Can you point to one real lie Trump told, with the exact quote and link?

[Rob Larrikin]

lol that is literally the definition of splitting hairs. It's almost pathetic how far you're willing to go to refuse to accept the idea that Trump may have said something wrong. No, scratch that, it is pathetic.

Why did you leave out 2, 3 and 4?

 

[Rob Larrikin]

"There were people in that rally. I looked the night before. If you look, they were people protesting very quietly the taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee. I am sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day, it looked like they had some rough, bad people, neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest.


"Because I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this. There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country, a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/us/politics/trump-press-conference-transcript.html?_r=1

Except the counter-protesters did have a permit.

https://www.scribd.com/document/356...ust-12-2017Certificate-of-Approval#from_embed

Answered in post #453.

That’s Fake News because you’re assuming there were only two groups. There were more than two groups. Conservatives came with a permit. Another group came with a permit, but other extreme groups did not. They were the gate crashers who mixed in with the main groups. The press created a nothingburger out of it as usual. The whole transcript can be seen here. Read the entire thing and if you see any particular lie point it out.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Why did you leave out 2, 3 and 4?

Because the entire premise was bull****.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

While you were finessing a new definition of "lie" yesterday

Finessing up new definitions of lies is what the Left have been doing to Trump, which why none of you can present a single lie he told.

Trump was busy lying.

Trump doesn’t lie as this thread proves. Dozens of Trump haters haven't been able to produce one example of a lie.

You could start with :
https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/15/politics/trump-obamacare/index.html

That’s not a lie. It’s a Fake News story written by young Trump hater Tami Luhby, about his promises regarding health care. See Tami Luhby here.

​

Then on to his repeated pledge to protect Medicare and SS. He obviously has no intention of doing that. But he demands that we stand at attention for the national anthem. That there is really important.:roll:

Fake News.

So, no lie presented, and no link provided to show that lie. :clap: :mrgreen: :clap:

Keep it up – you’re proving Trump tells no lies.

 

[Jredbaron96]

You made a couple of mistakes here. The first is Trump didn't define what he meant by "raises for our military".

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can figure out what Trump meant by raises. You, on other hand, can't seem to grasp such a simple concept. He meant raises as in pay. You ask any other person what he meant and they'd tell you the same thing. You're mental gymnastics you jump through to try to justify your claim that Trump never lies is pathetic.

No, this is beyond pathetic. This is just sad.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Got you. Well done. What about the Trump claim that democrats want all police abolished?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-says-democrats-want-123138300.html

That's his opinion. See the OP. Opinions are not lies.

 

[Jredbaron96]

The second is that your graph has no apparent source.

Source: Department of Defense. Are you even trying?

Did you factor in inflation, the cost of living, taxes on food, gas, transport and general products and services, which he probably did? No.

When did you gain the ability to hear what Trump was thinking?

That’s a lousy increase of $52 bucks, which won’t cover inflation and the increased cost of living.

Cost of living? You realize the vast majority of E-1s with less than 4 months of pay aren't even out of AIT yet. They live in a barracks and eat at a DFAC, where the food is paid for by a meal deduction through their paycheck.

$278 in 2007 would buy more than $330 in 2015. So in real terms the basic pay for enlisted servicemembers went down in that time, not up.

No it doesn't. $278 in 2007 equals $323.48 in 2015, less that $330.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

LOL.

There is something very wrong with this man.

Sum Ting Wong? Is he from Taiwan too?

See post #472

 

[Rob Larrikin]

No you didn't. Trump said thousands and thousands of people were celebrating, dancing on rooftops. What was he talking about then? Who was celebrating? He got four pinochios and a pants on fire designation for his comments from fact-checkers.

"There were people cheering on the other side of NJ, where you have large Arab populations... Now I know they don't like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time... People watching it, a heavy Arab population." He said this on camera to George Stephanopolis. To be fair, he said Arabs, not Muslims, and there are Christian Arabs. Maybe they were the ones celebrating.

I think most Trump supporters will acknowledge he has lied. Doesn't necessarily make him a bad president, just one you can't trust when he speaks. Check out the NYTimes lie and misleading list from 2017. Or refer me to a fact checker that debunks the phony stories of his lies. What would motivate a major news outlet to make up all that? Did anyone write a piece exposing this? That would have been the end of the "failing NYTimes." (Was that the truth? Is it failing? Can I expect my Sunday deliveries to end?)

This isn't about all that. It's about whether Trump lied. I answered that already - try reading:

Misquote – Fake News. He didn’t say “saw” and he didn’t say “Muslims”. He said “where” and “people”. See for yourself. Look at the video of the speech, at the rally in Birmingham, Alabama on Saturday, Nov. 21, 2015.

Here is the transcript from about 43:28, and I have bolded the part in question.

I want surveillance of these people that are coming in - the Trojan Horse – I wanna know who the hell they are. And the biggest story yesterday, the biggest, was, “Trump wants database on Muslims.” I said, “What’s all happening here?” And I spoke to the reporters at the time, and I think I made it clear, and I also said (number one you couldn’t hear very well because it’s like you’re walking over here, you’re not bei..) but regardless of that, doesn’t matter, but I do want database for those people coming in, but I also insist on the wall. And it was all fine, all of a sudden I end up with some stories, I said, “What are you talking about?” So here’s the story, just to set it clear. I want surveillance of these people. I want surveillance if we have to, and I don’t care. I want, are you ready for this folks? Are you ready? Oh, they’re gonna make it such a big deal, they’re gonna make it so big, he said something so politically incorrect, that’s why we’re going to hell, because it was so politically incorrect. Such a big deal! Such a big deal! I want surveillance of certain Mosques, okay? If that’s okay. I want surveillance. And you know what? We’ve had it before and we’ll have it again.
Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched, in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering, so something’s going on, we gotta find out what it is. I do want surveillance. I will absolutely take database on the people coming in from Syria, if we can’t stop it, but we’re going to. And if I win, I’ve made it known, if I win, they’re going back, we can’t have them. They’re going back, we can’t have ‘em. We can’t have ‘em. You see what happened. And you see it very clearly. A few nutjobs in Paris. Okay? A few total nuts, lowlifes, the guy with the dirty hat, they say they got him. I hope they got him. He’s wearing a filthy, dirty hat. That was the one they were calling for five days the mastermind, right? The mastermind. He’s no mastermind. He’s a lowlife. But they got him. But there’s others out there. We have to get them. And we have to use surveillance. Wait – we have to use surveillance. We have to be vigilant. And you know the greatest thing is, everybody in this room, everybody outside of this room, we have tremendous eyes and ears. When somebody’s next to you in a house, or an apartment, you can sorta see there’s something going wrong, inform your local police. They’re incredible people the police. They’re incredible people. They’re incredible people.​

​

So where is the lie?

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Showing them to those who will not see is irritating. That's what russian bots do. irritate and agitate.

Read the OP and park your dump truck. I just want one lie.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

I just noticed that you live in Australia, meaning that all your Trump BS is a huge lie, given that it will not affect you personally in any way.

This makes you even worse than a dirty rag, it makes you a dirty rag full of sh**.

Congratulations on your promotion to being the biggest ass hole that ever lived. Satan should be proud of you. You are a star pupil.

This is your fourth post to me since you promised not to post in answer to me again.

By the way, this is my last post in answer to you. You are not worth debating with.

If Trump said that and then kept posting, you would no doubt call him a filthy worthless liar. Amiright?

 

[Amelia]

Well you provided the link, but you neglected to copy and past the exact alleged lie, as per the OP. You made several mistakes. Let’s start with the actual transcript of the speech, which you can see here.

Remarks by President Trump at Foxconn Facility - June 28, 2018
The Opus Building
Mount Pleasant, Wisconsin
1:14 P.M. CDT

As you can see the talk was 5166 words long. The paragraph I’m pasting below is just 106 words – about 2%, or a fiftieth, of the talk. For a better understanding read the entire transcript. The important parts are in bold:

But I handed it over, Terry — I said, “Terry, this place is such a great place.” You know, I just realized the other day, they told me — when we won the state of Wisconsin, it hadn’t been won by a Republican since Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1952. Did you know that? And I won Wisconsin. And I like Wisconsin a lot, but we won Wisconsin. (Applause.) And Ronald Reagan — remember, Wisconsin was the state that Ronald Reagan did not win. And that was in 1952. And I’ve gotten to know the people here — they’re incredible. And I said to Terry, “This would be an incredible place.”​

​

So what were your misquotes and mistakes?

1) You quoted him as saying

“hadn’t been won by a Republican c, in 1952"​

​

Instead of

“hadn’t been won by a Republican since Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1952.”​

​

2) You didn't include "they told me" which is very important.

3) You didn’t include, “And that was in 1952,” which he said immediately after saying Ronald Reagan did not win.

4) You didn’t mention Terry at all, or that this information was what somebody (most likely Terry) had told Trump.


Terry Gou is a 67 year old Taiwanese tycoon who is the founder and chairman of Foxconn. See him in Wikipedia here, and with Trump here.

So what most likely happened is that Terry Gou and Trump were touring Foxconn and Gou was telling Trump about Foxconn and Wisconsin. Terry may have told Trump in a casual way that Wisconsin hadn’t been won by a Republican since Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1952. How would that conversation have gone? Perhaps something like this:

Scene: Trump and Gou walk around Foxconn Facility.

Trump: Wow. It’s a big place. Very nice. Very innovative!
Gou: Um…[consults with assistant in Taiwanese]
Trump: It means, you know, original.
Gou: [smiles] Ahh – aboriginal? Oh, original. What is original?
Trump: Never mind – anyway, it’s a very nice place. Beautiful.
Gou: [consults with assistant] Ohh, thank you, thank you...
Trump: And Wisconsin – a very nice state. Lovely state.
Gou: Ah, yes, roverry state.
Trump: Say, did Eisenhower win Wisconsin in 1952? Is that right?
Gou: Um.. sure. [consults with assistant who looks at iPad]
Trump: I’m pretty sure that’s right.
Gou: Yes. You are right, that is correct, Eisenhowler, he win in 1952.
Trump: Yes. Did Reagan ever win it? I don’t think so.
Gou: No. I don't think so...
Trump: Great. I’ll rub that in when I give my talk later.
Gou: Lub in? [consults with assistant]
Trump: Sure. I have some fun with my enemies. Stir them up a little.
Gou: Yes. Okay. [chuckles]. Lub in.

So once again – no lie. This is what you get for reading Fake News. Now that you actually have a better idea about the whole thing, have a go at what he said again:

But I handed it over, Terry — I said, “Terry, this place is such a great place.” You know, I just realized the other day, they told me — when we won the state of Wisconsin, it hadn’t been won by a Republican since Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1952. Did you know that? And I won Wisconsin. And I like Wisconsin a lot, but we won Wisconsin. (Applause.) And Ronald Reagan — remember, Wisconsin was the state that Ronald Reagan did not win. And that was in 1952. And I’ve gotten to know the people here — they’re incredible. And I said to Terry, “This would be an incredible place.” ​

LOL @ how hard you work to find some plausible way to explain away Trump's idiocy.

And the best scenario you can come up with still makes him look foolish.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Allow me to play "trumper" here:

That was just DJT showcasing his ignorance of history - it wasn't a lie, just ignorance.

Sum Ting Wong? Is you from Taiwan too?

See post #472

 

[Kobie]

Got another one!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump...268229&ref_url=https://www.balloon-juice.com/

The Democrats are making a strong push to abolish ICE, one of the smartest, toughest and most spirited law enforcement groups of men and women that I have ever seen. I have watched ICE liberate towns from the grasp of MS-13 & clean out the toughest of situations. They are great!

This has not happened. There are no American towns that have been in the grasp of MS-13 that required "liberation." This is nonsense.

 

[Nickyjo]

This isn't about all that. It's about whether Trump lied. I answered that already - try reading:

So where is the lie? Right in the bold that you posted. Thank you for pointing that out. In another quote, he suggested those cheering were Arabs.

You can go on believing that he never lies, but even Trump would probably disagree with you at some point.

 

[distraff]

That's his opinion. See the OP. Opinions are not lies.

Right, Trump really believes the democrats want to abolish all police whatsoever. So not lying. That one is answered.

"We pay more tax than anybody in the world. We’re going to reduce taxes," Trump said Aug. 10.

So this is also just an opinion even though virtually every other developed nation has a higher tax rate than the US.

 

[Amelia]

They're not lies.

They're just empty-headed opinions from someone who was too lazy to learn the facts and too foolish to realize that someone as ignorant as he is should stay quiet so people don't realize how little he knows.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

If you're referring to the "Gish Gallop" tactic...

I had heard of it years ago but had forgotten. Thanks for the reminder.

it was named after a creationist

Why doesn’t that surprise me? Bible bashers definitely like to swamp one with their proverbs and quotes.

and is more in common use among the right than the left.

It’s funny you should say that. Most of the bible bashers I meet are Lefties. If you look at a ‘religious map’ of the world, you see that the religious nations (with the exceptions of Protestant) are the poorest, and most of them are very left winged. Most of Africa is very religious and very left winged, and the same applies to billions of other people. I find most conservatives to be quiet spoken and polite. They don’t tend to shove their religion down your neck.

It's hard to believe you're still defending such a losing argument...and yet, here you are. lol The best you can do is pretend the facts and evidence don't exist if it doesn't meet your lame criteria. So sad...and so stupid. You're only fooling yourself, u know.

That’s exactly what Scientologists say when you ask them to provide one piece of hard evidence to support their claims that we all have Thetans in us.

Larrikin: No thanks, I’m not interested.
Scientologist: Come on – you’re filled with Thetans.
Larrikin: Give me one piece of hard evidence that Thetans exist.
Scientologist: Here, read this Scientology book.
Larrikin: No, I’m not interested in a Gish Gallop tactic. Just one piece of hard evidence.
Scientologist: Here’s a truck load of books.
Larrikin: Nope. Just give me one piece of evidence.
Scientologist: Well, here’s a link to our website.
Larrikin: No thanks Gish Gallop.
Scientologist: It's hard to believe you're still defending such a losing argument.
Larrikin: You haven’t given me one…
Scientologist: The best you can do is pretend the facts and evidence don't exist
Larrikin: …single piece of…
Scientologist: So sad...and so stupid.
Larrikin: …hard evidence.
Scientologist: You're only fooling yourself, u know.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can figure out what Trump meant by raises. You, on other hand, can't seem to grasp such a simple concept. He meant raises as in pay. You ask any other person what he meant and they'd tell you the same thing. You're mental gymnastics you jump through to try to justify your claim that Trump never lies is pathetic.

No, this is beyond pathetic. This is just sad.

Why did you leave out all the other points?

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Source: Department of Defense. Are you even trying?

So if I typed “Source: The Dark Side of the Moon” my quote would obviously be from there, without question. No need to link. Well, it’s a nice philosophy, but no, that won’t work.

When did you gain the ability to hear what Trump was thinking?

It’s called reading, but it does involve thinking too. A lot of millennials don’t understand those things.

Cost of living? You realize the vast majority of E-1s with less than 4 months of pay aren't even out of AIT yet. They live in a barracks and eat at a DFAC, where the food is paid for by a meal deduction through their paycheck.

This wasn’t about how they live – it was about what they’re paid.

No it doesn't. $278 in 2007 equals $323.48 in 2015, less that $330.

You say its $6.52 more and Trump says it’s zero more. Which will I go for? A billionaire POTUS, or an anonymous Trump hating username called Jredbaron96. I think I’ll go with the billionaire POTUS – no offense.

Either way – it’s an opinion, not a lie.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Because the entire premise was bull****.

Aw, you mean you didn't like learning about Terry Gou? Is Sum Ting Wong?

 

[Rob Larrikin]

LOL @ how hard you work to find some plausible way to explain away Trump's idiocy.

And the best scenario you can come up with still makes him look foolish.

It takes work to undo a mischievous lie. You can break a piece of china in a second, but how long will it take to repair? Lefties are lazy so they lob lies about Trump rather than actually take him on honestly. They know the damage that lying about him can do, and it’s easy.

So far it hasn’t beaten Trump because there are enough people who can see through the lies, and this is mostly due to the internet and folk like AlbqOwl and LowDown, etc. In the past there was no internet and we were all held down by liberal media & force fed propaganda with no way of correcting the lies. Those days are over, and the sooner Lefties realize it the better.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Got another one!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump...268229&ref_url=https://www.balloon-juice.com/



This has not happened. There are no American towns that have been in the grasp of MS-13 that required "liberation." This is nonsense.

Trump has access to a lot more intel than you do on this subject. It's his opinion vs your opinion. You're an anonymous username called Kobie. He's the POTUS. Hmm. Let me think...


Yup. I'm going with the POTUS, no offense.


Again. No lie - opinions are a not lies. See the OP.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

So where is the lie? Right in the bold that you posted.

I know it's hard but study the following quote carefully and tell me where the lie is:

"And I watched, in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering, so something’s going on, we gotta find out what it is."

Trump says there were thousands cheering in New Jersey. My grandfather said sinners burn in hellfire. Neither were lying. Whether they are right or not is another issue.

 

[Amelia]

It takes work to undo a mischievous lie. You can break a piece of china in a second, but how long will it take to repair? Lefties are lazy so they lob lies about Trump rather than actually take him on honestly. They know the damage that lying about him can do, and it’s easy.

So far it hasn’t beaten Trump because there are enough people who can see through the lies, and this is mostly due to the internet and folk like AlbqOwl and LowDown, etc. In the past there was no internet and we were all held down by liberal media & force fed propaganda with no way of correcting the lies. Those days are over, and the sooner Lefties realize it the better.

Your best attempt to find a plausible explanation for Trump's idiotic talk still made him look lazy, ignorant and foolish.

You did all that work to polish the turd, and your best explanation still made him look bad.


There is no way to make Trump look good.

If he would shut up, maybe it would work. But as you sit here trying to give cover for the past things he has said, he's coming up with new whoppers in real time.