation. There is no doubt in my mind that when it comes to that the US is amongst the best in the world. Clearly you just want to pick a fight. Sorry but you will have to look elsewhere. I'm not interested in that type of nonsense.

 

[BahamaBob]

Average life expectancy:
US 75
Canada 82.5

Life expectancy is largely controlled by genetics. The life expectancy of whites is over 4 years longer than blacks. Beyond that your numbers are not even close. US 79 Canada 82. The highest life expectancy is in Hong Kong and their healthcare system looks much more like the US system than Canada's.
Life Expectancy by Country and in the World (2021) - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

If you actually want to compare healthcare systems, compare the average cancer survival rates. That is directly tied to healthcare.
Cancer Survival Rates by Country 2021 (worldpopulationreview.com)

 

[BahamaBob]

The post I responded to was this one. I have no idea what you are talking about when you say...... "Perhaps you should take your own advice. Here is what Forbes has to say" .
At no time did I comment on the US and it's medical innovation. There is no doubt in my mind that when it comes to that the US is amongst the best in the world. Clearly you just want to pick a fight. Sorry but you will have to look elsewhere. I'm not interested in that type of nonsense.

I see those pesky little facts don't fit your agenda. The US is light years ahead of Canada in vaccinating it's population and there are reasons for that. Just think about it. The US is vaccinating nearly as many people every day as Canada has done in total.

 

[Allan]

Life expectancy is largely controlled by genetics. The life expectancy of whites is over 4 years longer than blacks.

Barbados is 91% Black and they live 4 years longer than Americans.

Beyond that your numbers are not even close. US 79 Canada 82.

You need to get caught up - the US life expectancy dropped to 75.

The highest life expectancy is in Hong Kong and their healthcare system looks much more like the US system than Canada's.

Hong Kong has universal healthcare coverage, similar to Canada.

If you actually want to compare healthcare systems, compare the average cancer survival rates. That is directly tied to healthcare.

There are organizations such as WHO that rank healthcare by country using measures like outcomes, efficiency, access etc. They all rank Canada much higher than the US. Almost all countries with universal systems outrank the US.

 

[BahamaBob]

Barbados is 91% Black and they live 4 years longer than Americans.


You need to get caught up - the US life expectancy dropped to 75.


Hong Kong has universal healthcare coverage, similar to Canada.


There are organizations such as WHO that rank healthcare by country using measures like outcomes, efficiency, access etc. They all rank Canada much higher than the US. Almost all countries with universal systems outrank the US.

Barbados doesn't even have a population of 300K. If you want to play that game Summit County Colorado has a life expectancy of 86.8.

I supplied my source. It was for 2021. You don't get much more up to date than that. All you supplied was your opinion.

Hong Kong has a combined private and public system. The public system is for low income people. Like the US with private, Medicare and Medicaid. Nothing like Canada.

WHO also said their was no virus coming out of China. Then denied it could be spread person to person.

 

[Allan]

Barbados doesn't even have a population of 300K. If you want to play that game Summit County Colorado has a life expectancy of 86.8.

Doesn't matter. If Blacks had a shorter lifespan than Whites then Barbadians would live shorter lives, not longer.

I supplied my source. It was for 2021. You don't get much more up to date than that. All you supplied was your opinion.

Life expectancy in US drops one full year And sorry it's 77 years, not 75 as I said earlier.

Hong Kong has a combined private and public system. The public system is for low income people. Like the US with private, Medicare and Medicaid. Nothing like Canada.

All residents in Hong Kong are covered by their universal system, modeled on the NHK (remember that Hong Kong was a British colony). The private insurers cover what the universal system does not - things like private rooms, dental, quicker care for electives etc.

WHO also said their was no virus coming out of China. Then denied it could be spread person to person.

WHO never said either of those things, but it's irrelevant anyway, other than the fact you likely just made that up. There are organizations other than WHO that measure health care quality by country. Go ahead and try to find one that ranks the US higher than Canada. Can't be done.

 

[Jonsa]

I know it multiculturalism is Canada hasn't made up its own word and own definition for it that means something other than what it means then yeah I wouldn't know that. But I doubt that's what happened

So someone who practices something that would be illegal in Canada can't practice that in Canada even if it's cultural. I'm sorry to be the one that has to break this to you but you are making them conform to Canadian culture through force of law that is anti multiculturalism.

Laws forcing people to conform to a cultural standard is monoculturalism. What you mean to say is Canada welcomes people from all walks of life to be Canadian. That is admirable, it's one of the things I like the most about your country. But if people want to go there and have arranged marriages and sleep with children they're not allowed to do that because that doesn't fit with your culture.

Sadly you lack understanding of mulitculturalism as a government policy as reflected in both our Bill of Rights and Constitution.

No, conforming to the LAWS of the LAND is not monoculturalism. It seems you think multicultural means just moving the entire society and culture from one land to another and tolerating whatever they do within their communities.

get back to me when you have grasped the basics.

 

[BahamaBob]

Doesn't matter. If Blacks had a shorter lifespan than Whites then Barbadians would live shorter lives, not longer.


Life expectancy in US drops one full year And sorry it's 77 years, not 75 as I said earlier.


All residents in Hong Kong are covered by their universal system, modeled on the NHK (remember that Hong Kong was a British colony). The private insurers cover what the universal system does not - things like private rooms, dental, quicker care for electives etc.


WHO never said either of those things, but it's irrelevant anyway, other than the fact you likely just made that up. There are organizations other than WHO that measure health care quality by country. Go ahead and try to find one that ranks the US higher than Canada. Can't be done.

Still playing that game. If Blacks live longer what why is the life expectancy in Chad 46.7 years. Cherry picking is not debate. The fact is the life expectancy of Blacks in the us is much less.

That drop must be due to the change in healthcare. Credit that to Obamacare.

No, no and no. People have a choice of public or private. People are not forced to carry any health insurance. Non citizens are not covered.

WHO haunted by January tweet saying China found no human transmission of coronavirus
WHO haunted by January tweet saying China found no human transmission of coronavirus | Fox News

 

[Allan]

Still playing that game. If Blacks live longer what why is the life expectancy in Chad 46.7 years.

Chad is a 3rd world country with food and clean water insecurity and poor medical care. Barbados is not.

But getting back to the point - have you found any healthcare system evaluation that puts the US at a higher rank than Canada?

 

[BahamaBob]

Chad is a 3rd world country with food and clean water insecurity and poor medical care. Barbados is not.

But getting back to the point - have you found any healthcare system evaluation that puts the US at a higher rank than Canada?

I already posted two. One said the US leads the world in Medical R & D by a ton and the other said US cancer survival numbers were far ahead of Canada.

 

[Allan]

I already posted two. One said the US leads the world in Medical R & D by a ton and the other said US cancer survival numbers were far ahead of Canada.

Cherry picking. Find an overall measure of the systems. You won't because you can't.

 

[CLAX1911]

Sadly you lack understanding of mulitculturalism as a government policy as reflected in both our Bill of Rights and Constitution.

No, conforming to the LAWS of the LAND is not monoculturalism.

so if someone has a cultural practice that's against Canadian law they can just go ahead and do it or is there culture forced to conform to Canadian law?

It seems you think multicultural means just moving the entire society and culture from one land to another and tolerating whatever they do within their communities.

no that's not what I think it means. I just don't think it means necessarily cultural diversity. Multiculturalism means multiple cultures. That means when you come to Canada and you have a cultural practice that is illegal in Canada Canada changes its law otherwise it's not multicultural.

get back to me when you have grasped the basics.

multi-ethnic and diverse does not mean the same thing as multicultural. Canada isn't the Mosaic it's Canada.

 

[Jonsa]

so if someone has a cultural practice that's against Canadian law they can just go ahead and do it or is there culture forced to conform to Canadian law?

No if they commit a criminal act under Canadian Law they will be charged with a crime.

no that's not what I think it means. I just don't think it means necessarily cultural diversity. Multiculturalism means multiple cultures. That means when you come to Canada and you have a cultural practice that is illegal in Canada Canada changes its law otherwise it's not multicultural.

I don't know how to tell you this but that you don't seem to understand the concept of multiculturalism at all. Your ridiculous assertions of what it is doesn't change the facts and the case law and the THOUSANDS of books and papers and inquiries AND the fact that individual equality as guaranteed by our Charter of Rights and Freedoms and our Constitution.

multi-ethnic and diverse does not mean the same thing as multicultural. Canada isn't the Mosaic it's Canada.

Canada sure as hell is a mosaic of cultures living under a common set of laws and rights and freedoms. Does that mean a muslim can have two wives? NOPE!
Does that mean someone can perform female circumcision on their new born daughter? Not without going to jail.

 

[CLAX1911]

No if they commit a criminal act under Canadian Law they will be charged with a crime.

by sitting such a law and enforcing it you would be denying people their culture and forcing them to conform to yours. It's okay that's what every country does they have to do it just to survive.

I don't know how to tell you this but that you don't seem to understand the concept of multiculturalism at all. Your ridiculous assertions of what it is doesn't change the facts and the case law and the THOUSANDS of books and papers and inquiries AND the fact that individual equality as guaranteed by our Charter of Rights and Freedoms and our Constitution.

you can't gaslight me

Canada sure as hell is a mosaic of cultures living under a common set of laws and rights and freedoms. Does that mean a muslim can have two wives? NOPE!

then you're forcing people to confirm to your culture that's a monoculture.

Does that mean someone can perform female circumcision on their new born daughter? Not without going to jail.

YEAH MONOCULTURALISM.

 

[Jonsa]

by sitting such a law and enforcing it you would be denying people their culture and forcing them to conform to yours. It's okay that's what every country does they have to do it just to survive.

No, we are not denying them their culture. We are imposing a SINGLE requirement on ALL inhabitants, citizens and immigrants. Obey the laws of the land as duly legislated by our democratic representatives. It seems you think that means denying certain cultural practices that may have have been condoned in their country of origin, means denying them their culture entirely. I'm not surprised you can only think in binary terms.

you can't gaslight me

Not when you do such an effective job yourself.

then you're forcing people to confirm to your culture that's a monoculture.

YEAH MONOCULTURALISM.

have another taco, amigo.

 

[CLAX1911]

No, we are not denying them their culture.

if you arrest them for cultural practices that are illegal in Canada you're not only denying them their culture your persecuting them for practicing it. Canada is not multicultural it would never exist if it was a country can't multiculturalism is something you say to yourself to make you feel woke

You have diversity in a monoculture. Canada is a melting pot you can't be anything else unless you have total anarchy.

 

[Allan]

if you arrest them for cultural practices that are illegal in Canada you're not only denying them their culture your persecuting them for practicing it.

Give us an example of a cultural practice that would be illegal in Canada, but not in a developed country immigrants originate from.

 

[CLAX1911]

Give us an example of a cultural practice that would be illegal in Canada, but not in a developed country immigrants originate from.

If you don't accept cultural practices from less developed countries you are not multicultural.

That's indicating developed countries have better culture than less developed countries. that is about as anti multicultural of a thing you can say as possible.

But fair enough cuz I can't think of the examples. In China it's culturally to persecute gay people do you let them do that in your country? If you don't you are persecuting people who belong to that culture and want to perform that cultural ritual.

That is not multicultural.

 

[Allan]

If you don't accept cultural practices from less developed countries you are not multicultural.

We don't even accept cultural practices from our own 'less developed' days.

That's indicating developed countries have better culture than less developed countries. that is about as anti multicultural of a thing you can say as possible.

You completely misunderstand what multiculturalism is.

So let's try again. What cultural practices would be illegal in Canada?

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

HOLY SHIT!

This thread sure got a lot of hits.

I am guessing the suggestion that Canada might be greater has ticked off a few SNOWFLAKES.

I mean of course, other than, Canadian SNOWFLAKES who are unique and beautiful.

But, in order to be kind, we need to acknowledge the sensibilities of our southern neighbors, so this one is for you:

 

[CLAX1911]

We don't even accept cultural practices from our own 'less developed' days.

then how on Earth could you call yourself multicultural? Less developed Canadian culture is a culture if you suspend that you are picking and choosing which culture is better.

You completely misunderstand what multiculturalism is.

no you are. You are using it as a synonym for diversity because it makes you feel woke. I find virtue signaling to be insufferable because you're not doing it to show how much you care about other people you're doing it to show how enlightened you are and it's self-centered.

So let's try again. What cultural practices would be illegal in Canada?

executing gays for being gay they do that in Afghanistan. If you don't let them execute gay people in your country you are discriminating and persecuting their culture.

I'm perfectly happy to say it's an inferior culture because it doesn't recognize human rights but I don't buy into the mythology of multiculturalism.

 

[Allan]

executing gays for being gay they do that in Afghanistan. If you don't let them execute gay people in your country you are discriminating and persecuting their culture.

I knew you were going to get around to Muslims. The vast majority of Muslim countries don't engage in that practice so you can't call it a cultural trait. It would be like saying that pedophilia is a Christian trait because some church leaders have engaged in the practice.

 

[CLAX1911]

I knew you were going to get around to Muslims. The vast majority of Muslim countries don't engage in that practice so you can't call it a cultural trait.

I didn't say it was a cultural traits of Muslims I said it was a cultural trait of afghanistan.

Love how you dishonestly misrepresent what I said.

It would be like saying that pedophilia is a Christian trait because some church leaders have engaged in the practice.

it would only be like that if I said it was a Muslim cultural trait and I didn't. Stop lying you aren't fooling me.