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Can You Spot the Crook(s) In This Line-up?

code1211 said:
So there is no evidence whatever on whether or not Trump has more or less or anything at all. In spite of this, you believe he's stealing from the people or profiting from the office he occupies?

As with all things Trump, he's guilty until proven innocent. This up is down review of Trump is what is being pionted out in this.
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Yes, if you just look at his hotel in D.C. it seems self evidence he's profiting from the office he occupies. What moron with business in front of Trump doesn't decide it's probably best to use the hotel of the President?

But the big thing is we're all guessing because he won't disclose his returns.

You seem to be perfectly willing to accept that Hillary turned a profit due to her public office, both the one she held and the one she was striving to get, and Bill's paychecks were certainly enhanced by Hillary's job title.
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I'm sure I've said maybe 50 times on DP that a big reason I did NOT vote for her in the primary was her sellout speaking tour. I accept that it happened because we can all see the returns that show it happened, and how much.

The Democrats have apparently released their financials. We can see the growth in their net worth that far exceeds their salary. Net worths seem to have gone from above average up to multiple millions.
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Correct. For the Obama's, they've both written popular books that sold a lot of copies, for example, which is more than Obama makes with his pension. Did you have a point?

Trump's fortune eroding down to the multiple millions area would a financial catastrophe for him.
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OK :confused:

Reagan was a movie star before he was a politician- some might argue this is a distinction without a difference- but he already had a bunch of money when he was shooting Death Valley Days.

Like Trump, Reagan was also a concerned citizen statesman who left a profitable career outside of politics to serve the public.

As I recall, and my memory is not always that great, Reagan's public speaking after he left office was curtailed by the onset of Alzheimers comparatively soon following his departure from the White House.
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Well, I see, IOKIYAR seems to be the defense. It's a good one! Reagan pioneered the lucrative post-President speaking circuit, he and Nancy immediately signed lucrative book deals, which is what Obama did, but somehow you excuse that (he was a "concerned citizen statesman!!") and condemn Obama. Interesting stuff.
 
code1211 said:
No evidence has been presented that there are any lies contained in the OP.

Owning the Libs is not a difficult thing to do around here.
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OK, have it your way. The Trump figures aren't "lies" they are just pulled out of a hat, baseless, made up, fabricated, invented from whole cloth. :shrug:
 
JasperL said:
OK, have it your way. The Trump figures aren't "lies" they are just pulled out of a hat, baseless, made up, fabricated, invented from whole cloth. :shrug:
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Not that either. Keep working on it.
 
tres borrachos said:
So when did Trump release his tax returns so we can verify this? And why are you jealous of the Obama and Clinton successes? Are you a socialist?

And who thinks Trump is trying to steal his or her money?

You're right - the Derangement is real. The person who made that meme is deranged.
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Rachel Maddow Blames Viewers for Trump Tax Return Flop

This already happened...Illegally...

Why do you think it will be different if you keep trying the same thing?

"Rachel Maddow embarrassed herself and MSNBC Tuesday night when she hyped the fact that she “got Trump tax returns,” only to reveal two pages from the president’s 2005 1040 form. Those two pages revealed President Donald Trump had made $150 million in 2005, deducted $100 million in losses, and paid $38 million in taxes.

Not the damning evidence the Left was looking for. Instead of proving, as Democrats had alleged throughout the 2016 election, that Trump hadn’t paid taxes in decades, Maddow revealed that Trump had paid taxes—and at a larger share of his income than President Barack Obama or Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

So how did Maddow, whose stunt was mocked by mainstream media outlets like The Washington Post and Slate, respond to the bust? Did she apologize? Did she vow to do better?

Of course not. Because, you see, dear reader, it was not Maddow who was to blame for the episode. Nor was it the fault of her writers, producers or other staff. No: the real person to blame in all this is YOU, the viewer."

The countdown clock.....

 
code1211 said:
Whoopsie! My mistake. It was only $500 Thousand.

Fact-checking 'Clinton Cash' author on claim about Bill Clinton's speaking fees | PunditFact

The last part of the question was and is still operative: What's he getting nowadays?
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$500,000 for secretly meeting with the Russian bankers behind the deal to get 20% of our uranium - although the USA is short of uranium and has to import it. In real terms for how world commodities markets works, this was the "deal:"

1. The Russian bankers pay Bill Clinton $500,000 as a broker fee to make the deal thru his wife, who is in charge of the U.S. agency necessary to approved the deal.

2. Russians plow $130,000,000 into the Clinton's slush fund foundation.

3. With this, Hilary Clinton approves selling our uranium to Russia.

4. Russia then sells us our own uranium back on the commodities market - minus what they keep to make nuclear weapons to destroy us with - at a mark up.

Bottomline? $130,000,000+ was stolen from the US Treasury via this margin of profit as the Clinton's cut of the deal - with the money laundered thru the Russian banks Bill Clinton made the deal with - with Russian bankers keeping the rest of the profit off of selling us our own uranium.

It was the greatest act of treason in United States history via the Russians. Clearly most Democrats don't give a damn about colluding with the Russians.
 
tres borrachos said:
Stupid post proving my point ^
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I learned a long time ago outside of politics that generally people who have no personal integrity or ethics believe it is that lack of integrity and ethics is how they are smarter than other people. They believe being limited by truth and mortality is for chumps and stupid people, not tactically clever people like they are. They are the people for which the slogan of "you can sell anything if people believe it is stolen" is true.

This is why many Democrats including on this forum believe they are really clever by continuously making exactly diametrically opposite personal and issues attacks against Trump is persuasive. In fact it just proves they are fundamentally either amoral or immoral people - and are the gullible chumps and stupid people.

Because of their own echo chamber, they believe it means they are winning and was why they were certain Hilary Clinton would be elected by a landslide - and then believed President Trump would be removed from office and in prison within a year of taking office. This is why Hilary Clinton could be rammed down their throats in the primary, while Republicans threw Jeb Bush to the curb.

Rather than learning in the last election, they are doubling down on it in this election season. You all can debate who the Democratic Party's nominee should be, but the super rich who own the MSM and press will tell you who to vote for, and a majority of Democrats will do just that. Watching how Democrats on this forum roller coaster on Joe Biden is another example - depending upon whether the MSM and press - and their fake polls - are positive or negative. Essentially, you are irrelevant in your party's own primary and then irrelevant on issues in the general election. Most Democrats are just a low grade reflection of what the super rich tell them thru the propaganda outlets they own.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
How simple would someone have to be to actually believe that twump was ever a billionaire?
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Give your private jet is larger and you have vastly more country clubs, golf courses, high rises with units that sell for millions each, and casinos you certainly know what being a billionaire provides.

Don't be shy. Tell us all you have. It's ok to brag on the forum. You don't even have to prove it. How big is your personal jet and which of your country clubs around the world is your favorite?

Do you drive a pickup truck, Kia or Toyota? :lamo

Oh, wait, my mistake. President Trump traded in his 757 for Air Force One. :2razz:
 
joko104 said:
Give your private jet is larger and you have vastly more country clubs, golf courses, high rises with units that sell for millions each, and casinos you certainly know what being a billionaire provides.

Don't be shy. Tell us all you have. It's ok to brag on the forum. You don't even have to prove it. How big is your personal jet and which of your country clubs around the world is your favorite?

Do you drive a pickup truck, Kia or Toyota? :lamo

Oh, wait, my mistake. President Trump traded in his 757 for Air Force One. :2razz:
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LOL! How simple would someone have to be to actually believe that twump was ever a billionaire?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
LOL! How simple would someone have to be to actually believe that twump was ever a billionaire?
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Not as simple as someone would have to be to take your messages seriously. True genius would be having all he has and not being a billionaire. Add greatest PR man to his list of skills.

Of you? Pickup truck, Kia or Toyota?
 
joko104 said:
Not as simple as someone would have to be to take your messages seriously. True genius would be having all he has and not being a billionaire. Add greatest PR man to his list of skills.

Of you? Pickup truck, Kia or Toyota?
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How simple would someone have to be to actually believe that twump was ever a billionaire?
 
joko104 said:
$500,000 for secretly meeting with the Russian bankers behind the deal to get 20% of our uranium - although the USA is short of uranium and has to import it. In real terms for how world commodities markets works, this was the "deal:"

1. The Russian bankers pay Bill Clinton $500,000 as a broker fee to make the deal thru his wife, who is in charge of the U.S. agency necessary to approved the deal.
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Partly true. She was in charge of 1 of 9 agencies who had to evaluate the deal and send their recommendation to Obama, who approved it, plus the sale got approval in Utah, and in Canada.

2. Russians plow $130,000,000 into the Clinton's slush fund foundation.

3. With this, Hilary Clinton approves selling our uranium to Russia.
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Again, she didn't approve anything. Only POTUS can "approve" sales that are reviewed by CFIUS. Nine members of various cabinets and agencies submit their recommendation to POTUS and it was unanimous for approval, which Obama did.

4. Russia then sells us our own uranium back on the commodities market - minus what they keep to make nuclear weapons to destroy us with - at a mark up.
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They don't need any U.S. uranium to make nuclear weapons. Have you ever heard of the Megatons to Megawatts program? If not click on the link or look it up. Through 2013, Russian sold us DISMANTLED nuclear warheads and people like a family member of mine reprocessed the HEU used in weapons for use in nuclear power plants in the U.S.

And if they needed raw uranium, the Russians control plenty of it right in their own backyard and certainly wouldn't be going through the permitting process to get U.S. uranium out of this country to Russia. It would be like you sending out to Russia for your next shipment of apples that you can get at your local grocery - braindead stupid.

Also since the Uranium One sale, uranium commodity prices have dropped by not quite half. Uranium (Globex) Monthly Commodity Futures Price Chart : NYMEX

Bottomline? $130,000,000+ was stolen from the US Treasury via this margin of profit as the Clinton's cut of the deal - with the money laundered thru the Russian banks Bill Clinton made the deal with - with Russian bankers keeping the rest of the profit off of selling us our own uranium.

It was the greatest act of treason in United States history via the Russians. Clearly most Democrats don't give a damn about colluding with the Russians.
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You do know that uranium prices are set on the commodities market, and private companies sell "us" uranium that doesn't belong to "us" the public but to private companies, who own the mines, and do the work of extracting uranium from it?
 
How do we know what Trump's net worth was or is?
 
tres borrachos said:
Nobody asked you to sit through a speech. Theirs or anyone else's.

No, many people on the planet want to hear the words of a former US President. Especially a 2-term President.
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Perhaps so.

When Bill Clinton Was Paid $500,000 to Speak in Russia, Hillary Opposed State Dept. Sanctions
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[h=1]When Bill Clinton Was Paid $500,000 to Speak in Russia, Hillary Opposed State Dept. Sanctions[/h]<snip>

‘Still too much’: Clintons’ speaking tour prices slashed, available for less than $14 — RT USA News

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[h=1]‘Still too much’: Clintons’ speaking tour prices slashed, available for less than $14[/h]<snip>

Oh, how the mighty have fallen!
 
lurchadams said:
No, but I can imagine the reaction you and your trump apologists buddies would have had if Obama had been caught on a "hot mike" bragging about how "when you're famous you can sexually harass anyone you want in a disgusting way". I can imagine the outrage you and your buddies would have had if that while his wife was nursing his newborn son Obama was off having unprotected sex with a porn star and a playmate.

Please don't try to parse or compare trump to Clinton or anyone else as far as being a prolific/disgusting adulterer. It won't go well for you, I guarantee it!
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Was Trump the President at the time of the little distractions you're deflecting to? Were any of Trump's indiscretions performed with reporting line subordinates on site and on clock to qualify as work place harassment?

A billionaire Playboy jet setting in New York society circles is living a different reality than normal human beings- even top level executives.

Are the words you placed in quotes actual quotations spoken by anyone in the real world?

Links, please.
 
JasperL said:
Yes, if you just look at his hotel in D.C. it seems self evidence he's profiting from the office he occupies. What moron with business in front of Trump doesn't decide it's probably best to use the hotel of the President?

But the big thing is we're all guessing because he won't disclose his returns.



I'm sure I've said maybe 50 times on DP that a big reason I did NOT vote for her in the primary was her sellout speaking tour. I accept that it happened because we can all see the returns that show it happened, and how much.



Correct. For the Obama's, they've both written popular books that sold a lot of copies, for example, which is more than Obama makes with his pension. Did you have a point?



OK :confused:



Well, I see, IOKIYAR seems to be the defense. It's a good one! Reagan pioneered the lucrative post-President speaking circuit, he and Nancy immediately signed lucrative book deals, which is what Obama did, but somehow you excuse that (he was a "concerned citizen statesman!!") and condemn Obama. Interesting stuff.
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No links to support any aspersions cast at Trump. As usual... Just unsupported, unjustified hate.

Reagan's line of work was entertainment and public speaking. He probably had an agent and was probably made aware of the potential. If any president would have pioneered this, it seems reasonable that it would be Reagan.

Are you claiming that the month or so that Obama spent "behind enemy lines" qualifies him as a guy who made his fortune working in the public sector? Obama was and is a creature of politics and party.

York: Obama saw corporate job as working for the enemy

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Yet as Obama told it in "Dreams from My Father," he sometimes felt tempted to sell out during his time at Business International. After getting a promotion, Obama wrote, "I had my own office, my own secretary, money in the bank. Sometimes, coming out of an interview with Japanese financiers or German bond traders, I would catch my reflection in the elevator doors -- see myself in a suit and tie, a briefcase in hand -- and for a split second I would imagine myself as a captain of industry, barking out orders, closing the deal, before I remembered who it was that I had told myself I wanted to be and felt pangs of guilt for my lack of resolve."

Maraniss discovered most of that wasn't true; while Obama did have a tiny office, he didn't have his own secretary, didn't meet with financiers and bond traders, didn't even wear a suit to work. But the one true thing in that passage is Obama's antipathy for the business world.
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code1211 said:



The Derangement is Real.
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I don't think Trump is stealing money in office, I think he's destroying the country and is corrupt in other ways.

In any event, I don't really care if people make fortunes after running for or being president, as long as what they're doing is legal (whether or should be or not is a different story). It's also a little early to judge Trump in that respect.... Just wait until he or his family founds his media empire (what he wanted in the first place) after he eventually leaves office.

Sidenote: I find it very difficult to believe Clinton's net worth before the 2016 election was less than $500k, or that her current net worth is $100 million. For example, this article says Hillary herself made $9 million just in speaking fees in both 2013 and 2014. Not counting the hundreds of millions her husband made after leaving office. How Bill And Hillary Clinton Made $240 Million In The Last 15 Years
 
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JasperL said:
OK, have it your way. The Trump figures aren't "lies" they are just pulled out of a hat, baseless, made up, fabricated, invented from whole cloth. :shrug:
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I have no evidence to either support or undermine the numbers listed.

No supporting evidence for any of the three pictured.

It's just an amusing presentation.

Also, regardless of the rounding techniques employed to arrive at the displayed wealth levels, the totals seem reasonably believable as approximate bench marks.

I do find it interesting that the Liberal fish wraps are orgasmic proclaiming that Trump lost money in every year he ran his business that they have records for. This, they claim, reveals him to be a bufoon.

If the opposite were true, would this then qualify him a a stable genius?

NOW they actually DO SAY that he's making money at an ever increasing pace. The opposite IS TRUE! They have absolutely no evidence to support any claim they make claim. This, they claim, is evidence of Trump's Corruption.

Kind of makes a guy wonder if there might not be an agenda they are trying to fulfill...
 
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Cameron said:
I don't think Trump is stealing money in office, I think he's destroying the country and is corrupt in other ways.

In any event, I don't really care if people make fortunes after running for or being president, as long as what they're doing is legal (whether or should be or not is a different story). It's also a little early to judge Trump in that respect.... Just wait until he or his family founds his media empire (what he wanted in the first place) after he eventually leaves office.

Sidenote: I find it very difficult to believe Clinton's net worth before the 2016 election was less than $500k, or that her current net worth is $100 million. For example, this article says Hillary herself made $9 million just in speaking fees in both 2013 and 2014. Not counting the hundreds of millions her husband made after leaving office. How Bill And Hillary Clinton Made $240 Million In The Last 15 Years
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In what way(s) is Trump "destroying the country"?

Regarding the accuracy or lack of accuracy of the numbers in the posted display, I can't vouch for anything.

In gross generalities, the message seems to be about right. Trump had a big ol' pile o' money when he was elected.

The other two were successful to a degree before their elections/appointments and became very wealthy as a result of their stints as civil servants.
 
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